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Old 07-24-2023, 06:47 AM   #426
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Old 07-24-2023, 08:29 AM   #427
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if it's more than a Performance Pack with suspension tweaks and Brembos I'll be shook.

it's still popular enough as is.
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Still waiting for more details and a press release.

2024 BRZ tS

Has the brakes and Sachs suspension supposedly, along with the badges. Same wheels and no wing. Don't know about the interior.
I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

the gold Brembos are a nice touch from 2004 though, they must have found those covered in dust in a back store room.
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Old 07-24-2023, 09:54 AM   #428
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Old 07-24-2023, 09:55 AM   #429
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Old 07-24-2023, 11:15 AM   #430
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Nice. Now they need to bring those same upgrades to the WRX.
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Old 07-24-2023, 12:16 PM   #431
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Subaru press release

https://media.subaru.com/pressreleas...-brz-ts-debuts

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NEW PERFORMANCE-FOCUSED 2024 SUBARU BRZ tS® DEBUTS AT SUBIEFEST CALIFORNIA
New suspension tuned by STI®
Equipped with high-performance Brembo® braking system
Unique exterior and interior elements
First time EyeSight® Driver Assist Technology offered on a Subaru with a manual transmission
Arrives in Subaru retailers first quarter of 2024
The performance-focused 2024 Subaru BRZ tS made its Global Debut at Subiefest California on Sunday, July 23. The new trim level offers the best performance and handling capability in a BRZ ever thanks to STI-tuned suspension and a Brembo braking system. For the first time, EyeSight Driver Assist Technology is now standard on a Subaru model equipped with a manual transmission. With 2024 marking the return of the BRZ tS to the model line, this top trim level will be available nationwide at Subaru retailers early next year.

The BRZ tS comes equipped with STI-tuned front and rear Hitachi® dampers to maximize its light weight, ultra-low center of gravity and precision handling, resulting in greater flexibility and better control and stability. A high-performance Brembo braking system, including gold-painted 4-piston front calipers, gold-painted 2-piston rear calipers and larger pads and rotors, enhances stopping power, fade resistance and pedal feel. The BRZ tS also has 18-inch wheels mounted with 215/40 R18 Michelin Pilot® Sport 4 tires for superior grip and quicker turn-in.

Offered for the first time on any Subaru model with manual transmission is EyeSight Driver Assist Technology. The award-winning safety system includes Adaptive Cruise Control, Pre-Collision Braking System, Lane Departure and Sway Warning, and Lead Vehicle Start Alert. All 2024 Subaru BRZ models equipped with a manual transmission will include EyeSight as standard equipment.

The latest generation BRZ has bold styling that is as impressive as its handling prowess. The overall impression is modern, agile and powerful, with focused and functional aerodynamic details. The tidy coupe design cuts through the air with a low and wide frontal area set off by large functional air intakes and a low grille capped by proud fender arches that allow just enough room for suspension points. At the rear of the car, the large rear fenders and wide track flow into dual exhausts for a low and wide stance. This visual heft is lightened by a narrow greenhouse and rear hatch that flow into a dramatic upturned "ducktail" rear spoiler.

Externally, the BRZ tS is distinguished by tS badging in the front grille and on the rear decklid. The exterior foldable mirrors and roof-mounted shark fin antenna come in a Crystal Black Silica finish. The tS will be available in all colors for the 2024 BRZ model line, all of which will be complemented by standard 18-inch aluminum alloy wheels in dark gray finish.

Inside, the BRZ tS cabin is wrapped in black upholstery with tS-only contrasting blue stitching on the front seat bolsters, leather-wrapped steering wheel, shifter boot and parking brake boot. Standard performance-design front seats with height-adjustable head restraints feature a blue leather accent down the middle. The leather-wrapped steering wheel integrates control switches for audio, cruise control and Bluetooth. BRIN NAUB® nubuck-like material enhances the instrument panel visor and door trim. The iconic STI logo is displayed on the red starter button and customizable 7-inch digital instrument cluster, also updated with tS-exclusive red accents.

