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Old 10-20-2021, 06:20 PM   #276
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The adaptive dampers on the Si were just a gimmick anyway. I'm glad to hear Honda is ditching it. If they'd like to offer magnetorheological (aka magnaride) dampers at some point instead, I'd love that.
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Old 10-20-2021, 07:53 PM   #277
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Looks like Honda just gave up on the Si. Shame, as this car would have been epic with the 2.0T from the Accord. I can't believe they dropped the adaptive dampers and stuck with the mediocre 1.5T. They phoned it in.
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Old 10-20-2021, 07:57 PM   #278
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The adaptive dampers on the Si were just a gimmick anyway. I'm glad to hear Honda is ditching it. If they'd like to offer magnetorheological (aka magnaride) dampers at some point instead, I'd love that.
It's OK. Subaru has picked up the mantle of offering pointless crappy adaptive dampers.
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Old 10-20-2021, 08:28 PM   #279
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It's OK. Subaru has picked up the mantle of offering pointless crappy adaptive dampers.
I thought those were good but since Subaru started to offer them and Honda dropped them because they cannot compete at this price point they are bad now ? Subaru offering adaptive dampers, Subaru bad ? Honda good ? I am so confused right now, are those good or bad ?
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Old 10-20-2021, 08:31 PM   #280
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It's OK. Subaru has picked up the mantle of offering pointless crappy adaptive dampers.
Only with the CVT though….
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Old 10-21-2021, 04:12 PM   #281
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The adaptive dampers on the Si were just a gimmick anyway. I'm glad to hear Honda is ditching it. If they'd like to offer magnetorheological (aka magnaride) dampers at some point instead, I'd love that.
I would disagree with your opinion. Having driven a coupe and sedan the stiffened setting felt great in the twisties. Paired up with the wonderful diff the car was a blast to drive. Sure in extreme aggressive driving the car would understeer, hello Subaru, even more with the stiffer setting. Either way it was great feature to have at that price point. Honda is known for removing content to add additional content. Damn shame about this and the heated seats.
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Old 10-21-2021, 04:38 PM   #282
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I would disagree with your opinion. Having driven a coupe and sedan the stiffened setting felt great in the twisties. Paired up with the wonderful diff the car was a blast to drive. Sure in extreme aggressive driving the car would understeer, hello Subaru, even more with the stiffer setting. Either way it was great feature to have at that price point. Honda is known for removing content to add additional content. Damn shame about this and the heated seats.
Probably trying to keep the price around $27k.
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Old 10-21-2021, 05:59 PM   #283
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I'd rather buy the new Si over the new WRX.
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I'd rather buy the new Si over the new WRX.
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They're both too big though.
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Old 10-22-2021, 04:14 AM   #286
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Looks like Honda just gave up on the Si. Shame, as this car would have been epic with the 2.0T from the Accord. I can't believe they dropped the adaptive dampers and stuck with the mediocre 1.5T. They phoned it in.
I've got something you'll be interested in.. a 2019 D Street WRX STI vs a 2019 G Street Civic Si at the SOLO Nationals this year.

http://www.youtubemultiplier.com/617...s-civic-si.php


That's only the second fastest DS STI of the event. He ran the course in 58.932. The fastest STI (which has no video published online) on that course did it in 58.347.. so 0.585 faster.

The Civic Si did it in 56.404.. or 1.943s faster than the fastest STI.

18 GS 10th Gen Civic Si's went faster than the fastest STI on that course. A MK7 GTI laid down a 56.683

The fastest cars in DS this year.. 2020 Civic Type-R with a 55.395.


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I would disagree with your opinion. Having driven a coupe and sedan the stiffened setting felt great in the twisties. Paired up with the wonderful diff the car was a blast to drive. Sure in extreme aggressive driving the car would understeer, hello Subaru, even more with the stiffer setting. Either way it was great feature to have at that price point. Honda is known for removing content to add additional content. Damn shame about this and the heated seats.
Reading a thread about the GS campaigned Civic Si's, there was a lot of doubt and calling them a gimmick.. but only a few people seemed to have found them lacking on course (and tossed them for Motion Control dampers). Mea Culpa
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I'd rather buy the new Si over the new WRX.
Me too. I would buy 22 Civic Hatch 1.5 Turbo with a manual over a WRX. I would buy a Type R over a STI and Golf R. Just preference. Actually, I would buy the 2022 Civic Si over Wrx, STI and Golf R. I would have more fun on my local roads with the Si manual. Plus, it would ride better when I'm in my mellow mood.
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I've got something you'll be interested in.. a 2019 D Street WRX STI vs a 2019 G Street Civic Si at the SOLO Nationals this year.

http://www.youtubemultiplier.com/617...s-civic-si.php


That's only the second fastest DS STI of the event. He ran the course in 58.932. The fastest STI (which has no video published online) on that course did it in 58.347.. so 0.585 faster.

The Civic Si did it in 56.404.. or 1.943s faster than the fastest STI.

18 GS 10th Gen Civic Si's went faster than the fastest STI on that course. A MK7 GTI laid down a 56.683

The fastest cars in DS this year.. 2020 Civic Type-R with a 55.395.




