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#601 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 159474
Join Date: Sep 2007
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Location: Whitinsville, MA
Vehicle:2017 Impreza Sport Lithium Red - OLDKID |
![]() November, I'd say, although everything's revealed online now, so there's no rush to reveal. They could wait until December or even January.
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#602 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 504432
Join Date: Jul 2019
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#603 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 492327
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: A car lounge in the midwest
Vehicle:19 WRX 16 STI 17Golf-R 16FiST 20Supra |
![]() ^ That is very true..
Kind of like school for little kids these days.. bar set very low. |
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#604 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 177235
Join Date: Apr 2008
Chapter/Region:
NWIC
Location: Washington
Vehicle:2016 Focus RS 2002 WRX Wagon |
![]() For me a good street car is all about feeling fast. If you***8217;re busy dancing your feet, moving your hands, and hearing an engine scream as the car darts around it doesn***8217;t matter how fast you***8217;re actually going. That***8217;s fun! Who cares if there***8217;s a minivan on your bumper the whole time?
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#605 | |
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Member#: 128484
Join Date: Oct 2006
Chapter/Region:
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Location: Germany
Vehicle:2006 EDM WRX STI WRB |
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#606 | |
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#607 | |
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Member#: 94408
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Location: Canada
Vehicle:17 STI Sport-Tech 20 Corolla Hybrid Premium |
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Getting a turbo means adding things people would complain about... it will cost more, and it will weigh more. Both things people don’t want, and was never meant for the twins. And sure, it can be argued it costs a lot right now, but it would be priced even higher with a turbo. No question there. Personally I think the 86/brz sits where it’s supposed to be... not a 0-60 muscle car champ, or Z/supra fighter, but more on the miata-ish side of things as a back-to-basics handling car... Just get rid of the power dip. |
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#608 | |
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#609 |
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Member#: 67807
Join Date: Aug 2004
Chapter/Region:
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Location: por\\and
Vehicle:V^V justrememberall capswhenuspellyomansname |
![]() Lower the car to scrape height and use canvas and plastic zipper doors. Feel of the fast.
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#610 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 1654
Join Date: Jun 2000
Chapter/Region:
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Location: Seattle, WA, USA
Vehicle:2019 GoCycle GX MV Agusta Brutale S |
![]() if it looks good enough and handles fairly well, I'll pick up a cheap automatic version in a few years and swap Tesla powertrain stuff into it.
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#611 |
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Member#: 94408
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Location: Canada
Vehicle:17 STI Sport-Tech 20 Corolla Hybrid Premium |
![]() I agree with getting it as fast as a miata for sure. I think solving the torque dip issue, playing with gearing a little, and/or shaving a few pounds can do it. That’s very reasonable and doesn’t need a turbo.
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#612 | |
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A properly sorted NA BRZ with a high revving 2.4 would be really cool too - assuming it’s was properly sorted. The 2.4 is 20% larger than the 2.0 so if torque and hp scaled it would be around 185 ft-lb/245hp. From all the leaked info it looks like they’re going for more torque than HP, so we might see 220/220 or something like that. That would make a huge difference from the current piddling torque. |
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#613 | |
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Member#: 177235
Join Date: Apr 2008
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Location: Washington
Vehicle:2016 Focus RS 2002 WRX Wagon |
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#614 | |
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Member#: 7887
Join Date: Jun 2001
Vehicle:2016 Red Car 2019 Blue Car |
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Not requiring a 2-3 shift would probably match the Miata 0-60. I don’t want longer gears, though. |
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#615 |
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Member#: 94408
Join Date: Aug 2005
Chapter/Region:
E. Canada
Location: Canada
Vehicle:17 STI Sport-Tech 20 Corolla Hybrid Premium |
![]() I always thought having 200+ hp in a car that light was enough. It was the torque that could’ve always used the bigger bump (and no dip) to give that get-up-and-go feeling everyone looks to a turbo for.