The 2024 BRZ tS is powered by the platform's 2.4-liter (naturally aspirated) 228 hp SUBARU BOXER® engine paired with a six-speed close-ratio manual transmission. The BRZ comes equipped with a comprehensive list of standard features including a TORSEN® limited-slip differential; Keyless Access with Push-Button Start; LED headlights (low and high beam) with automatic height adjustment; Vehicle Stability Control with Track Mode; dual-zone automatic climate control; Incline Start Assist; power fuel-door lock; power windows with auto up/down and pinch protection; rear center console storage box with dual USB-A input/charge ports and auxiliary input jack; variable intermittent windshield wipers with speed-sensing mist feature; and Welcome Lighting.

Based on the Limited trim, the tS also includes heated exterior power mirrors; upgraded audio system that includes a 2-channel amplifier and two additional speakers; Blind-Spot Detection with Lane Keep Assist and Rear Cross-Traffic Alert; Steering Responsive Headlights; and STARLINK® Safety and Security.

The BRZ tS was unveiled at 2023 Subiefest California at Santa Anita Park in Arcadia, California to thousands of Subaru enthusiasts. The event, one of the largest annual gatherings of Subaru fans worldwide, made headlines in 2020 when it broke GUINNESS WORLD RECORDS title for the largest parade of Subaru cars with 1,751 Subaru vehicles, spanning two miles.

Pricing for the new 2024 Subaru BRZ tS will be announced later this year.

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Old 07-24-2023, 01:03 PM   #432
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Damn, no wing in the back? How am I gonna be distinguished from the peasants now?
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Old 07-24-2023, 03:34 PM   #433
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So it is essentially last gen's performance pack, now labeled as the Ts...
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Old 07-24-2023, 03:51 PM   #434
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Damn, no wing in the back? How am I gonna be distinguished from the peasants now?
The gold 4-pot 2-pot Brembos should make your BRZ TS stand out when it's on a lift next to the 'peasant' model while they are both having their engines replaced due to spun bearings.
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Old 07-24-2023, 04:00 PM   #435
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The gold 4-pot 2-pot Brembos should make your BRZ TS stand out when it's on a lift next to the 'peasant' model while they are both having their engines replaced due to spun bearings.
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Old 07-24-2023, 04:35 PM   #436
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"Hi Uhh, this is SOA? Okay, so I bought this Ts BRZ and took it to my favorite Canyon drive that my old 09 Evo had no problem tackling, and for some reason as I was making this right around this Bend, my car lost oil pressure. Can I get a tow?"
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Old 07-24-2023, 05:42 PM   #437
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Why on earth can’t they make the WRX look like this? The BRZ tS looks great!

If the WRX had all of these goodies, plus adaptive cruise with the manual, and the looks of the BRZ (re: REMOVE THE UNPAINTED PLASTIC GARBAGE FFS) the car would be a home run from a daily driver perspective.
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Old 07-24-2023, 08:16 PM   #438
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Not rice enough for me, but I'm glad it exists. Needs more STI aero and matte finish wheels.
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Old 07-24-2023, 11:38 PM   #440
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Great package.

Subaru does a good job of make themselves look like complete morons.

They call the sti badging / logo iconic, absolutely it is and arguably a top tier Japanese performance symbol, but they make themselves look so bad. So iconic yet you didn’t wanna bite the bullet and lose money on every car you sell despite 20 years of loyalty.


To rub more salt in the wounds they bring back the historically popular and now “iconic” gold and red script brembos. Since 2008 people have been crying for them to come back on forum boards and your own customers feedback, and you finally decide to bring them back when the Sti is gone yet the last brake sets where known for being ugly (yellow 18+) and turning brown after hard use (08-14)
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I am pretty surprised there is no spoiler. hmm
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Or, again, no aero. Looks so plain without it.
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If Toyota throw's a 3 cyl turbo in their version, it will be over for this car. Unless... They make the power only "Slightly" better than the N/A FA.
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Won't happen as long as the Supra exists. Current model is well received. Doesn't need extra weight and turbo lag.
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Won't happen as long as the Supra exists. Current model is well received. Doesn't need extra weight and turbo lag.
the weight of the turbo FA24 is 190 KG
https://mymotorlist.com/engines/subaru/fa24/

the weight of the G16E-GTS is 109 KG
https://toyota-club.net/files/faq/20...-engine_en.htm

it sucks to have to carry around the extra weight needed for twice as much valvetrain, and an extra cylinder.

