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Old 04-25-2019, 09:12 AM   #276
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Good. Screw all these new garbage street circuits. I realize they're playing the numbers game and trying to bring the races to the people rather than trying to get people out to racetracks but the temporary tracks are trash and so is the racing.
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Old 04-25-2019, 10:32 AM   #277
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and again

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Old 04-25-2019, 12:29 PM   #278
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Good Riddings to a street circuit in Miami.

I'm just dumbfounded by the economics. How is it better to build a new circuit in Miami than to host a race at one of the many world class tracks that already exist in the US? Sonoma, Laguna Seca, Watkins Glenn, etc. Oh wait, F1 doesnt seem to care about the quality of racing, they just want some Banana Republic government to give them a gigantic bag of cash
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Old 04-25-2019, 12:31 PM   #279
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Leguna Seca is a great track, but not for F1
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Old 04-25-2019, 12:40 PM   #280
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Good Riddings to a street circuit in Miami.

I'm just dumbfounded by the economics. How is it better to build a new circuit in Miami than to host a race at one of the many world class tracks that already exist in the US? Sonoma, Laguna Seca, Watkins Glenn, etc. Oh wait, F1 doesnt seem to care about the quality of racing, they just want some Banana Republic government to give them a gigantic bag of cash
Weather stability and reachability would be my guess. Laguna Seca would never work in terms of noise compatibility or track size. Most US tracks of sufficient length are in areas where the weather isn't stable enough for F1 or reachable logistically.
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Old 04-25-2019, 04:27 PM   #281
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Bring it back to Long Beach. It's not a very good show, but the street circuit is still in regular use by other series, so the infrastructure is there, the weather is fine, and races bring in a lot of money to the city - business owners seem to be happy with it.
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Old 04-25-2019, 06:58 PM   #282
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Good Riddings to a street circuit in Miami.

I'm just dumbfounded by the economics. How is it better to build a new circuit in Miami than to host a race at one of the many world class tracks that already exist in the US? Sonoma, Laguna Seca, Watkins Glenn, etc. Oh wait, F1 doesnt seem to care about the quality of racing, they just want some Banana Republic government to give them a gigantic bag of cash
None of those come close to modern F1 safety standards or vehicle dynamics. Other than an infield/oval, I can't think of a single track in the US that could host a new race, surprisingly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s#Road_courses

Which I guess is another reason they're constantly trying to make NYC/Miami/Vegas happen. But it's surprising for such a humongous country with such wealth and automotive history.
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Old 04-25-2019, 11:43 PM   #283
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I'm glad Miami is dead. Long Beach would also be horrible.
I get that none of the current American tracks are up to holding an F1 event. Building a track outside of Miami will only lead to another flat uninspiring show piece with boring racing.
I believe part if the problem is the revenue sharing with tracks. As unbalanced as it is reported to be there is little motivation to update a track or build a new one.
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Old 04-26-2019, 12:16 PM   #284
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good job Baku
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Why do they think we need a second US F1 race? I think COTA is awesome, what's the problem with just having that? Other countries have many race tracks too, and we still only go to one of those in the schedule - German GP, Japan GP, etc.
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Old 04-26-2019, 08:00 PM   #286
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Weather stability and reachability would be my guess. Laguna Seca would never work in terms of noise compatibility or track size. Most US tracks of sufficient length are in areas where the weather isn't stable enough for F1 or reachable logistically.
Laguna Seca is a grade 2 FIA track. Its 2.2ish miles which is longer than some F1 tracks. I believe they get 4 "loud" days per year and right now i'm not sure that they use all of them. The Monterey area probably doesnt have enough hotel space, but honestly if NASCAR and Indy can run there it has to be pretty close to safe enough and have enough capacity.

I have to say I really have a hard time understanding how Laguna Seca or Sonoma is less safe than any of the road courses currently run but F1.
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Sorry, by "track size" I mean the actual .. compound? complex? It's too isolated for an event the size of an F1 race. There just isn't enough there. It'd be like building an entire temporary city.

4 "loud" days per year wouldn't be enough to satisfy a single F1 race. They're generally running F2 and such as well, and you have 3 days minimum with cars running, but I don't k now how many days of operation it takes them to actually build and tear down the event. It'd be more than 4 for sure just moving all the gear in and out.
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Old 04-27-2019, 10:02 AM   #288
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Leclerc really needed to bail on that corner.
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Old 04-27-2019, 11:05 AM   #289
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Is it wrong that I am enjoying qualy more than the races.
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Old 04-27-2019, 12:31 PM   #290
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The grid:

Pos Driver Team
1 Bottas Mercedes
2 Hamilton Mercedes
3 Vettel Ferrari
4 Verstappen Red Bull
5 Perez Racing Point
6 Kvyat Toro Rosso
7 Norris McLaren
8 Giovinazzi Alfa Romeo
9 Raikkonen Alfa Romeo
10 Leclerc Ferrari
11 Sainz McLaren
12 Ricciardo Renault
13 Albon Toro Rosso
14 Magnussen Haas
15 Gasly Red Bull
16 Stroll Racing Point
17 Grosjean Haas
18 Hulkenberg Renault
19 Russell Williams
20 Kubica Williams

Ferrari dominates practice and can't get pole.
Haas still having issues.
Perez starts 5th, Stroll 16th
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canīt see any domination by Ferrari; Mercedes just did not dial up to eleven in free practice, party mode only in Qualifying and sometimes in the race
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Old 04-28-2019, 10:30 AM   #292
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Very good showing by Racing Point and I'm glad to see McClaren emerging from the doldrums.

