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Old 08-30-2016, 10:46 AM   #1301
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Killer B header looks sick guys!

Looking forward to adding the Killer B kit and having you guys retune it since the current tune is working great!

This is with the +1mm valves?
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I think this is a very interesting setup.

Derek brought in his well sorted DIT to have us retune it after having us initially etune it, dyno tune it on pump and now finally a few months later, dyno tune it with Grimmspeeds new TMIC and an AEM Water/Meth setup. Derek came out with 3 of his friends from Western, NY which is around 6 hours one way, we really appreciate when people make the trek past so many other competitors to come to us.

This car has:

Full Turboback
TGVD
EBCS
Intake
GS TMIC
AEM 5Gal water/meth

The car made crazy power. At one point it did 365/365, VERY strong for a basic FBO setup. We shifted peak torque to the right a bit to help keep the rods intact. 325WHP at 6500RPM is no joke on a DIT.

This car w/ a KillerB EWG Header / Tial gates would be an easy 380-400WHP stock turbo example, extremely impressive. The FA20 is impressing us more and more as development continues.

Check out the graph below vs his previous 93 only, stock TMIC tune and the clean install he did on the AEM meth kit!









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Old 08-30-2016, 05:12 PM   #1303
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I think this is a very interesting setup.

Derek brought in his well sorted DIT to have us retune it after having us initially etune it, dyno tune it on pump and now finally a few months later, dyno tune it with Grimmspeeds new TMIC and an AEM Water/Meth setup. Derek came out with 3 of his friends from Western, NY which is around 6 hours one way, we really appreciate when people make the trek past so many other competitors to come to us.

This car has:

Full Turboback
TGVD
EBCS
Intake
GS TMIC
AEM 5Gal water/meth

The car made crazy power. At one point it did 365/365, VERY strong for a basic FBO setup. We shifted peak torque to the right a bit to help keep the rods intact. 325WHP at 6500RPM is no joke on a DIT.

This car w/ a KillerB EWG Header / Tial gates would be an easy 380-400WHP stock turbo example, extremely impressive. The FA20 is impressing us more and more as development continues.

Check out the graph below vs his previous 93 only, stock TMIC tune and the clean install he did on the AEM meth kit!

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Pretty sweet. Any preferences in a particular meth kit Chris?
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Old 08-30-2016, 05:21 PM   #1304
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Pretty sweet. Any preferences in a particular meth kit Chris?
AEM works really well for the price, that's what we use in almost all of our builds. Our shop 997 has an AEM kit in it FWIW.

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Old 09-02-2016, 03:10 AM   #1305
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This is with the +1mm valves?

Yes sir, +1mm Supertech's just waiting to drop one

I kid I kid, but a better choice would have been Ferea I think I just figured no cams exist and I don't rev it much higher than 6700-7000 so they should be fine as I have the upgraded dual springs and associated hardware.
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Old 09-22-2016, 04:02 PM   #1306
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2017 WRX Cobb firmware released , deals as follows:

$250 E-tunes
$795 AP/E-tune combo
$949 AP/Dyno combo

Discounts are off of tuning not the AP itself. Prices are good till the end of September (9/302016)

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Old 09-23-2016, 03:25 PM   #1307
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We finally have a stock TMIC/GS TMIC comparison.

This TMIC performs very well, great upgrade for these cars. This graph is from a FBO car and has the thermal coated option. It really helps the bottom and top end while producing small gains throughout the mid range. Top end gains of 15 WHP and low end gains of 25-30WTQ were found which is immediately noticeable on the street. We will be keeping these in stock for our DIT customers.

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Old 09-23-2016, 03:38 PM   #1308
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nice! thanks for sharing Bren Tuning
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Old 09-23-2016, 03:49 PM   #1309
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Bren, have you tuned the cnt tmic?
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Old 09-23-2016, 04:56 PM   #1310
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Bren, have you tuned the cnt tmic?
Maybe? All the lower quality TMIC's perform similar, if you want quality and solid performance do GS or PW.