it is a pretty tall engine, so fully dressed, that might actually be a problem with hood clearance, but I haven't done the math.
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the weight of the turbo FA24 is 190 KG
https://mymotorlist.com/engines/subaru/fa24/

the weight of the G16E-GTS is 109 KG
https://toyota-club.net/files/faq/20...-engine_en.htm

it sucks to have to carry around the extra weight needed for twice as much valvetrain, and an extra cylinder.

it is a pretty tall engine, so fully dressed, that might actually be a problem with hood clearance, but I haven't done the math.
They've already put the engine into the GR86, it fits. https://www.thedrive.com/news/toyota...ylinder-engine

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Actually, I like that it's lighter. That's nice. Thanks for that.

What about the engine sitting higher, plus turbo lag, complexity and cost? No doubt they'd price this thing at mid-$40k. High $30k would be cool.

I don't mind it as an option for people who want it and can actually afford it, but I don't want it to replace the NA engine.
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Actually, I like that it's lighter. That's nice. Thanks for that.

What about the engine sitting higher, plus turbo lag, complexity and cost? No doubt they'd price this thing at mid-$40k. High $30k would be cool.

I don't mind it as an option for people who want it and can actually afford it, but I don't want it to replace the NA engine.
To the engine "sitting higher":
With regards to affecting the cars center of gravity, I doubt it will be perceivable if it even affects the COG in a meaningful/measurable way; the Supra has a lower COG than the 86/BRZ does.
With regards to hood clearance: It's entirely possible that the Toyota test mules are using a dry sump system for increase clearance & more consistent oiling at track, highly doubtful a factory dry sump would make it to a production model. However, if that is the case, the engine can be tilted/slanted/rotated to increase hood clearance, or, a bulged hood could be used for additional clearance (similar to the GRC).

To Turbo lag: From what I've read/watched, yeah, there is turbo lag, not abysmal 80s/90's turbo lag, but near STi levels of Turbo lag.

IF it happens, pricing is going to be what Pricing is, but I'd think under $40k w/premium interior - more than the existing top trims, but not as much as a base Supra 2.0.

I mean, they just released the 2nd gen twins, I don't think that a gen 2.5/refresh would get a new mill under the hood, no matter how much I want it, but I'd like to be wrong on that point.
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To the engine "sitting higher":
With regards to affecting the cars center of gravity, I doubt it will be perceivable if it even affects the COG in a meaningful/measurable way; the Supra has a lower COG than the 86/BRZ does.
With regards to hood clearance: It's entirely possible that the Toyota test mules are using a dry sump system for increase clearance & more consistent oiling at track, highly doubtful a factory dry sump would make it to a production model. However, if that is the case, the engine can be tilted/slanted/rotated to increase hood clearance, or, a bulged hood could be used for additional clearance (similar to the GRC).

To Turbo lag: From what I've read/watched, yeah, there is turbo lag, not abysmal 80s/90's turbo lag, but near STi levels of Turbo lag.

IF it happens, pricing is going to be what Pricing is, but I'd think under $40k w/premium interior - more than the existing top trims, but not as much as a base Supra 2.0.

I mean, they just released the 2nd gen twins, I don't think that a gen 2.5/refresh would get a new mill under the hood, no matter how much I want it, but I'd like to be wrong on that point.

Not to disagree; but.....
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...-claim-tested/


I agree, though, with your statement that...would it really matter for the average buyer or even one that likes to play? I'd think(total novice here) that it would only truly matter for the super serious folks.
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Just tip the engine over like a slant 6. Problem solved.
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