Though for NA fours, the scaling wouldn’t really get as high as 245hp. It reaches a plateau because 4-cylinders and NA. That said, a high revving NA 2.4 with slightly more hp than now, giving a bigger bump of torque closer to 200 lb-ft would be more than enough if weight was kept somewhat similar, imo. Costs would remain similar too, and the tossable feel of light weight will still be there. More speculation for quite a while before we know for sure though... |
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#616 |
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Member#: 94408
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Location: Canada
Vehicle:17 STI Sport-Tech 20 Corolla Hybrid Premium |
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#617 | |
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Member#: 115480
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Clearwater, FL
Vehicle:2014 Mazda3 sGT Soul Red |
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#618 | |
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Member#: 73805
Join Date: Nov 2004
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#619 |
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Member#: 7887
Join Date: Jun 2001
Vehicle:2016 Red Car 2019 Blue Car |
![]() Toyota doesn’t have a small, light RWD “TNGA” platform in existence. They don’t have a need because the smallest FR vehicles they build are the 3500lbs Lexus IS* and BOF Tacoma. I was highly suspect of those initial reports because of this fact. Yes, TNGA generically means modular, like how they put the rear of the TNGA-C on the GR Yaris’s TNGA-B platform, but they didn’t completely change the direction of the engine in the chassis.
* Also note the redesigned 2021 IS didn’t move to the TNGA-N platform; it is carryover of the old N platform. Dying segments don’t get new platforms these days. ![]() Can we also get over this idea that an entire new platform is required with every model cycle? You can still make substantial changes to stiffness, ride quality, and build quality without throwing out the entire design. Fix the lack of refinement: low/mid engine speeds, general interior materials, and the suspension that was easily, unintentionally unsettled. Add some adhesives around the cabin for stiffness and undesirable-noise reduction. Add more low weight, high strength materials around the suspension pickups and cabin. Improve suspension components (less stamped steel carryover from the Impreza). Last edited by quentinberg007; 09-21-2020 at 09:40 AM. |
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#620 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 159474
Join Date: Sep 2007
Chapter/Region:
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Location: Whitinsville, MA
Vehicle:2017 Impreza Sport Lithium Red - OLDKID |
![]() Agreed. I'm totally fine with them continuing with the current platform. It works well and can just be improved upon. It's not even 10 years old at this point. Look what Subaru did with the 2012 Impreza for the VA WRX. Lots of strategic reinforcement points and implementation of what they learned from developing The Twins.
And I'm still against turbocharging. Just give the engine a nice curve and you're good to go. |
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#621 |
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Member#: 492327
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: A car lounge in the midwest
Vehicle:19 WRX 16 STI 17Golf-R 16FiST 20Supra |
![]() I think the new 86/BRZ styling is good. It looks 10x better than the 400Z for sure. If between the Z vs 86/BRZ, I'd lean more towards the 86/BRZ even if the power is like half of the 400Z.
Especially for someone that already has a fast car, I think the 86/BRZ can do well as an addition. |
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#622 |
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Member#: 48025
Join Date: Nov 2003
Chapter/Region:
NESIC
Location: By the Ocean, MA
Vehicle:2021 Type R CW |
![]() Old news about it not being a turbo car, car websites love to clickbait about this subject.
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#623 |
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Member#: 128484
Join Date: Oct 2006
Chapter/Region:
International
Location: Germany
Vehicle:2006 EDM WRX STI WRB |
![]() it´s torquenews so don´t believe anything
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#624 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 194216
Join Date: Nov 2008
Chapter/Region:
W. Canada
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Vehicle:2020 X3M Competition |
![]() That article was hilarious. It's like up until recently they actually believed the next gen would be on a toyota platform with a turbo engine despite all news of late to the contrary. I like that it's a horror for the 2nd gen to be on the same platform as the first one when Nissan's new Z car is also a re-skin rolling on an even older platform. At the end of the day enthusiasts should be happy that vehicles like this are still available. At least the styling on this car is fairly attractive as IMO it looks better than the new Z car.
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#625 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 65133
Join Date: Jun 2004
Chapter/Region:
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Location: Seattle
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It seems like it would be less R&D for a front mount setup turbo setup compared to a high output 2.4 NA. Odd choices... I understand keeping enough space from stomping near Supra performance. I think the 4 banger supra should have more HP, not exist, or not have the BRZ exist. The new BRZ is going to get stomped by the ND Miata and its a shame as there were parts bin engines that could have made this car special. Last edited by wrxsubaru; 09-21-2020 at 03:32 PM. |
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