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Old 09-23-2016, 04:58 PM   #1311
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what were the other mods on this car? i'm assuming after the gs tmic install you did a retune?
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what were the other mods on this car? i'm assuming after the gs tmic install you did a retune?
FBO - Intake/exhaust/TGV/EBCS - This was previous protune stock TMIC and after TMIC protune.

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FBO - Intake/exhaust/TGV/EBCS - This was previous protune stock TMIC and after TMIC protune.

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thanks chris. would it be safe to insall the cs tmic without a tune?
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thanks chris. would it be safe to insall the cs tmic without a tune?
Probably would be fine but to take advantage of it I would tune it.

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Old 09-23-2016, 08:10 PM   #1315
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Maybe? All the lower quality TMIC's perform similar, if you want quality and solid performance do GS or PW.

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I know. I almost went with the gs. Looks like a great piece. (I bought their chargepipe) I was just curious with the cnt because I heard it was the same design as the avo I believe so wanted to know if you happened to have any insight/proven yay or nay on results
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We have tuned many of these remotely and the initial results and virtual dyno graphs looked promising. Based on a few upgraded turbochargers that we tested and either never came to market or were removed from the market, we were excited for a easy option that was readily available.

In comes the SteamSpeed 67 (stock location/stock manifold turbo upgrade). A few of our remote customers had installed many of these variants and the results were so-so. Most of them tuned well but some spooled extremely late and were found to have defective wastegates. After watching the symptoms get worse log after log, we realized that this wasn't a "lazy" turbo but that it had a mechanical issue. Customers then removed, warrantied and reinstalled the new unit to then again have the same wastegate problem. To date, out of the 8 we have tuned (some 67 and some 71), two of them still remain intact and perform while making excellent power, torque and spool. I'm not sure if this issue has been fixed but some of our customers were on their 2nd or 3rd actuator at one point. Like many turbos produced overseas, the wastegates tend to be a weak point. Swapping the turbo is not the greatest job either so for this test we threw out the SteamSpeed actuator and replaced it with a new Turbosmart 7PSI actuator. We did reach out to SteamSpeed a couple months ago to try to provide accurate feedback here but were not met with open arms. We would have liked to provide this data a long time ago but we didnít have any customers who wanted risk taking the plunge without solid results.

So anyways the testing goes as follows. We had a test 2016 WRX with full bolt-ons get tuned in late April. Since then the customer added a Mishimoto FMIC and we installed a SteamSpeed 67 with Turbosmart wastegate, all else is equal.

Full mod list:

Mishi J
Mishi Intake
Mishi TGV
Mishi FMIC
Nameless muffler delete
SteamSpeed 67
Turbosmart 75 7PSI Wastegate
93 Pump gas

Today we got to dive into tuning this and it was quite easy given our previous experience with them remotely. The downfall at this power level is that many DIT tuners do not fully understand what it takes to sustain 22+PSI without hitting limiters and correcting fuel pressure at 350+WHP/WTQ while keeping the motor together. It is a delicate task and when max effort tuning this turbo and especially the 71 we've tuned, it WILL max out the MAF housing and fuel system even when tuned properly. For the best results we recommend the largest intake tube one can find such as the COBB SF+ system or the "large" big turbo sized intake from ETS. The stock sized system can and will max out at this level without any tricks. Along with this you should do a DW65C as a LPFP back up resource. Anyone running an ethanol mix and high boost will find themselves at the end of the fuel system pretty quickly as well without supplementing it with a bandaid like methanol injection while fueling and 24PSI limiters are worked out.

So as far as the results go:

The car tuned previously in Late April did 306WHP/306WTQ. The same car returned today, had the turbo installed along with Turbosmart actuator and also added a Mishi FMIC prior to arrival.

