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Old 02-09-2021, 10:53 AM   #951
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Super Subaru detailed! Top secret rally-spec AWD screamer to sit under WRX STI next year - reports

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Subaru's tie-up with Toyota will soon produce more than just a BRZ and 86, with the Japanese brand cooking up a rally-spec screamer that will sit below the WRX STI, and that will launch in September 2022, according to new Japanese reports.

Japanese media is reporting that Subaru's "Super AWD" will be a similar size to the Impreza hatch, and will be equipped with AWD, though a different system to the one used in Toyota's GR Yaris.

It is also expected to be fitted with a turbocharged 2.4-litre boxer engine, which, in WRX and STI guise, will produce anywhere from 170kW to 215kW. Initially, though, rumours had pointed to the super Subaru being a new take on the GR Yaris, and sharing that model's drivetrain.

The model is expected to be yet another partnership between the two Japanese manufacturers, though other details remain thin on the ground for now. That said, all will be revealed soon enough, with Japanese reports pointing to a September 2022 reveal for the new super Subaru.

As reported in CarsGuide last year, the "Super AWD" program that spawned the Yaris was always expected to produce a similar Subaru-badged car. The top-secret project was expected to produce a "comfortable AWD machine with a horizontally opposed engine installed vertically".

When Toyota increased its stake in Subaru, taking its ownership stake to above 20 per cent, the Japanese giant had hinted more co-developed AWD models were to come.

“We will bring together the strengths of both companies and jointly develop the most comfortable AWD model,” a press release said.
Something the size of an Impreza hatch with a turbo H4, that slots in under the STI? so you mean, like a WRX? hopefully the "hatch" part carries through.

They mentioned the Toyota partnership and the GR Yaris for search engines/clicks, they have absolutely nothing to do with the "impreza hatch" sized car they are talking about.

Also were it a "rally spec'd AWD screamer" it would blow the STI out of the water.

This is an amalgamation piece from a bunch of different older rumors/articles; they've essentially turned over the compost pile to get something out by a deadline.
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Old 02-09-2021, 11:07 AM   #952
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The companies that won’t re-engineer the FA20DIT to fit in the twins are going to re-engineer the FA24DIT to fit transversely and vertically in the Yaris?

Sure thing.
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Old 02-09-2021, 11:17 AM   #953
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The companies that won’t re-engineer the FA20DIT to fit in the twins are going to re-engineer the FA24DIT to fit transversely and vertically in the Yaris?

Sure thing.
If Toyota flips a majority of the bill, then sure. BRZ wouldn't exist without Toyota.
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Old 02-09-2021, 12:36 PM   #954
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The companies that won’t re-engineer the FA20DIT to fit in the twins are going to re-engineer the FA24DIT to fit transversely and vertically in the Yaris?

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Old 02-11-2021, 12:26 PM   #956
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Give me a break dude. That is all tires. The Yaris is a great car but cherry picking conditions and tracks to make it shine is lame. My dad's Astro Van on Blizzaks was faster in the snow than my Integra on drag radials
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Old 02-11-2021, 04:28 PM   #958
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Something the size of an Impreza hatch with a turbo H4, that slots in under the STI? so you mean, like a WRX? hopefully the "hatch" part carries through.

They mentioned the Toyota partnership and the GR Yaris for search engines/clicks, they have absolutely nothing to do with the "impreza hatch" sized car they are talking about.

Also were it a "rally spec'd AWD screamer" it would blow the STI out of the water.

This is an amalgamation piece from a bunch of different older rumors/articles; they've essentially turned over the compost pile to get something out by a deadline.
Well, Subaru put a Recaro badge on its seats and called them Recaro seats, so why not put a WRC badge on the WRX and call it a rally screamer?
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Old 02-11-2021, 05:16 PM   #959
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That is a pretty sweet shot! Just wish the Yaris was also sideways.
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Old 02-12-2021, 01:05 PM   #961
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The Clarkson Review: Toyota GR Yaris (Feb. 21)


I really didn't want to drive the new Toyota Yaris. I'd seen in my diary that it was due to come for a week at the beginning of February and all through January I was filled with a constant, draining need to oil the service revolver and write a note to my children.

The Yaris is a car you buy because you think the Honda Jazz is a bit too racy. It's for recently widowed old ladies who need something to get them and their friend Peggy to the bridge club. That's it. It has no other purpose. It's completely unreviewable and when I learnt that the model I would test had a three-cylinder engine, I very nearly called Toyota to cancel the booking. That, however, would have been a very big mistake because the Yaris that turned up was the GR model, which means that, actually, it isn't really a Yaris at all.

To understand this car - and you need to because you are going to want one - you must delve into the rule book that governs international rallying.

If a carmaker wanted to enter a car into a rally in the Eighties, it had to produce 5,000 roadgoing versions, for ordinary people in ordinary showrooms. This is why we ended up with cars like the Lancia Delta Integrale and the Ford Escort Cosworth.

Later a new rule was introduced that said carmakers had to make only 200 roadgoing versions. That's why we got the short wheelbase Audi quattro, that nutty Peugeot 205 T16 and the ridiculous rear-engined Metro.

Today carmakers must produce a whopping 25,000 versions of a car they enter into a world championship rally. Which is why the sport is now full of dreary Hyundais and Volkswagen Polos, and no one watches it. The RAC rally used to be Britain's biggest spectator event. Now you get more people in the bedroom of someone with a temperature and a cough.

Toyota has plainly decided to do something about that. So instead of putting stickers and some knobbly tyres on an ordinary Yaris, it has built an all-new version - a version that shares almost no components at all with its bridge four brother. And now it has to find 25,000 people in the world who'll want to buy one.

