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Old 04-28-2006, 07:34 AM   #1
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Default Gov. Corzine: Lower Speed Limit, Self-Serve Fuel

Just heard this on FOX News, Governor Corzine is considering making NJ gas pumps self-serve like the rest of the country to try to lower fuel prices. The trade off is to lower speed limits back to 55mph so drivers don't consume too much fuel.


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Old 04-28-2006, 07:42 AM   #2
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who does the 65 mph speed limit anyway? all that's gonna do is make people get more tickets
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Old 04-28-2006, 07:45 AM   #3
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Just heard Gerheart (spelling?) talk 'bout this on 101.5FM as well.
It's amazing how our gov't always wants to do everything against what the people want....or need.
Tons of reasons against self-serve stations, yet they "think" otherwise.
...........and 55MPH speed limit?

Watch - they'll do it, under the pretext of "saving fuel."
What will really happen is that people will still have to drive the normal 65-80MPH - otherwise the highways will come to a screaching hault.
SO why lower the speed limit?
Tell the masses it will save gas, let them drive their regular 70 speeds............then start writing speeding tickets left and right!

.....I can just see Parkway or Trnpk "working out well" at 55MPH Monday through Friday.
Thank you NJ!
We f...........ing love you.

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Old 04-28-2006, 08:08 AM   #4
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Full serve gas in NJ generally costs less than self-service in other states.

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Old 04-28-2006, 08:13 AM   #5
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Full serve gas in NJ generally costs less than self-service in other states.

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Yessir, it does. A reporter last night said that it would save about 6c. a gallon, but it would probably just be absobed within 2 weeks anyway.

CNs: Corzine is a ****ing *******.
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Old 04-28-2006, 09:19 AM   #6
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If we want to save money on gas, all we have to do is lower the tax on gas. I don't see this happening (where will this revenue come from then?). I say we just increase the taxes based on fuel comsumption in new vehicles. If no one wants the speed limits lower, then why bother? I honestly believe politicians are just "bored"...
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Old 04-28-2006, 09:23 AM   #7
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arent most modern cars designed to be MOST fuel efficient at 65mph? isnt that what the entire testing method for MPG is based on? changing the speed limit could actually HURT your mileage.

and self serve pumps is a good idea, but can you imagine how long it would take some people to adjust and all the spills we'd have. not to mention all the lost jobs would probably end up costing us more in welfare tax than it does at the pump. :/

IIRC our gas is much cheaper than CT NY etc because of the tax on the turnpike/parkway subsidizes the gas tax. that and we have a buttload of gas Co's docking in at newark and storing their gas in linden/newark
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Old 04-28-2006, 09:39 AM   #8
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NJ has the cheapest gas around even with full service.
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Old 04-28-2006, 09:41 AM   #9
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I can't stand Corzine. He's all about doing whatever he wants to do, not what the people want him to do.
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Old 04-28-2006, 09:53 AM   #10
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i like the idea of self serve. not so much the savings but gas attendants always tend to spill gas on the rear quarter panel.

but our bright governor is a wise man. let's see, decrease the speed limit and write more $200 speeding tickets........ great solution!
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Old 04-28-2006, 10:23 AM   #11
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Is there no critical independent thought left in any part of the population that participate on internet forums?

Besides the fallacious arguments (presented in other threads) that full sevice saves on insurance providing lower gas prices and all the other reasons that various threads have provided in this forum over the months and years as to why NJ gas is cheaper maybe it is time to consider real factors that affect price differences between states.

August 2005 All State and Federal Taxes per gallon (in cents):

NJ 32.9
CT 53.9
NY 62.9
PA 49.5
DE 41.4
MD 41.9

"full service gas in NJ costs less than self serve in other states" - well dah! its the lowest total taxes in the US except Wyoming & Alaska. And NY is the highest.



It is harder to find information on gasoline delivery logistical differences among areas particularly the wholesale price impact but I am sure they also contribute to locale differences in pricing.

The largest and primary factor of cost in gasoline pump price is the cost of the actual product - overhead is an insignificant factor in the final price after it is spread against the volume of fuel sold. This is especially true considering competition at the retail level eliminates the ability to include uncompetitive overhead in the pricing.

Self-service likely wouldn't affect price at the pump significantly - but it would keep people unemployable in any other line of work away from my car.

And where did all these people all of sudden come from against Cortizone? Did any of them vote in November? How the heck was he elected? I voted and it wasn't for Cortizone.

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Old 04-28-2006, 12:34 PM   #12
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Get rid of gas station attendants.... lose 6c, so state can tax 6 more cents.

Lower speed limit to 55..... state troopers have a field day. I don't think I could ever see route 80/most of route 287 go back to 55.

