Your predictions of Subaru's future model line up

only1agam · 05-12-2004, 11:58 AM

My predictions are as follows:

The new 7 passenger
The new sedan based off of new 7 pax
The Outback
THe Legacy
The Forester
The Impreza
A new replacement for Baja

Thats wat i predict will be a future line up for Subaru wat do yall think?

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amdmaxx · 05-12-2004, 12:40 PM

Legacy STi for 2006..
2006 Impreza new model...
2009 - Legacy redesign, 2007 - current Legacy facelift..

slcwrx · 05-12-2004, 01:18 PM

Let us not forget the Forester STi

Achilles38WRX · 05-12-2004, 01:39 PM

Impreza/Outback sports
Legacy/Outbacks
Forester
7 Passenger SUV
B9 Roadster

some form of hybrid.

Jon [in CT] · 05-12-2004, 02:23 PM

Subaru will introduce its Next Generation New Platform (N-PF) for compacts (Impreza, Forester) as well as its Next Generation Hybrid Power Source (N-PS, aka SSHEV) sometime around the 2nd quarter of 2006. The new Subaru flagship 7-passenger vehicle will be introduced around the end of the 1st quarter of 2005. Graphically, the Subaru's product plans look like this:

KanosWRX · 05-12-2004, 02:41 PM

I just hope they will have STI's and Legecy's that don't look like the concept cars they have shown at car shows in 2007. Thats when I plan on buying a new car. Still gonna keep the WRX, don't ever want to give up my classic Bug Eyes

_mo_ · 05-12-2004, 03:15 PM

"new flagship car for North America"

Will that be the 7 pax? or the rumored sedan based off the 7 pax?

What I want:

B9sc (or other roadster)
Impreza
Forester
Legacy
Outback
Full Sized Sedan
7 Pax

Pleyades · 05-12-2004, 03:22 PM

My guesses:

R1e (Europe + Asia only?)
Scrambler (B9, hope so

...)
Impreza/Impreza Outback Sport
Cross-Sports Forester/Forester
Legacy/Legacy Outback
New Flagship/7-Passenger

I think now they'll have a cross-over/SUV form for every model, although I think it'll change as the years go by.

Just some thoughts

_mo_ · 05-12-2004, 04:10 PM

I could also see, as others have noted before, getting rid of the impreza wagon and outback sport altogether and focusing on the Forester.

mo

subyfanatic · 05-12-2004, 05:46 PM

Hopefully they really mean global, I don't think it would be wise to exclude North America on the R1e. With rising gas prices and higher demand for smaller alternative fuel vehicles it would be silly to not offer a Prius competitor. I predict the following in the next 5 model years-

Flagship Car = Large luxury sedan
Flagship Coupe = B11S
SUV = 7 Pax
Minivan = Traviq
Mid-Size SUV = Forester
Mid-Size Car = Legacy line
Compact Car = Impreza line
Compact SUV = Justy GX
Sub-Compact = R1e Hybrid
Roadster = B9 Scrambler

STi variations of Forester, Legacy, and Impreza.
Prodrive variations of all other models instead of LL Bean badging.

el~sharko · 05-12-2004, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by _mo_
I could also see, as others have noted before, getting rid of the impreza wagon and outback sport altogether and focusing on the Forester.

mo

I bet subaru has no intentions on getting rid of their wagons. Atleast 50% of the impreza's i see are wagons. A lot of those people aren't just gonna buy a forester or an impreza sedan after they get rid of wagons. Most "wagon people" love their wagons.

Jon [in CT] · 05-12-2004, 07:36 PM

I bet FHI does ditches the name Impreza in 2006.

From the opening to a Seinfeld episode:

Quote:

I like the names they have for cars. Like, no baron has ever owned a LeBaron. Or the Ford LTD. "LTD." Limited. It's a "limited" edition...what did they make, fifty million of those? "Yes, it's 'limited' to the number we can sell." Or when they try and mangle a positive word into a car name, you know how they'll do that? The "Integra." Oh, integrity? No, Integra. The "Supra." Or the "Impreza." Yeah? Well, I hope it's not a "lemona"...or you'll be hearing from my "lawya."

