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Old 05-15-2012, 10:21 PM   #3201
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good timing...I have Nancy tomorrow. 5 rounds of 400m run and 15 OH squats 95#.

Simply put its a problematic position for beginners to the movement. If you are anything like most males you have really tight shoulders which make a good overhead position difficult. Pvc pipe or broomstick 'dislocates' can really help as can elastic band and mobility work. Check out mobilitywod.com and search for overhead squat too. Just keep the weight very light and build up slowly. There is more than a few big strong guys at my gym that struggle with even an empty bar on OHS.
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Old 05-15-2012, 10:27 PM   #3202
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I was doing empty bar tonite and looked like an idiot.
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Old 05-15-2012, 10:35 PM   #3203
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Old 05-16-2012, 12:28 AM   #3204
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good timing...I have Nancy tomorrow. 5 rounds of 400m run and 15 OH squats 95#.

Simply put its a problematic position for beginners to the movement. If you are anything like most males you have really tight shoulders which make a good overhead position difficult. Pvc pipe or broomstick 'dislocates' can really help as can elastic band and mobility work. Check out mobilitywod.com and search for overhead squat too. Just keep the weight very light and build up slowly. There is more than a few big strong guys at my gym that struggle with even an empty bar on OHS.
This. I front squat and back squat the most weight in my gym. The OHS still eats me alive because of poor shoulder strength and flexibility.
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Old 05-16-2012, 12:43 AM   #3205
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I literally can not do an overhead squat. What the hell? My hamstrings too tight? Chest and shoulders? I can't get half way down without leaning forward. I can't figure it out.

And nice work Coop.
Ditto on the shoulder mobility and squat form check.

Most people that first attempt overhead squats, tend to go up on their toes. Just like any other squat, the weight should be in your heels. Chest should also be up. This is a huge issue at my box that goes unaddressed. I've squatted for years and knew that I had this problem but never knew a way to fix it, simply because I thought I was too stiff. Best way to keep your chest up, is to get yourself in a squatted position for an air squat and hold a 10lb or 25lb plate out in front of you. It acts as a counter balance and forces you to sit up straighter. Look out ahead of you at about a 20 degree angle and that will also help keep the chest up and back straight. Works to develop any kind of squat.

As far as shoulders are concerned, it should be a linear motion. Lockout the weight with your arms completely extended. The weight should sit over the top of your spine, which should be in line with your hips. The bar should almost hit you in the back of the head during certain points of the movement. As you squat down, the bar naturally moves away from your head, when you come all the way back up, you should almost hit yourself in the back of the head.
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Old 05-16-2012, 03:53 AM   #3206
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Also, we did some drinking at the box this weekend. Started talking about this photo that's been making the rounds on facebook.
They still bragging about torn hands? Sigh

And big traps and lats? That's new
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Old 05-16-2012, 07:49 AM   #3207
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Ohhhh, that's gonna help me so much. My shoulder mobility is horrible.
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Old 05-16-2012, 09:01 AM   #3208
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Tony - does your chest come forward on a regular squat? Can you do a wall squat?
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Old 05-16-2012, 09:10 AM   #3209
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Tony - does your chest come forward on a regular squat? Can you do a wall squat?
Yeah I good with wall squats and can sit on my heels. It's all chest and shoulder mobility that throws me forward. I can actually do ok with a stick or something with little weight. But as soon as I add anything I fall forward on my toes.
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Old 05-16-2012, 09:52 AM   #3210
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Yeah I good with wall squats and can sit on my heels. It's all chest and shoulder mobility that throws me forward. I can actually do ok with a stick or something with little weight. But as soon as I add anything I fall forward on my toes.
don't feel bad, you are not alone. i have the same exact problem and from doing some reading, it sounds like me and you are in very good company since TONS of people have the same exact issue. for now, i only do OHS with an empty bar and i try to do them as often as possible but my shoulders are still far away from where they should be so still plenty work to do.

on a side note, i know that i am still far from where i would like to be in general but i have to say that jumping on the Crossfit wagon is easily the best choice i have ever made. i have been doing it for about 6 months now and never felt better. i am back to the same weight i was when i was in the army 13 years ago and the results have been incredible. my diet is good, my health is much better (no more heartburn and i am sick way less, also no more migranes!) and overall i just feel great! Not sure why i am even posting it but i just thought about it this morning after we did Elizabeth where at the end i felt awesome!!! 6 or even 4 months ago, i would have skipped this WOD for fear that i would die and i was actually excited before i went in today.
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Old 05-16-2012, 12:06 PM   #3211
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BacDoc, run, then OHS. Like 200m sprint, 10 OHS (relatively light weight, maybe 65#?). For some reason, the running makes you have good OHS form. There is a study about why, and I posted the article a few pages back for Coop.
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Old 05-16-2012, 07:02 PM   #3212
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Well had my third run at Nancy today

