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Old 01-05-2017, 12:52 PM   #51
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Kind of like the bump from the '08-10 to the '12-14 model, the styling on this refresh and the updates and upgrades make you want to dump the '15-17 to get this!

Love the new styling cues. The aesthetic is much more aggressive as they should be. Wheels, brakes, and suspension package make this a more value added vehicle. Once again, tock is better than tick, and gives early adopters envy.
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Old 01-05-2017, 01:01 PM   #52
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Some new colors would or will be nice.
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Old 01-05-2017, 01:04 PM   #53
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Well, my car (2015 STi Base) is almost 3 years old, I have equity in it, the new car has 6 piston brakes vs the 4 piston brakes I have, Cross drilled rotors, new front fascia, new headlights, new display, Touch Screen (optional nav), Actual recaro power seats vs my STi manual seats, rear arm rest, 19" wheels vs 18" wheels, LED Daytime Running Lamps and a few more intangibles i probably forgot to list.

Basically, its a better version than what I currently have. If I can get the new one, have the same payment or lower for less time, then why not?
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Uhh... you realize that even though your payment pays the same, you are still going to pay a substantial amount to upgrade, right? Let's strip away the financing to make it simple:

For example, you paid $36k for your 2015. It's now worth $29k on trade. You pay 37k for a 2017 STI (there will probably be a small price bump). Guess what? you paid $8k to upgrade. Financing just hides the true cost from you. If the upgrades are worth $8k to you, then fine, but don't pretend like it's free.
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Old 01-05-2017, 01:08 PM   #54
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from an old 08 sti owner that was a possible new sti buyer.

Finally Recaro seats! Only took 15 years!!!! I remember going to track days and being sore on my left arm from having to prop myself up because of the crappy lateral seat support. Great 6 pot brake upgrade. Wheel upgrade or downgrade depending on what you like. (i do not care about having 19 inch wheels prefer 18 inch)
media upgrade, headlight upgrade.
Possible downgrade on the transmission dccd. (will see when out) Transmission is the one thing that did not need to be touched for eternity... loved sti transmission(just add front camber to sti and manners improved.)
Great new roof rack attachments to make up for not having a hatch...
'still same ol ej engine... how long they going to keep it?!

Why did they just not release hatch also?!
Wanted to buy sti...

Just bought a focus rs two days ago and after seeing updates wish I would have known but still think it would have not changed my mind.
Got gray rs slightly below msrp (which I hear is rare still) had a few options I did not need or want like a moonroof( but came with deal on car)

Wanted new engine (rs engine is a gem compared to ej)
wanted connectivity has android and apple car play
wanted hatch for utility over having to put surfboards and other items on roof when you have stroller ect in back.

a bunch of new 2017 focus rs just landed in us. Do not know if dumb dealer mark up on them is going to last.
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Old 01-05-2017, 01:14 PM   #55
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So, the seats have the Focus RS Recaro backs with the current seat's non-existent bolster bottoms... Heading in the right direction I guess?

The top screen is exactly what I hoped would've been in my '17 considering the same model year impreza has it.

And those brakes are perfect! 6-pistons, drilled and yummy yellow paint! I didn't like the understated black paint of the '15-'17 brembos. I wonder if they're the same measurements still and can be a direct swap... Just wondering. Not that I would do it, since it'll cost an arm and a leg.

245/35/19 are a little weird and silly though... there's the weight issue first. And getting wider tires/wheels gets into some odd sidewall measurements. ie. either rubber band tires or thick sidewall prone to more flex than the current gen's measurements.

Overall, pretty nice refresh including the new bumper. I'm jealous of the brakes and top screen more than anything else though. I wonder what performance the new DCCD brings? More rear bias perhaps? More info pleeeaaase, Subaru!
Yeah I know I quoted myself, but I wanted to add more thoughts haha...

Thicker glass + more sound deadening + 19" wheels = more weight for sure. Go figure they upgraded the brakes and tweaked the suspension -- must handle the added weight somehow!

Still want to know more about the DCCD though...
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Old 01-05-2017, 01:17 PM   #56
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Kind of like the bump from the '08-10 to the '12-14 model, the styling on this refresh and the updates and upgrades make you want to dump the '15-17 to get this!