We used fourth gear pulls on this car for the stock turbo dyno along with the SteamSpeed 67. Fuel in the tank was 93 octane. Using the previous mapping as a baseline, the 67 made an additional 30-35WHP off the rip in high RPMís at the identical boost setting of 18PSI, the low RPM characteristics left much to be desired on the tuning side with the larger turbo.

The SteamSpeed made power with ease, especially up top. On a conservative tune, 350WHP/350WTQ was found at 21PSI and gentle timing not hitting any fuel or MAF limitations.

We then tuned it for maximum power which results in 371WHP/360WTQ at 22PSI and more aggressive ignition. We weren't happy with the very upper gear MAF readings for long pulls and know the limitations of the motor on pump gas so we stopped there. There is more in it for sure at the expense of stressing the car out slightly which we weren't going to do on pump gas. While those raw numbers are good, to put it perspective, it is making over 85WHP/70WTQ MORE at redline than the previous map! This is an easy 400WHP car with a KillerB header on 93 octane, it will also help the low end which is where this setup will need the most help. Iím sure the 71 with the right supporting mods, meth, KillerB EWG header and aggressive tuning will get mid to high 400ís! Impressive by all means! Overall it performed well and made great strides in the stock location game. We would love to test a STX71 or add a methanol kit to a car in house so if anyone is local and interested we would love to provide the data.

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Fairly straight forward. Not super fun but not end of the world. Typical studs stripping like they do on the Jís. You want to make sure you route the oil feed line away from the header. You will also want to make sure that all your coolant/oil/wastegate lines are setup properly before installing the header, these will be next to impossible to get to without removing.



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Old 09-28-2016, 07:27 PM   #1317
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That water meth Dyno graph has me getting the itch again. Do you think an upgraded tmic is necessary when running WM?
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That water meth Dyno graph has me getting the itch again. Do you think an upgraded tmic is necessary when running WM?
It's nice to have a unit that is already fitted with a bung in it. If adding W/M your obviously hoping to max the setup, no point to leave the TMIC stock.

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hey Bren,

what kind of numbers for an e-tune with a Steam 67 or 67+ on 91 yield on stock manifold? I know that e85 will put out some nice numbers but I don't have much e85 stations out here where I live so wanted to see what numbers I can get. Right now with my protune I'm about 275hp/300tq with full bolt ons including tgv/egr deletes. thanks
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hey Bren,

what kind of numbers for an e-tune with a Steam 67 or 67+ on 91 yield on stock manifold? I know that e85 will put out some nice numbers but I don't have much e85 stations out here where I live so wanted to see what numbers I can get. Right now with my protune I'm about 275hp/300tq with full bolt ons including tgv/egr deletes. thanks
Etune on 91 would do 325-340WHP with a FBO setup I'd assume. 91 is terrible for power making.

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In comes the SteamSpeed 67 (stock location/stock manifold turbo upgrade). A few of our remote customers had installed many of these variants and the results were so-so. Most of them tuned well but some spooled extremely late and were found to have defective wastegates.

So anyways the testing goes as follows. We had a test 2016 WRX with full bolt-ons get tuned in late April. Since then the customer added a Mishimoto FMIC and we installed a SteamSpeed 67 with Turbosmart wastegate, all else is equal.

Full mod list:

Mishi J
Mishi Intake
Mishi TGV
Mishi FMIC
Nameless muffler delete
SteamSpeed 67
Turbosmart 75 7PSI Wastegate
93 Pump gas

Today we got to dive into tuning this and it was quite easy given our previous experience with them remotely. The downfall at this power level is that many DIT tuners do not fully understand what it takes to sustain 22+PSI without hitting limiters and correcting fuel pressure at 350+WHP/WTQ while keeping the motor together. It is a delicate task and when max effort tuning this turbo and especially the 71 we've tuned, it WILL max out the MAF housing and fuel system even when tuned properly. For the best results we recommend the largest intake tube one can find such as the COBB SF+ system or the "large" big turbo sized intake from ETS. The stock sized system can and will max out at this level without any tricks. Along with this you should do a DW65C as a LPFP back up resource. Anyone running an ethanol mix and high boost will find themselves at the end of the fuel system pretty quickly as well without supplementing it with a bandaid like methanol injection while fueling and 24PSI limiters are worked out.

