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View Poll Results: Please report your oil consuption here for the vehicle you own(ed)
2011-14 Forester - Excessive Consumption 12 13.19%
2011-14 Forester - Normal/No Consumption 8 8.79%
2013 Legacy - Excessive Consumption 2 2.20%
2013 Legacy - Normal/No Consumption 4 4.40%
2012-13 Outback - Excessive Consumption 4 4.40%
2012-13 Outback - Normal/No Consumption 5 5.49%
2012-13 Impreza - Excessive Consumption 33 36.26%
2012-13 Impreza - Normal/No Consumption 28 30.77%
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Old 02-13-2015, 07:13 PM   #76
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My apologies, that was a typo. She had a 2012 until an hour ago; she just traded it in for the 2011.
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Old 02-13-2015, 07:27 PM   #77
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My apologies, that was a typo. She had a 2012 until an hour ago; she just traded it in for the 2011.
Well that escalated quickly
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Old 02-17-2015, 12:13 PM   #78
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Old 02-22-2015, 05:21 PM   #79
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Old 02-23-2015, 08:49 AM   #80
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Old 02-23-2015, 10:35 AM   #81
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Old 02-23-2015, 11:11 AM   #82
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I just noticed that the sticker from OCI sticker from Subaru of Wakefield on my mom's 2011 Outback 2.5i says to use 0W20. I always thought SOA recommended 5W30 for these cars. I was even considering Rotella. It usually only consumes 1 quart or less between a 5K OCI.

0W20 seems way too thin for an EJ.
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Old 02-23-2015, 11:41 AM   #83
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I just noticed that the sticker from OCI sticker from Subaru of Wakefield on my mom's 2011 Outback 2.5i says to use 0W20. I always thought SOA recommended 5W30 for these cars. I was even considering Rotella. It usually only consumes 1 quart or less between a 5K OCI.

0W20 seems way too thin for an EJ.


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Old 02-23-2015, 01:47 PM   #84
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Oil level light just came on at 2400 miles after my last oil change (Mobil 1 0W-20 AFE). I have 40,400 miles on the car, and I have always done my own oil changes at the recommended 7500 mile interval. Checked the level, and it was down a full quart.

Called the dealership, who told me I have the privilege of paying $82.88 for them to do the oil consumption test; they did say it will be refunded if the test shows excessive oil consumption.

Crap!!! Double crap!!!!!! I used to actually like my car...
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Oil level light just came on at 2400 miles after my last oil change (Mobil 1 0W-20 AFE). I have 40,400 miles on the car, and I have always done my own oil changes at the recommended 7500 mile interval. Checked the level, and it was down a full quart.

Called the dealership, who told me I have the privilege of paying $82.88 for them to do the oil consumption test; they did say it will be refunded if the test shows excessive oil consumption.

Crap!!! Double crap!!!!!! I used to actually like my car...
Start a case with SOA - the consumption test will be comped.

Word to the wise here - always start with SOA, they will trump what the stealerships tell ya in most cases
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Old 02-23-2015, 04:14 PM   #86
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Start a case with SOA - the consumption test will be comped.

Word to the wise here - always start with SOA, they will trump what the stealerships tell ya in most cases
Thanks for the advice. I called SOA, and they told me the oil consumption test will be comped, and that they will contact the dealer for me.
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Old 02-23-2015, 05:04 PM   #87
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Thanks for the advice. I called SOA, and they told me the oil consumption test will be comped, and that they will contact the dealer for me.
I bet your dealer is going to love you now.

Make sure they don't overfill it. Don't leave the service dept without checking.
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Oil level light just came on at 2400 miles after my last oil change (Mobil 1 0W-20 AFE). I have 40,400 miles on the car, and I have always done my own oil changes at the recommended 7500 mile interval. Checked the level, and it was down a full quart.

Called the dealership, who told me I have the privilege of paying $82.88 for them to do the oil consumption test; they did say it will be refunded if the test shows excessive oil consumption.

Crap!!! Double crap!!!!!! I used to actually like my car...
stop using **** oil...simple
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Old 02-25-2015, 01:34 AM   #89
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stop using **** oil...simple
Stop making **** suggestions. Mobil 1 has no bearing on the issue. It's not the brand of oil, it's an inherent mechanical flaw, which is not simple. He could run Amsoil through it and still have the same problem.
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Old 02-25-2015, 04:44 AM   #90
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And Mobil 1 may not be great, but Ive been using it for 170k miles without issue in my EJ25. 0w30. Runs like a top, never missed a beat, no compression issues at 200k miles, no lifter noise, mpg good as ever. No leaks, consumption unnoticeable. Evironmental temps ranging from -20 to 110F.
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Old 02-25-2015, 02:45 PM   #91
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From the 2012 Impreza Owner's manual:

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Alternative engine oil
If the SUBARU approved oil is unavailable, the following alternative oil can be used:

ILSAC GF-4 or GF-5, which can be identified with the ILSAC certification mark. SAE Viscosity: 0W20 Full Synthetic
and Mobil1 0W-20 AFE is ILSAC GF-5 certified. So, whatever the "common wisdom" is that "Mobil1 sucks", I met the specs required by the owner's manual. And frankly? It's not the f***ing oil!