Love the new styling cues. The aesthetic is much more aggressive as they should be. Wheels, brakes, and suspension package make this a more value added vehicle. Once again, tock is better than tick, and gives early adopters envy.
Not even close. Biggest envy would be those with '14 not getting '15, which is a completely different car...Oh wait wut These are minor but much needed improvements as they should be in a mid-cycle refresh. No way worth the financial hit to dump a '15-'17 for a the same chasiss/drivetrain but yeah going back to your comment...'14 to '15 on the other hand, NOW that is a worthy upgrade.
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Old 01-05-2017, 01:30 PM   #57
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Didn't see anything listed regarding brake cooling/ducting... sad. The 6 pots are nice but they mean more expensive pads and rotors if you track it, plus you probably can't fit 17" track/winter wheels anymore. Can't decide if I should get this or find a 2017 STi.
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Old 01-05-2017, 01:32 PM   #58
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Wonder if the seats will for in a 2016 wrx
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Old 01-05-2017, 01:36 PM   #59
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Didn't see anything listed regarding brake cooling/ducting... sad. The 6 pots are nice but they mean more expensive pads and rotors if you track it, plus you probably can't fit 17" track/winter wheels anymore. Can't decide if I should get this or find a 2017 STi.
Yeah, there's really not that much advantage to 6 pots other than potentially some increase in feel. Also no performance advantage to drilled (actually, a disadvantage).
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Old 01-05-2017, 01:36 PM   #60
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I can't properly recall, but I think the S20x in Japan always had 6-pot, but sometimes came with 17" wheels up until GR/GV STI. Would be easy Google search, but Internet connection at work is sucky.

I don't see why OEM 17" STI wheels wouldn't fit. I don't think 6-pot is much thicker, just taller. Don't quote me on that though.

To be fair, STI haven't had OEM 17" wheels since GD era, so since you'd be going aftermarket anyways you'll more than likely find 17" wheels that clear.
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Old 01-05-2017, 01:38 PM   #61
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Nice but keeping my '16 STi until 2020 or later...
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Old 01-05-2017, 01:40 PM   #62
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Didn't see anything listed regarding brake cooling/ducting... sad. The 6 pots are nice but they mean more expensive pads and rotors if you track it, plus you probably can't fit 17" track/winter wheels anymore. Can't decide if I should get this or find a 2017 STi.
If you really had your heart set on an STI from a WRX, I'd say its worth the upgrade over a '17.

For '15-'17 STI owners though... I don't think it is. Great refresh, but not worth the financial hit. Also wondering if the upgraded brakes mean it will stop better, or just the same since the '18 should be heavier than the '15-'17.

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Wonder if the seats will for in a 2016 wrx
The brackets would probably be the same, but if you don't have power now you'd have to do some wiring work. Plus the bolstering on the bottom doesn't look any different. Not sure if all that is worth it just because "Recaro"

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To be fair, STI haven't had OEM 17" wheels since GD era, so since you'd be going aftermarket anyways you'll more than likely find 17" wheels that clear.
That might be a tall order. Finding 17" with near-stock offset isn't easy to find. They exist, but its not too easy. If those 6-pot brakes/rotors are larger in diameter, it will get even harder to find, if at all.

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Old 01-05-2017, 01:44 PM   #63
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Those are not the Recaros we wanted
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Old 01-05-2017, 01:51 PM   #64
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. Also wondering if the upgraded brakes mean it will stop better, or just the same since the '18 should be heavier than the '15-'17.
Brakes don't stop the car, tires do. Even the crappiest new cars on the road today with rear drums have enough stopping power to lock up the wheels (or engage ABS) from highway speeds.

The advantage of aluminum calipers is less unsprung weight and better heat dissipation. Going from 4 to 6 piston calipers isn't going to stop you any better, but more pistons can help with feel. Like I said earlier, it's bling. Though they do look nice.
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Old 01-05-2017, 01:53 PM   #65
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The drilled STI rotors are lame if you track the car, but oh well.

I still can't get over the red painted sliding calipers on the WRX. Whoever thinks that's cool over at Subaru needs to stop thinking that's cool.
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Old 01-05-2017, 02:01 PM   #66
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Everything is "kinda" cool, the 19's I dont like more or less because they're too big but everything else I did, wonder if it's all easily swappable.

Front bumper is 100% Evo, wow.
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Old 01-05-2017, 02:03 PM   #67
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Having bought a 17 STi this past June, I'm a little bummed out that the changes are more than cosmetic, but not too much. I definitely don't want 19" wheels, and while the brakes look 'cooler' for sure, I don't think for my purposes they would really be adding anything. I am curious about the DCCD change, while it's probably an improvement over what I have, it's not a guarantee.

The biggest thing I want from the new car is the MFD. Only because I hate the stupid two window setup that is in that area now.
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Old 01-05-2017, 02:04 PM   #68
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The biggest thing I want from the new car is the MFD. Only because I hate the stupid two window setup that is in that area now.
Agreed, that looks nice.
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Old 01-05-2017, 02:08 PM   #69
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Uhh... you realize that even though your payment pays the same, you are still going to pay a substantial amount to upgrade, right? Let's strip away the financing to make it simple:

For example, you paid $36k for your 2015. It's now worth $29k on trade. You pay 37k for a 2017 STI (there will probably be a small price bump). Guess what? you paid $8k to upgrade. Financing just hides the true cost from you. If the upgrades are worth $8k to you, then fine, but don't pretend like it's free.