Reading a thread about the GS campaigned Civic Si's, there was a lot of doubt and calling them a gimmick.. but only a few people seemed to have found them lacking on course (and tossed them for Motion Control dampers). Mea Culpa
Good post. The 10th Gen Civic platform was ultra competitive in basically every stock class some model fit in. Some of these guy's wouldn't know Tom Doll's ******* from a hole in the ground.
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Old 10-22-2021, 09:20 AM   #289
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Me too. I would buy 22 Civic Hatch 1.5 Turbo with a manual over a WRX. I would buy a Type R over a STI and Golf R. Just preference. Actually, I would buy the 2022 Civic Si over Wrx, STI and Golf R. I would have more fun on my local roads with the Si manual. Plus, it would ride better when I'm in my mellow mood.
See glad it's not only me!

I wish the '22 Civic Hatch would come in the color (Aegean Blue Metallic) I like but that color only comes on the sedan....
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Old 10-22-2021, 11:08 AM   #290
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Me too. I would buy 22 Civic Hatch 1.5 Turbo with a manual over a WRX. I would buy a Type R over a STI and Golf R. Just preference. Actually, I would buy the 2022 Civic Si over Wrx, STI and Golf R. I would have more fun on my local roads with the Si manual. Plus, it would ride better when I'm in my mellow mood.
Just FYI my wife hates riding in my 2020 Civic Si cause the passenger seat has no height adjustment and you sit on the floor like in a bathtub, plus the ride is harsh. Common compliant from Civic front seat passengers. I don't particularly like riding in it either. She likes driving it though.

Fortunately it's just a work car and the kids in the back don't care.
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Damn, I just realized the Si is only coming in sedan form, bummer.
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Just FYI my wife hates riding in my 2020 Civic Si cause the passenger seat has no height adjustment and you sit on the floor like in a bathtub, plus the ride is harsh. Common compliant from Civic front seat passengers. I don't particularly like riding in it either. She likes driving it though.

Fortunately it's just a work car and the kids in the back don't care.
Then your wife would have hated the constant bouncing/undulations in the 2004-2007 STi's. The 2017/2018 Civic Si sedan has great stock damping, sure the "sport" setting on the suspension introduced a bit more bounce but nothing like the first gen STI's here in the US.

And I love the low to the ground position of the 10th Gen, we have an 8th Gen Civic in the family and the seating is similar. I do agree, the lack of height adjustment on the passenger side sucks.
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Old 10-22-2021, 03:15 PM   #293
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Just FYI my wife hates riding in my 2020 Civic Si cause the passenger seat has no height adjustment and you sit on the floor like in a bathtub, plus the ride is harsh. Common compliant from Civic front seat passengers. I don't particularly like riding in it either. She likes driving it though.

Fortunately it's just a work car and the kids in the back don't care.
Well to be truthfull I haven't driven any of the new cars I mentioned. Golf 8, 2022 Civics. I had an 04 and 06 STI. The 04 was real piece of crap. I loved it, but it was real piece of **** from day one. It was a Lemmon it happens. So I'm done with STI. I think 21 Honda Sport 2.0 10 speed 33.5K is a good buy. The 22 has shown its face on the net. I don't know about the new wheels. I think 21 wheels looked better.. shrug.. The front ends looks better..
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The fastest cars in DS this year.. 2020 Civic Type-R with a 55.395.


But bro, imagine if it was snowing, AWD RULEZ!

Seriously though, I can't believe how much I love driving my Type R. It is so much better than my old STI and Focus RS.
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Damn, I just realized the Si is only coming in sedan form, bummer.
it's not like the "hatch" is actually a "hatch". It's a sedan with a bloated rear end and a fastback tailgate. I guess it makes it marginally more useful.
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Maybe Dex wants a coupe.
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Maybe Dex wants a coupe.
Coupe died with this gen... no more coupe at all.
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Right.. but there hasn't been a Civic Si hatch in North America since 2005.
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Right.. but there hasn't been a Civic Si hatch in North America since 2005.
That was a true hatchback. I almost bought one of those recently just for fun.
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I've got something you'll be interested in.. a 2019 D Street WRX STI vs a 2019 G Street Civic Si at the SOLO Nationals this year.

http://www.youtubemultiplier.com/617...s-civic-si.php


That's only the second fastest DS STI of the event. He ran the course in 58.932. The fastest STI (which has no video published online) on that course did it in 58.347.. so 0.585 faster.

The Civic Si did it in 56.404.. or 1.943s faster than the fastest STI.

18 GS 10th Gen Civic Si's went faster than the fastest STI on that course. A MK7 GTI laid down a 56.683

The fastest cars in DS this year.. 2020 Civic Type-R with a 55.395.




Reading a thread about the GS campaigned Civic Si's, there was a lot of doubt and calling them a gimmick.. but only a few people seemed to have found them lacking on course (and tossed them for Motion Control dampers). Mea Culpa
LOL of course a car that is 400 lbs lighter is going to be quicker around few construction cones on a parking lot. They dropped the ball on this gen and you know it. Talk about a missed opportunity. It looks like it is going to be slower than the previous gen so realistic 0-60 in about 7 seconds. This car desperately needs that 2.0T. Shame.
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