I'm at the dealership now; the service guy was actually really friendly, even though SOA contradicted his initial statement about comping the oil consumption test. In situations like this, the best results come by being pleasant but infinitely persistent.

As an engineer myself, I actually feel sorry for the guy(s) in the engine group at Subaru responsible for the decisions that led to this situation. I'd love to know the details of why the oil control ring/cylinder wall interface is failing this way. Maybe it's related to really low ring tension to reduce friction? Metallurgy of the cylinders? Anyway, there are always a huge number of factors to consider when designing something as complicated as in internal combustion engine, and somehow they just blew it!

I'd also like to know what percentage of motors have this issue; Consumer Reports still lists the 2012 Impreza reliability rating for "Engine, Major" as above average, so it seems like it's still a relatively small percentage.

I already told the service guy I wanted to check the oil level with him before I leave, since thousands of dollars of work will be riding on just a few mm of oil level difference.
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So Many Bloody Ididots

So Many Nice Cars To **** The Hell Up Being Stupid

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No matter what, Uncle, you will always be the king of idiocy, emojis, and dooood onomatopoeia. I hope your 'superiority' helps you feel better, little guy.
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No matter what, Uncle, you will always be the king of idiocy, emojis, and dooood onomatopoeia. I hope your 'superiority' helps you feel better, little guy.

im not superior

im just not stupid


there is a HUGE difference

if YOU don't see it....that's not my problem

I just point out the OBVIOUS and those that don't like THAT???

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Raise your hand if anyone here has any experience with Statistical Process Control and knows how sample size impacts analysis.

Anyone? Anyone here have an MBA? If so, please speak up. Please enlighten us how this thread/line of dialogue will bear tangible fruit.
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Raise your hand if anyone here has any experience with Statistical Process Control and knows how sample size impacts analysis.

Anyone? Anyone here have an MBA? If so, please speak up. Please enlighten us how this thread/line of dialogue will bear tangible fruit.
I don't have an MBA...but I have a BA and took statistics.

That being said, there is no tangible fruit possible from this thread...as it's a f'ing poll.
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I'm only trying to share my experiences in dealing with SOA on the issue of oil consumption in my FB20 motor. I make no claims beyond my experience with my motor. I do have a couple of observations, which actually apply to NASIOC in general:

1) Don't feed the trolls.
2) The level of sarcasm, snarkiness, and insults seem to be higher here than on other websites. Isn't the main point to share information which you can't find anywhere else? Sure, people post stuff which you may disagree with, or even think is stupid. You don't have to respond! Or, you can disagree without being insulting (it is possible!).

Of course this poll is not statistically accurate; its just an informal poll, and (I think) a place to post information about SOA's response to this issue.

I will be tracking my oil consumption now that the test has started, and post back once there are some results...
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I'm only trying to share my experiences in dealing with SOA on the issue of oil consumption in my FB20 motor. I make no claims beyond my experience with my motor. I do have a couple of observations, which actually apply to NASIOC in general:

1) Don't feed the trolls.
2) The level of sarcasm, snarkiness, and insults seem to be higher here than on other websites. Isn't the main point to share information which you can't find anywhere else? Sure, people post stuff which you may disagree with, or even think is stupid. You don't have to respond! Or, you can disagree without being insulting (it is possible!).

Of course this poll is not statistically accurate; its just an informal poll, and (I think) a place to post information about SOA's response to this issue.

I will be tracking my oil consumption now that the test has started, and post back once there are some results...
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Seriously, if youre going to bag on someone for using this or that, at least make it coherent so theres a point, and at least make your japes and insults funny for crying out loud.

That said, 2015 Forester premium, 10k miles, just did second oil change, no noticeable consumption at all. Its also amazing how easy an oil chnage can be with ground clearance and the filter on the top.
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Raise your hand if anyone here has any experience with Statistical Process Control and knows how sample size impacts analysis.

Anyone? Anyone here have an MBA? If so, please speak up. Please enlighten us how this thread/line of dialogue will bear tangible fruit.


d000000000d

I been statisticacalin this for years and years....im really not the amazing kreskin

but...ya cant buck seein the same thing overanadoverandoverandoverando.......yeah
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