For one, I did not pay $36k for my current car, not would I ever pay anything close to MSRP for any car.

When I bought my car, I sold cars, and I once again will be selling cars when I get my next car, so I will take car of my discount.

I never said it would be free, but I would be getting a brand new car, 3 Model years newer in fact, and pay less for it than my current car because of equity.

Let me give you an example without including tax or finance rates.

Current car -
36000 original price
500/m 72m payment
29000 trade
24000 owed
Net Profit 5000

New car
37000 original price
-5000 trade equity
32000 to finance
444/m @ 72m

So, its $56 less per month with the same term. Granted its a brand new 6 year finance, but I would be spending less per month, and if I wanted to flip this car in 2 or three years, knowing that STi's normally hold value, I can make money on it again.

Again, this is without including tax or interest rates, so it does vary, but I would still be making money on my current car.
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On the track, the STI Brembos shine over the WRX because of brake fade. That's what Brembos are for, if you actually track the car. Having 6-pot Brembos means more track time, essentially.

The loss to the STI is that 90% of the owners don't or won't track their car, thus look for reasons to justify what makes the STI unique over the WRX. The wing does help with stability at high speeds. The Brembos do help with brake fade. Both features are lost on a commuter STI.

Initially I gave up my STI because I knew I'd never track it and felt as though I wasn't doing the car justice. It felt overkill for daily driving duties. Gas mileage sucked. Plus upkeep would have been more than I wanted to afford.

In hindsight it was the best Subaru I've ever owned. Just a more robust performance vehicle over the WRX. Gas mileage isn't a problem if the STI is used for its intended purpose.

Obviously whatever people choose to do with their car is their business, but I don't think the STI should be knocked for having parts that justify its existence.

However, it should be knocked for having the same damn engine since Day 1.
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Old 01-05-2017, 02:17 PM   #72
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For one, I did not pay $36k for my current car, not would I ever pay anything close to MSRP for any car.

When I bought my car, I sold cars, and I once again will be selling cars when I get my next car, so I will take car of my discount.

I never said it would be free, but I would be getting a brand new car, 3 Model years newer in fact, and pay less for it than my current car because of equity.

Let me give you an example without including tax or finance rates.

Current car -
36000 original price
500/m 72m payment
29000 trade
24000 owed
Net Profit 5000

New car
37000 original price
-5000 trade equity
32000 to finance
444/m @ 72m

So, its $56 less per month with the same term. Granted its a brand new 6 year finance, but I would be spending less per month, and if I wanted to flip this car in 2 or three years, knowing that STi's normally hold value, I can make money on it again.

Again, this is without including tax or interest rates, so it does vary, but I would still be making money on my current car.
You'd only be "making money" if you sold the car for more than you paid for it. Selling it for more than you owe just means you're not underwater in the thing. The new car would essentially cost you whatever your payment is X however many more months you'd be paying on the '18 over your original loan. It may be worth it or it may not, but once you include the additional tax and registration, it's quite a bit of additional money to upgrade!
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Brakes don't stop the car, tires do. Even the crappiest new cars on the road today with rear drums have enough stopping power to lock up the wheels (or engage ABS) from highway speeds.

The advantage of aluminum calipers is less unsprung weight and better heat dissipation. Going from 4 to 6 piston calipers isn't going to stop you any better, but more pistons can help with feel. Like I said earlier, it's bling. Though they do look nice.
Who knows what the construction of these calipers are, but I bet its the same with 2 more pistons, where yes increased feel will come with it.

Would the "not stop any better" be true if the pad-to-rotor contact area is bigger? The release did say it had a different pad material too, so friction should be more than the current pad type, at least. I'm just speculating that the likely increase in weight could negate the advantage, if any.

In any case, the braking is great as-is for me so I'm just liking the bling factor
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You'd only be "making money" if you sold the car for more than you paid for it. Selling it for more than you owe just means you're not underwater in the thing. The new car would essentially cost you whatever your payment is X however many more months you'd be paying on the '18 over your original loan. It may be worth it or it may not, but once you include the additional tax and registration, it's quite a bit of additional money to upgrade!
That won't make sense to anyone that always thinks in terms of "payments." To those people, payment goes down and they think they are winning, when they are really losing and have perpetual payments, furthering extending out the years required to pay off their car. But they never will, they'll trade again, again, and again, never owning anything.
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That won't make sense to anyone that always thinks in terms of "payments." To those people, payment goes down and they think they are winning, when they are really losing and have perpetual payments.
shhh I just want a new car. Stop it with the logic.
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