Another wonderful idea to fix our state budget?
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Old 04-28-2006, 12:43 PM   #13
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this once again shows that no matter who the politician, Democrat or Republican, they will **** you up the ass as much as they can. the self-serve I like, because I grew up in Brooklyn and I don't like the idea of some schmuck messing around with my car. as for the speeding limit, I believe they'll do it--after all, it's good for them because all the local staties can up their revenues in tickets. this is how upstate NY towns have been living for years.
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Old 04-28-2006, 12:52 PM   #14
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Why does their need to be a trade-off? Having a 65mph speed limit and having self-serve gas are not mutually exclusive. Changing the speed limit is really just a major inconvenience to everyone. If they did lower the speed limits, I'm sure they'd continue the practice of doubling fines as they do know over 65. I don't even want to think what the state workers who would change the signs would get paid. It's just another government knee-jerk reaction to escalading gas prices.

the NJ Department of Transportation is a joke. my favorite initiative of theirs is the "Safe Corridor" BS they came up with a few years back. Let's take the areas with most congestion and most accidents, give it a cute name and double the fines in that area...brilliant!

I voted last Nov. and it wasn't for corzine.
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Old 04-28-2006, 01:24 PM   #15
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corzine is not doin well, besides gas, he's also guna make my life worse by cutting my schools budget (rutgers nb) by 114 Mil


this is out of control now, im almost 20 and am planing to be in debt until i die now ha
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Old 04-28-2006, 01:50 PM   #16
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Corzine needs to get his facts straight about speed and fuel consumption...

Lowering the speed limit is not going to reduce fuel consumption, especially when optimal fuel consumption isn't 55 in most cars.

What needs to be done... get rid of tolls, and do what is needed to reduce traffic. It's stop and go traffic that eats fuel. Coasting at 70mph is great... stopping on the GS parkway for 5 min, then accelerating to 35mph, then stopping and waiting again kills fuel economy...
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Old 04-28-2006, 02:01 PM   #17
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I think the new NJ law should be mandatory shutting off your engine while going downhill.

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Old 04-28-2006, 02:19 PM   #18
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And where did all these people all of sudden come from against Cortizone? Did any of them vote in November? How the heck was he elected? I voted and it wasn't for Cortizone.
I just moved here from NY (was in MI previous to that).

What's your (not you, turboICE) excuse?
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Old 04-28-2006, 02:49 PM   #19
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I think the new NJ law should be mandatory shutting off your engine while going downhill.
Which would waste more gas starting and shutting off your engine rather than letting it drop to an idle rpm while coasting... Another great idea there.

I agree that traffic is probably the worst thing for gas consumption but getting rid of tolls is not going to change that, nor is dropping the speed limit. I, for one, believe that increased annual driver's education is what will aid the traffic problem.

As for gas consumption, the oil companies are going to shove it in you no matter what you do, short of coming through with hydrogen cells, we're at their mercy. It isn't the tax that is killing us, its the cost of the oil and the manufacturing process to get it to gasoline.
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Old 04-28-2006, 03:06 PM   #20
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So, would you give up the ability to drive yourself if we ever got those computer controlled cars that would all cruise at 75 and figure out traffic yourself? That would help traffic but take away the fun of driving.

I don't understand why more people don't use their cruise control. Isn't keeping a constant speed probably the best way to cruise on the highway??
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Old 04-28-2006, 03:59 PM   #21
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Didn't Bob Menendez propose a temporary tax relief from june-august...I heard that earlier this week...suprised haven't heard much afterwards
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Old 04-28-2006, 04:07 PM   #22
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self serve? GOOD. Now I won't get hte wrong gas.
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Old 04-28-2006, 04:37 PM   #23
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Well, gee, howsabout this idea:

Why don't we encourage businesses to do more to promote telecommuting to save gas?

I commute 125 miles round trip per day. That's a tick over 5 gallons *per day* that I use. My job is one I don't need to be in an office for, I can (and do on occasion already) work from home, and everything is fine.

I've been working now for 5 years in jobs where 90-95% of my department DO NOT NEED TO DRIVE TO AN OFFICE EVERYDAY.

So, let's see... I know of 500 people here, in this building alone, who, by their job functions, can do all of their work without having to commute in, sit in a cubicle for 8 hours, and commute home. I also know from the companies I've been at over the past few years, that they are all in the same situation.

I know I'm one of the extremes for commuting, most people are within 75 miles round trip (yes, 50 miles does make a big difference). However, if you do the math, it adds up to a helluva lot of gas, and wasted time sitting on a higway in stop and go traffic trying to get to work and back home everyday.

But, I have upper management who won't give into common sense, they obviously have none, and bristle at the idea of not having people sitting here where they can watch over them like hawks and control them like the lemmings they think they are.

Freaking common sense, people...

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Old 04-28-2006, 04:39 PM   #24
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shtuting off your engine while going downhill would also kill your power steering and vacuum assisted brakes.. if that was a sarcastic joke you need to learn emoticons, if not... woah.
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shtuting off your engine while going downhill would also kill your power steering and vacuum assisted brakes.. if that was a sarcastic joke you need to learn emoticons, if not... woah.
And you would of added that leaving the car in gear and completely staying off throttle uses close to no gas at all.
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