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Old 02-06-2015, 03:15 PM   #51
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700whp in a subaru is hilarious. go home your drunk.
Clearly your incredulous about the capabilities of you're motor but from personal experience, 500whp is reliable so what is another 200whp? I mean no disrespect as I do value you're opinion.
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Old 02-06-2015, 03:18 PM   #52
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^Ha! Illegal street racing video! lol
Yeah but it is actually in Brazil doe unlike the fake "CGI in Mexico" street racing vids I see
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Old 02-06-2015, 04:37 PM   #53
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It was an evo 8 that was gutted without a cage.
That would make WAY more sense and should be disclosed when trying to compare a number. Anyone reading that will see what you posted and assume there 600whp STI will be going mid 9s at near 150 coming off your dyno.

Like wise 590whp DYNOJET in a 2800lb evo has netted me 143-144mph traps. You can get those EVOs in the 2500-2600 range pretty easy, which would make that same evo trap another 2-3mph.

I do agree that a DynoDynamic can def read low. I would see mid 11s/120s with only 340-350whp native DD numbers.


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Old 02-06-2015, 05:46 PM   #54
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700 on a GTX3582r is optimistic, realistically you'll need a bigger turbo than that.
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Old 02-06-2015, 06:49 PM   #55
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should be good



it flows as much as an HTA86, and they make 700-730whp no problem on E85
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Old 02-06-2015, 07:11 PM   #56
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ID 1300 on E65 aint going to make any serious power - those injectors are too small

I am making 420 on a mustang dyno on 93 octane and maxed out on ID1000

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I made 480 on E85 with ID1000's, mind you I'm still catted and top mount. I've seen 1000cc injectors on our car push 500whp on E85. Bumping up base pressure makes a difference too. 1300's will max out around ~550-600 whp on E85 depending on fuel pressure. Anything above 600 needs >1300's
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Old 02-06-2015, 07:11 PM   #57
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Old 02-06-2015, 07:19 PM   #58
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Old 02-06-2015, 07:32 PM   #59
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An evo at 39psi doesn't compare to a EJ25 at 39psi, our engines make less power with like for like turbos and boost.

The GTX3582r's make approx 600hp @ 30psi on E85 over here.
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An evo at 39psi doesn't compare to a EJ25 at 39psi, our engines make less power with like for like turbos and boost.

The GTX3582r's make approx 600hp @ 30psi on E85 over here.
Report back when you turn it up to 37psi, scared?
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Old 02-06-2015, 10:01 PM   #61
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send me a gtx3582r and I'll do that on our shop car, we've moved on to bigger and better turbos :P

And at 37psi you're outside the choke line of a gtx3582r anyway.

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Report back when you turn it up to 37psi, scared?

For the first time ever Id agree with him evos will generally make more power on the same turbo.
When's the last time you have seen any of us on 6262/6266s gen1s making 700+whp?
We don't
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Clearly your incredulous about the capabilities of you're motor but from personal experience, 500whp is reliable so what is another 200whp? I mean no disrespect as I do value you're opinion.


No disrespect but i would not call a EJ anything reliable at 500whp.

Add 200whp to that and well......the end result isn't good.

The only people doing it is people affiliated with shops or individuals that can pull and built their motor when it does let go.

Not saying its not being done.....but for the average Joe it's not a reliable number.

400whp is what i would call reliable with a solid tune and not beating the crap out of it on a daily basis.

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Old 02-07-2015, 10:30 AM   #64
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Except RWD, makes it a bitch to control. AWD all day for high powered builds

Hella fail
So some dork almost stalls it? Yeah that proves a lot. The hellcat runs 11.0 on stock tires with a good driver and 10.90 all day long with a half decent driver and a $500 set of drag radials. It also has a warranty and all the neat bells and whistles inside. The Charger hellcat will do the same in a big 4 door sedan.

But keep at it fanboy.


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what a joke... there was a hellcat at the ocala 1/2 mile last weekend that was running high 140's low 150's..

doesnt seem worth the price tag imho

i ran 148.8 in my subaru at heavens landing and i only ran 1 time



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncR_lzwXBQY
1/2 mile?

That's an odd standard.

I can see a similarly powered turbo subaru doing better than a hellcat in a 1/2 mile. The hellcat would beat it to the 1/4 mile and the subaru would pull ahead on the last 1/4 when it really gets into boost in high gear.
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No disrespect but i would not call a EJ anything reliable at 500whp.



Add 200whp to that and well......the end result isn't good.



The only people doing it is people affiliated with shops or individuals that can pull and built their motor when it does let go.



Not saying its not being done.....but for the average Joe it's not a reliable number.



400whp is what i would call reliable with a solid tune and not beating the crap out of it on a daily basis.



JMO

Pretty sure the guy you just quoted has well north of 50k on his motor that makes 500whp on 93 and meth.


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I can see a similarly powered turbo subaru doing better than a hellcat in a 1/2 mile. The hellcat would beat it to the 1/4 mile and the subaru would pull ahead on the last 1/4 when it really gets into boost in high gear.

Almost any corvette or cts-v ect I have raced that makes similar power has came back in the end on me. So I don't think that is true.