First things first. The engine. It's a three-cylinder 1.6-litre turbo, which doesn't sound particularly rallyish. But here's the thing. It does. The noise may be artificial, but as you bumble along there's a deep, offbeat thrum, as if you're sharing the car with a snoring dog. It's tremendous.

Then, when you put your foot down at low speed in a high gear, it's like you've gently woken the dog. There's a stirring. A sense of enormous power coming to life. And it is enormous. The engine may by tiny, but it produces nearly 260 horsepower, which, in a car that weighs only about as much as a match, means some serious get up and go. Full-bore standing starts are hysterical because it sets off like a ball from the penalty spot.

To make sure none of the power is wasted, there's a four-wheel-drive system that moves the oomph to whichever wheel is best able to handle it at any given moment. There's even a small readout on the dash to show you what's going where, but if you are going quickly enough for the system to be working, trust me, you won't have either the time or the inclination to look at the dash. Let alone reach for your spectacles first.

This is a car that made me laugh out loud. I took it into my fields one morning and made a terrible mess, but I didn't care because it was a complete riot. And once I'd got the hang of how it handled and how the system that enables you to choose between Track, Sport or Normal made no discernible difference, I went onto the roads, which were made from sheet ice. And it was a riot there too.

When you feel the traction is gone in a normal car, there's always a hair-raising moment when you think, "Crikey, I hope I can rescue this situation," but in the Yaris, with its front and rear limited-slip differentials, you just think, "Oh goody. This'll be fun."

It's uncannily easy to control and because of that you feel like a driving god. Like you could win a rally. Like you are doing.

This is one of the most enjoyable and thrilling cars I've ever driven. It's like a puppy dog version of the Nissan GT-R and I adored it.

Drawbacks? Very few. The interior is a bit Yarisish and because the sat-nav screen sits on top of the dash under the rear-view mirror, there's an almighty blind spot. Oh, and you do sit quite high up, but that's because rallyists like it that way. In Formula One the drivers basically lie down as if they're in bed playing a video game - which they sort of are - whereas their counterparts in rallying like to imagine they're sitting upright at a desk, working.

There are other examples of this rally thinking too. Instead of an electric handbrake, which would be of no use at all in Corsica or among the lakes of Finland, you get a proper lever; it even disconnects drive to the rear wheels when you pull it.

Then there's the space in the back, by which I mean there isn't any space in the back. The enormous front seats mean there's no legroom, and because Toyota's motorsport aerodynamicists wanted a sloping roof so they could put a rear wing in the airflow, there's no headroom either.

In other ways, though, there's no evidence at all that it's a rally car. It's got sensors that tug at the wheel when you stray out of lane and all the other appurtenances of modern living. Perhaps the most incredible thing is the way that such a sport-focused car isn't particularly uncomfortable. It doesn't glide but it doesn't jar either. And even on a motorway the silly racing tyres fitted to my test car don't make a racket.

I suspect this may have something to do with the fact that there are 4,175 weld points in the GR Yaris, 259 more than in the normal car, along with 116ft of structural adhesive. The body, then, is as rigid as a cathedral and that gives a sense of great quality and refinement.

I've saved the best bit till last, though. Prices for a standard car start at less than £30,000. Even the one I drove with all the bells and whistles and red brake callipers is only £33,495. I can think of nothing, apart from this newspaper and a McDonald's Happy Meal, that represents such good value. And that truly makes this car perfectly in tune with the times.

Today people have a problem with privilege. The famous must beat themselves with twigs, the educated must drop their aitches and royalty must fly in the back of the plane. Which is why wealth must be stealthy. You can only swan around in a Ferrari or a McLaren if you have skin thicker than a thick-cut pizza.

You may think, if currently you drive a Porsche 911 or something of that ilk, that the Yaris GR, a small three-cylinder Japanese hatchback, would be quite a comedown, but it really isn't. It's that good, but you'll need to get your order in quickly. Toyota is making 25,000 of them and that's not going to be enough. Not by a long way.
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Go to europe and buy a LHD one. Park it in a garage. Drive it once every few years on vacation. Import to US in 25 years. Sell for infinity dollars. win.
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small lightweight simple 3 door hatch with front and rear diffs and enough motor with a 6mt? Not for USA then, makes too much sense from an enthusiast point of view. It won't hold kid car seats, doesn't have a place for combo meal sacks, and can't haul all your **** from Sams club.
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I care so much about utility, that's why I was able to cram 4 18x9.5 wheels in boxes and 4 275/35r18s into the interior/trunk of my 03 WRX sedan to take to have mounted.

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small lightweight simple 3 door hatch with front and rear diffs and enough motor with a 6mt? Not for USA then, makes too much sense from an enthusiast point of view. It won't hold kid car seats, doesn't have a place for combo meal sacks, and can't haul all your **** from Sams club. It doesn't have enough ground clearance so it's not as easy to get in and out of, you have to shift your own gears rather than keep track of social media, it doesn't project a lifestyle.
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Is there really no hope we’ll get this?
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Is there really no hope we’ll get this?
Noped just a tarted up Corolla is what we get
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I hate Australia.....and everyone else that gets a Yaris
I couldn’t even imagine living where you live and having a GR4 at my disposal with a winter wheel and tire set. F me. Friend lives in Boulder. I’d drive it up there every year just to f around in the snow. So f’in irritating. Reading up on it being brick s house reliable so far, just makes me
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S209 would easily break into the 40s with a DP and tune and push its flatbed value even higher.

Yaris is trash.
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