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10-07-2006, 10:15 PM | #1 |
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Dunlop SP Winter Sport 3D vs. Dunlop Winter Sport M3
What's the difference between these 2 tires? On tirerack.com they look almost the same, except the 3D has no reviews or survey results. Is it just a new version of the M3?
Also, any known problems/issues with either of these tires?
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10-08-2006, 01:30 AM | #2 |
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It's their newest generation of their Wintersport line. One would think it would be better than the rest. My bro runs the M3s, very good winter tire, nice and grippy on snow and offers a nice and stiff sidewall to maintain a decent level of responsiveness.
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10-08-2006, 08:29 AM | #3 |
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So the 3D is a replacement for the M3, and they probably just have both until the old stock of M3s runs out? Luke?
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10-08-2006, 06:37 PM | #4 |
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I had this debate with myself for tires for my STI-replacing S4. After several emails with the Tire Rack, I decided to go with a 215/50-17 M3 rather than a 235/45-17 M3D. The reasoning was that the new tire has not yet proven itself to be better than the M3, and the narrower width would cancel out any slight improvement in traction tht there might be with the new design.
If they were available in the size I wanted, I probably would have tried the new one if the price were comparable. |
10-09-2006, 08:18 AM | #5 |
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the 3D's are the new version of Dunlop high performance winter tire and has a slightly different tread design than the M3's but, compound and general internal stucture is the same
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10-09-2006, 09:43 AM | #6 |
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I was thinking about the M3 vs the M3D also, they look to be the same, however on the TireRack the price of the M3D's are $104each where the M3s are $111each.
I guess I'm not sure why the newer ones would be cheaper? I will be using the stock 05 WRX Wheels with 205/55VR16 per recommendation of the tirerack of the M3D's unless someone can tell me the difference besides the tread pattern. thx |
10-09-2006, 10:04 AM | #7 |
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At least by looking at the pictures, the M3s look more snow aggressive with a more open tread while the 3Ds look a little more A/S in tread design, especially in the middle. By pure looks alone, I think the 3Ds will not quite cut through the slush as well.
I am in NOVA so I might save the $7 per tire and try the new 3Ds. It is mostly cleared roads around here and it never really snows more than a few inches at a time. G |
10-11-2006, 12:50 PM | #8 |
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So I called Town Fair Tire and the guy claimed that the Dunlop M3s that I looked at http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....nSpeedRating=V
are the 'not as good versions'. I thought the VR versions of these tires meant they were rated for higher speeds? I am going to head there after work, what questions should I have in mind and what should I look out for. I was set on the 205/55VR16s, but don't want this guy to try and claim that the tires arent as good as something else. |
10-11-2006, 05:49 PM | #9 |
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So, the guy at TF told you his cheaper competitor's identical product was not as good as the one he has? Sounds like a lame attempt to get you to buy his tires.
YEs, the V rated versions have a higher speed rating and perhaps a stiffer sidewall. I had H rated on my STi, no issues, and I just bought H rated for my S4, don't anticipate a problem there either. |
10-12-2006, 09:00 AM | #10 |
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Consumer Reports just tested performance winter tires. They did not include the 3D but the M3s performed somewhat poorly, especially the V-rated ones which were at the bottom of the list. Based on everything I read, I am going with ContiWinterContact TS810 tires now. They were best for places with infrequent freezing as the snow performance was only average. That should fit the the bill for me.
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10-12-2006, 09:23 AM | #11 |
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^^That's odd consdering the M3s are top-rated on tirerack.com What was the basis for CR's low rating? (I tend to take CR with a grain of salt anyway. When they have done reviews of products I know a lot about--eg camping gear--they often fail to consider important factors like stitching quality.)
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10-12-2006, 12:39 PM | #12 | |
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I've noticed the same thing w/ CR. Don't believe everything you read. They often favor certain brands depending on what they are testing. Yes, it is probably a good baseline, but there have been many cases where they are way wrong on some products. I'd feel much safer going by people who know about the products and live with them every day(like these forums). Not that everything you read here is fact, but you can generally tell if a user knows his stuff or if he's not worth listening to. |
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10-12-2006, 02:26 PM | #13 | |
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10-12-2006, 02:51 PM | #14 |
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The issue is at home but I do remember this:
Snow traction was determined by accelerating on 2-4 inches of packed snow. Ice traction was stopping distance from 10 MPH with ABS disabled on ice, of course. I think these are legitimate tests that should be objective. I'll post the other details when I get home. G |
10-12-2006, 06:47 PM | #15 |
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Please tell me the 3D's will perform well. I just bought a set of them on 15" wheels from Luke at TR
Seriously can't wait to try them out and give my own opinion, but that might be a while here in NY/Lower Hudson Valley area............. |
10-12-2006, 09:05 PM | #16 |
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10-12-2006, 09:15 PM | #17 |
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Excellent. That's what I like to hear
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10-12-2006, 11:33 PM | #18 |
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another test of 205/55x16 H-rated tires for your consideration by the German Auto Club:
http://www.adac.de/Tests/Reifentests...rcePageID=8979 cut to the chase: best in the dry: Conti TS810, Michelin PA2 best in the wet: Bridgestone LM25, Dunlop M3 DSST, Nokian WR best on snow: TS810 best on ice: TS810, LM25 rated 3 stars: TS810, LM25, PA2, Pirelli W210 Sottozero rated 2 stars: M3, M3 DSST rated 1 star: Nokian WR based on this test I'd buy the TS810's also, so maybe Consumer Reports testing wasn't so bad after all. |
10-13-2006, 07:51 AM | #19 |
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Hankook W 300 Icebear got 2 stars. Not bad.
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10-14-2006, 07:59 PM | #20 |
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hmmm ... no survey results on tirerack for the TS810s (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....rContact+TS810) so maybe that's why they don't show up in the comparative rankings. Not enough data maybe?
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10-21-2006, 07:17 PM | #21 |
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Any reviews or opinons on Dunlop Graspic DS-2's?
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10-23-2006, 09:09 AM | #22 |
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10-31-2006, 09:46 PM | #23 |
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I just bought the 3D in 17". The M3 had great ratings. Tires get better, not worse. The 3D is replacing the M3. It should be a lot better in slush.
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11-01-2006, 10:11 AM | #24 |
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The only places the M3s lacked in the CR test was dry and ice braking. Other than that, they were comparable with other performance winter tires. I would think the 3Ds will be better. I may still jump on the Conti wagon though.
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11-01-2006, 10:55 AM | #25 |
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I am looking for winter tires as well but i do not see a correct size for an STi for the Conti's
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