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I'm new to the Subaru world, but not to the built motor, spend your life savings world. I came from Ford with a built 1200 whp gt500 so I know what's necessary in regards to fuel system/rods/pistons/cams/intake/etc. What does it take (without doubt) to get a 2011 WRX non-sti to 700 whp WITHOUT nitrous? I am guessing a built motor (but from who), a new fuel system (what size injectors/pumps and how many pumps (i had 3 465lph in the shelby)), and tranny upgrade (again....from who) are necessary. Any help would be much appreciated!!! Who are the best builders, what size motor do people go with most often (CUI) and what turbo setups are the most ubiquitously used and have the track record to back up the repuation? Thanks guys!!!
A car we built that made about 700 on my dyno made over 900 on another dyno on a hotter day with less boost (customer moved so I flew to Arizona to tweak the tune).

Since you said you want 700 wheel HP and made no mention of handling or anything else, it sounds like you want a street race or drag race car. You're better off telling the shop you choose what ET and/or trap you expect.

Our old Subaru drag car ran high 9s at ~500 whp with a stock STI tranny. With ~500 whp through an auto on my dyno I'd expect mid or low 9s from the same car. At full weight with stock tranny it would run 10s, full weight on street tires probably low 11s because it won't hook up.

When I ran my road course Subaru at the drag strip for fun on the stock STI shortblock JR tuned watched me skate to some low 11s on road course full slicks despite doing big burnouts. I went back and ran 9.9 on DOT drag tires without changing other stuff. If you're building a car to drag race you really should tell the shop what you want it to run, then build around that rather than a power # because it's not all about power and a number on one dyno can be something totally different on another dyno.

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That would make WAY more sense and should be disclosed when trying to compare a number. Anyone reading that will see what you posted and assume there 600whp STI will be going mid 9s at near 150 coming off your dyno.
It's like saying 150WHP would trap in the 140's without disclosing the fact that you're referring to a sportbike. LOL. Weight makes a big difference. Most Subaru forums are expecting a curb weight in the 3200-3400lbs range when comparing power to trap.

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So some dork almost stalls it? Yeah that proves a lot. The hellcat runs 11.0 on stock tires with a good driver and 10.90 all day long with a half decent driver and a $500 set of drag radials. It also has a warranty and all the neat bells and whistles inside. The Charger hellcat will do the same in a big 4 door sedan.

I can see a similarly powered turbo subaru doing better than a hellcat in a 1/2 mile. The hellcat would beat it to the 1/4 mile and the subaru would pull ahead on the last 1/4 when it really gets into boost in high gear.
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Almost any corvette or cts-v ect I have raced that makes similar power has came back in the end on me. So I don't think that is true.
The drivers at Motor Trend couldn't do any better than 11.7 sec at 125mph on the stock tires.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...at_first_test/

I think it takes a really good driver and perfect conditions to put down the runs that Dodge has done. With real sticky tires and a prepped track I am sure it can scrape into the 10's. But on street tires and an unprepped surface I bet most owners would have trouble getting under the 12's.

A Subaru with similar power should kill the Hellcat simply due to weight. My 02 WRX weighs a hair under 3,000lbs, made 450WHP on a Mustang dyno, and did 10.9s @ 128mph on snow tires. Bump that up to 600+ WHP like the Hellcat would make and it should be close to 9's at around 140mph. AND it can actually put the power down on the street.
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No disrespect but i would not call a EJ anything reliable at 500whp.

Add 200whp to that and well......the end result isn't good.

The only people doing it is people affiliated with shops or individuals that can pull and built their motor when it does let go.

Not saying its not being done.....but for the average Joe it's not a reliable number.

400whp is what i would call reliable with a solid tune and not beating the crap out of it on a daily basis.

JMO
what shop you going to? I consider myself an average Joe, I'm a doctor and at times I have to rush to the hospital. This car has never failed me, in fact it gets me there quicker
As I said before, not all shops are created equal. There are levels to this ****

http://www.iwsti.com/forums/gr-membe...000-miles.html

Funniest thing is, I live 5 hours from IAG
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So some dork almost stalls it? Yeah that proves a lot. The hellcat runs 11.0 on stock tires with a good driver and 10.90 all day long with a half decent driver and a $500 set of drag radials. It also has a warranty and all the neat bells and whistles inside. The Charger hellcat will do the same in a big 4 door sedan.

But keep at it fanboy.
Drag radials on a daily driver, I'm not dignifying that with a response.
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A Subaru with similar power should kill the Hellcat simply due to weight. My 02 WRX weighs a hair under 3,000lbs, made 450WHP on a Mustang dyno, and did 10.9s @ 128mph on snow tires. Bump that up to 600+ WHP like the Hellcat would make and it should be close to 9's at around 140mph. AND it can actually put the power down on the street.
70k for 450whp, 120k for 600whp
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Drag radials on a daily driver, I'm not dignifying that with a response.
Why not?

The BFG and Mickey Thompson and especially Nitto ones drive just fine on the street.

I used to drive around on them all the time on my old Nova Chevelle and Camaro.

We even used to run Et street bias plys on daily drivers. That was a little sketchy, but not horrible.
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Why not?

The BFG and Mickey Thompson and especially Nitto ones drive just fine on the street.

I used to drive around on them all the time on my old Nova Chevelle and Camaro.

We even used to run Et street bias plys on daily drivers. That was a little sketchy, but not horrible.
Rain/standing water and can't have fun on twisty roads/on ramps
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