I think Red Bull could be the challenger for Mercedes not Ferrari, if Ferrari doesn't sort itself out.

Edit, And Hass is once again lost. Can someone help explain it to me. They keep commenting on inability to hear the tires up.
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Old 04-28-2019, 11:28 AM   #293
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Ferrari pit strategy is ****ing terrible....Leclerc should have been on a 2 pitstop strategy. MED-MED-SOFT.

They should have made that call at lap 11 when the people ahead came in early. At that point if aiming for 20 laps instead of 30+ the quicker lap times would have meant that he'd have track position to be challenging for the win.

Ferrari deserves the scraps they are picking up right now
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Old 04-28-2019, 02:54 PM   #294
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^^agreed

Mercedes is doing a perfect job, they deserve every victory, but when I hear Toto Wolff sandbagging again I will do things to him that are highly unethical even in North Korea
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Yep, can't fault them for being so freaking good. Even in quali, their dummy practice starts to not give a tow and to pick one up by being last was freaking brilliant and so obvious in retrospect. They are just a top notch operation from the top down. Engine, car, drivers, management, mechanics, execution. They're perpetual champions.

And I'm ****ing sick of it.
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Why Ferrari waited until Leclerc got passed by both Mercs is beyond me.
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When asked whether Leclerc could have been brought in for fresh tyres earlier, team boss Mattia Binotto said: "Certainly, maybe yes, it could have been a different gamble, maybe stopping earlier on those tyres or trying to last very long on the medium. But you may always discuss different solutions at the end of the race looking back. But overall what we did was nothing wrong, let's say."

Binotto said the race was complicated by Leclerc starting down the order after his qualifying error.

"Yesterday I think we got a good car for quali. Potentially we could have been on pole. We didn't.

"And I think that the races are certainly a different matter. The reason of it is a different day as first. I think that being in front or staying behind, it is quite different to manage your pace, your tyres. When you have got fresh or clean air certainly it is a lot easier, so I think that our pace as well today has been as well affected by our position on the grid, at the start, but not only that -- certainly the others are very strong and we are facing a very strong competition."

Leclerc said he refused to get carried away with his pace compared to the others in the early stage of the race as he knew how the strategies were likely to play out.

"Well obviously in the car you are always optimistic, otherwise you lose hope and it's not good. Obviously you always hope for something better, but also realistically we were on a different strategy, so it was not meaning anything at that stage of the race. I knew the race would be very long and I just focused on myself to be as quick as possible on this medium run."

He also echoed the sentiments of his boss about how costly his error on Saturday was to Ferrari's chances and said he had given up hope of catching the leaders after his first stop.

"I think a lot of people thought we were struggling, which I don't think we were. because I just didn't push to try and close the gap. I asked on the radio pretty early in this run whether there was any possibility to come back to the guys in front, and the answer was no because the gap was too big. From that moment onwards it was just about trying to keep the tyres and try to push for the fastest lap when I had the opportunity to do so.
blah blah blah...

They should have 2 stopped (or in the least brought him onto the same strategy as everyone else) and given him a fighting chance. The clearly f'ed up because they wanted no chance whatsoever of him challenging Vettel.

Heck at some point AWS was giving %ages of the pass on him.
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It just feels like Ferrari gets locked into a strategy before the race and can't deviate based on what's happening on track. That's bad enough but if they are the same way throughout the team it will mean big problems down the road.
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Old 04-30-2019, 02:38 AM   #299
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Ferrari's "strategy" has been a problem for quite a while already IMO. Seems the only way they can win is if the other teams **** up more (naturally) and/or have something happen to their cars. Which are things that rarely happen with the M-B Silver Arrows team. Give the RB cars a better power unit and watch Ferrari become a consistent midfield team.
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Why Ferrari waited until Leclerc got passed by both Mercs is beyond me.
Probably hoped he could hold them up a little bit and give Vettel a fighting chance to be less than 10 seconds behind when they crossed the finish line.

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blah blah blah...

They should have 2 stopped (or in the least brought him onto the same strategy as everyone else) and given him a fighting chance. The clearly f'ed up because they wanted no chance whatsoever of him challenging Vettel.

Heck at some point AWS was giving %ages of the pass on him.
Yeah. As soon as they recognized that he was faster on the medium than anyone on the soft they should have told him to push hard and done a 2 stop for a second medium and then a soft.
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