So as far as the results go:

The car tuned previously in Late April did 306WHP/306WTQ. The same car returned today, had the turbo installed along with Turbosmart actuator and also added a Mishi FMIC prior to arrival.

We used fourth gear pulls on this car for the stock turbo dyno along with the SteamSpeed 67. Fuel in the tank was 93 octane. Using the previous mapping as a baseline, the 67 made an additional 30-35WHP off the rip in high RPMís at the identical boost setting of 18PSI, the low RPM characteristics left much to be desired on the tuning side with the larger turbo.

The SteamSpeed made power with ease, especially up top. On a conservative tune, 350WHP/350WTQ was found at 21PSI and gentle timing not hitting any fuel or MAF limitations.

We then tuned it for maximum power which results in 371WHP/360WTQ at 22PSI and more aggressive ignition. We weren't happy with the very upper gear MAF readings for long pulls and know the limitations of the motor on pump gas so we stopped there. There is more in it for sure at the expense of stressing the car out slightly which we weren't going to do on pump gas. While those raw numbers are good, to put it perspective, it is making over 85WHP/70WTQ MORE at redline than the previous map! This is an easy 400WHP car with a KillerB header on 93 octane, it will also help the low end which is where this setup will need the most help. Iím sure the 71 with the right supporting mods, meth, KillerB EWG header and aggressive tuning will get mid to high 400ís! Impressive by all means! Overall it performed well and made great strides in the stock location game. We would love to test a STX71 or add a methanol kit to a car in house so if anyone is local and interested we would love to provide the data.

Install notes:

Fairly straight forward. Not super fun but not end of the world. Typical studs stripping like they do on the Jís. You want to make sure you route the oil feed line away from the header. You will also want to make sure that all your coolant/oil/wastegate lines are setup properly before installing the header, these will be next to impossible to get to without removing.



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Hey Chris,

We were able to root cause the wastegate issues some customers had with the first batch of FA20 turbos. The actuators themselves were fine FYI, so they don't really need to be replaced with a different unit. There were two issues at play:

- One minor problem, was that the preload on the first batch was 1.2 bar, which as it turns out, a lot for the FA20. This preload caused problems for some customers. We included 0.8 bar springs in the install kits for customers to have different preloads, but most people didn't realize that was what the green spring was for. Since the first batch, the default preload is now 0.8 bar, and we include a 1.2 bar (red) spring in the install kit.

- The bigger problem was a manufacturing defect on the wastegate flapper arm. It looks like around 30% of the first batch was impacted by this defect. Note, this is the flapper arm, and not the actuator. This defect only happened after the turbine housing was fully up to temperature. Most of the time, this defect would manifest its self like a exhaust leak. As the car got hotter, the spool up would get slower. Basically the flapper would not be able to close all of the way. In rare cases, the flapper got stuck. Anyway, we have revised the actuator arm design a few months ago and validated the fix on extensive gas bench testing (with the housing up to temp). All units are shipping with the revised arm. If you have a customer with this defect, we are repairing them with new turbine housings at our expense.

In short, we have ironed out all issues that our customers encountered in the first batch, and made the adjustment to our manufacturing line so that all new products are improved. Since this customer got the replacement turbine housing, I think this result is further validation of the new revisions.

I hope that clears things up! Feel free to ping us if you have any other further questions.
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Wrong dev thread.

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Old 10-25-2016, 01:54 PM   #1324
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Does anyone have a dyno overlay of pre and post steamspeed turbo with no other mods?

I see "steamspeed and FMIC". "steamspeed and headers". "steamspeed and E85".

Is there a pre and post dyno of steamspeed on the same pump gas used before?
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Old 10-25-2016, 08:25 PM   #1325
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I do I'll post it tomorrow
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