5 rounds:
400m run
15 95# OHS

Feb 14, 2011: 19:20Rx
Dec 26, 2011: 17:16Rx
May 16, 2012: 15:37Rx

I would say this stuff works.
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Old 05-16-2012, 08:28 PM   #3213
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That's exactly the workout I was trying to remember to tell BacDoc to do. Works great to help groove your OHS.
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Old 05-16-2012, 08:46 PM   #3214
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Yeah OHS definitely get better as you go and get more loose.
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Old 05-18-2012, 10:19 AM   #3215
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Three rounds for time of:
15 foot Rope climb, 5 ascents
185/135 pound Back squat, 25 reps

did that yesterday, but did 155# front squats instead of back squats due to shoulders, and did 25 strict pullups per round instead of rope climbs(rope climbs are hell on my shoulders). Took me a touch over 30 minutes, which I felt for me was somewhat slow, but this was a workout in mental toughness a little more than physical. I cant walk today...lol. It didnt help that on Wednesday, I was on a search and rescue in some pretty rough mountainous terrain all day. My legs were already exhausted.
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Old 05-18-2012, 10:24 AM   #3216
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I saw that one and I love both movements. Sets of 25 sounds like hell. Maybe I'll try it on Sunday.
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Old 05-18-2012, 10:43 AM   #3217
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I don't do rope climbs, and it pisses the coaches off to no end

Coach: "Going Rx, right?"
Me: "Nope, what's the sub for climbs?"
Don't you have rope climbs?
Yep, but I'm not doing them. I don't like them, and there's no point.
You should do them if you have them.
No thanks, what's the sub.


Now, why don't I do them?
We only have 4" thick mats at our gym, and I'm not a fan of falling on concrete.
When I do them, I get rope burn on my leg, and then have to wear boots that perfectly rub on that every day.
Our ropes only go to 24" from the ceiling, then there's rafters - and the gym's ROM says you have to touch the ceiling, so go up, hold rope, reach around rafter (which is right in your face) and find ceiling. Recipe for falling, IMO, as we also have the slick nylon ropes and not hemp/sisal ones.
If I fall and say, break an ankle, it's not like I can just go to work on crutches like someone with a desk job. I need to be able to walk/run etc, or I get to burn my hard earned sick leave and sit at home waiting to heal, hoping I don't run out of time before I heal well enough to be able to return to full duty.

CN: suck it, rope climbs.
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Old 05-18-2012, 10:47 AM   #3218
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I'm like a monkey on em now.
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Old 05-18-2012, 10:49 AM   #3219
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I like doing them, but my shoulders have never agreed with them. I hated them at first when I would try to just pull all the way instead of using the feet, but once I learned how to use my feet, they werent bad. it's weird how rope climbs take very little strength.....it's almost all technique.
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Old 05-18-2012, 10:53 AM   #3220
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I know how to do them, had to learn them in the police academy 12 years ago...where I HAD to do them. And was covered under worker's comp if I busted my ass doing them.

When I do them, my grip is my weakness, as Shana seems to love programming bar or dumbbell stuff with them, so you can barely hold your d*** to piss afterwards And that's what scares me, weakened grip, 12' off the concrete, scared to death of heights...no thanks
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Old 05-18-2012, 05:01 PM   #3221
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For our rope climbs we have solid rubber mats, I assume to prevent damage to the concrete.
They're not something I do either.

Went between hours with Sara and did the wod all by myself today.

"saving private sandbag"
3 Rounds for time.
400m 100lb sandbag carry
15 HSPU
50 double unders.

I wasn't rushing at all, the 400m took around 5 minutes walking.
HSPU I can just start to do..
and double unders... I can just start to do.

42:42 going 12:42 past the cutoff time.. those were some fun walks in the sun.
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We did this one today for fun...but man did it suck...my triceps locked up a few times.

Chester Chesterson

2 rounds for time of:
***8226; 25 - release push-ups
***8226; 25 - elevated push-ups
***8226; 25 - dips
***8226; 25 - alternating fist & fingertip push-ups

Then:

***8226; 95lb bench press to fatigue
***8226; 45lb dumbbell press to fatigue
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Old 05-20-2012, 04:35 PM   #3223
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I also had to do the rope climbs in my academy. Never have learned how or developed the proper muscle strength to get up the stupid thing without using my feet. I've got the same concerns at this stage in my life -- old enough that if I fall, I WILL break something and too old to care about doing a WOD with rope climbs RX'd.
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Old 05-20-2012, 05:32 PM   #3224
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I don't do rope climbs, and it pisses the coaches off to no end

Coach: "Going Rx, right?"
Me: "Nope, what's the sub for climbs?"
Don't you have rope climbs?
Yep, but I'm not doing them. I don't like them, and there's no point.
You should do them if you have them.
No thanks, what's the sub.


Now, why don't I do them?
We only have 4" thick mats at our gym, and I'm not a fan of falling on concrete.
When I do them, I get rope burn on my leg, and then have to wear boots that perfectly rub on that every day.
Our ropes only go to 24" from the ceiling, then there's rafters - and the gym's ROM says you have to touch the ceiling, so go up, hold rope, reach around rafter (which is right in your face) and find ceiling. Recipe for falling, IMO, as we also have the slick nylon ropes and not hemp/sisal ones.
If I fall and say, break an ankle, it's not like I can just go to work on crutches like someone with a desk job. I need to be able to walk/run etc, or I get to burn my hard earned sick leave and sit at home waiting to heal, hoping I don't run out of time before I heal well enough to be able to return to full duty.

CN: suck it, rope climbs.
Could always go to work in a wheelchair.

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Could always go to work in a wheelchair.
Ask HPIRally how that worked out...
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