333 · 05-12-2004, 10:14 PM

Knowing Subaru they'll probably just cut off or add pieces to their cars and call it a new car (Baja, Outback). I hope not though.
I can't figure out why they have waited so long to make a full size 7 passenger SUV... can't imagine the sales they've lost not having one (at least in the US). I could see them making an Impreza Hybrid and calling it something else.

brizey · 05-12-2004, 10:54 PM

Crossing fingers for 2006 Legacy STi.

gumby1976 · 05-13-2004, 12:14 AM

Here is my thinking

7 pax suv
Dakota sized pickup
legacy sedan, wagon, and COUPE sti model late 05
impreza sedan & wagon
STi as coupe or sedan
forester w/ a STi model by 07
new smaller rally car platform (think Pug. 206 size)
minivan = traviq
Baja gets the axe in MY06

Kostamojen · 05-13-2004, 03:02 AM

Impreza
Legacy
Outback
7-Seater
Hybrid car

Thats the general view of what I think they will do, in fact probably do. The 7 seater we know is coming, and the Hybrid will be required to offset CAFE.

Chromer · 05-13-2004, 08:49 AM

Hmmm... EPA has just announced a timetable for low-sulphur diesel. I wonder if we'll see a diesel boxer and a diesel/electric hybrid making the rounds of the car shows before long?

max_stirling · 05-13-2004, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gumby1976
Here is my thinking

7 pax suv
Dakota sized pickup
legacy sedan, wagon, and COUPE sti model late 05
impreza sedan & wagon
STi as coupe or sedan
forester w/ a STi model by 07
new smaller rally car platform (think Pug. 206 size)
minivan = traviq
Baja gets the axe in MY06

With all due respect, I highly doubt there will be either a pickup of any size or a minivan and here's why. First of all, a pickup the size of a Dakota or of any size really, will require a ladder frame and a big V6, neither of which Subaru has. The only possibility here is a re-badged GM car, even that is highly unprobable since Subaru wants to move upscale and trucks won't help that image.

The only other option for a pickup would be a unibody chassis, a la Honda's Odessy based concept. I think Subaru has learned their lesson with the Baja.

Re the minivan, that is the whole purpose of the 7 Pax. Minivans were hot at one point, but has since been replaced by SUV's. Sure, SUV are rough and don't have the handling of even a minivan, but that's why they have evolved to crossover SUV's that have the space of a minivan with the rugged look of an SUV and the handling of a car.

I don't know what Subaru will do other than what's already been confirmed (7 Pax), but I would love to see a STi lineup along the lines of AMG. I'm personally waiting for a Forester STi. Don't worry, I'm not holding my breath.

I also think there will be a real sports car, not a SVX, but something more along the lines of the old XT. Two doors, two seats, AWD with two engine choices, 250HP 2.5L H4 Turbo and a 3.7L 375HP H6 Turbo. The current NA 3.0 H6 is terribly redunant compared to the 2.5 H4 Turbo. Sure it's aimed at a more refined ride, but I've read that the H4 Turbo can be tuned to be just as smooth and refined.

This thing could be a real contender for a Porsche 911 Carrera 4 for less than half the price. Heck, there could even be a 450HP STi 3.7L H6.

_mo_ · 05-13-2004, 10:42 AM

Always good to hear your thoughts Max...cuz you have an awesome name!

I agree that we won't see a pickup as big as a dakota...especially the next gen dakota. However, I think Subaru has demonstrated that they recognize how big the pickup market is in the US and I would be suprised if they give up on it this soon. I would love to see a new Baja-like vehicle but based on the new 7pax platform.

mo

only1agam · 05-13-2004, 11:46 AM

my hopes

an sti model line up (like AMG)

A separation of Impreza and WRX ( just like separation of Outback and Legacy)

Forester will stay

a return of the svx (like the revival of the brat into baja)

Outback/Legacy will stay

make Impreza more of a premium car against likes of jetta

the 7 pax

the fullsize car based off of the 7pax

the R1e

Achilles38WRX · 05-13-2004, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jon [in CT]

From the opening to a Seinfeld episode:

damn snobby porcheifiles!

subyfanatic · 05-13-2004, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by max_stirling
With all due respect, I highly doubt there will be either a pickup of any size or a minivan and here's why. First of all, a pickup the size of a Dakota or of any size really, will require a ladder frame and a big V6, neither of which Subaru has. The only possibility here is a re-badged GM car, even that is highly unprobable since Subaru wants to move upscale and trucks won't help that image.

The only other option for a pickup would be a unibody chassis, a la Honda's Odessy based concept. I think Subaru has learned their lesson with the Baja.

Re the minivan, that is the whole purpose of the 7 Pax. Minivans were hot at one point, but has since been replaced by SUV's. Sure, SUV are rough and don't have the handling of even a minivan, but that's why they have evolved to crossover SUV's that have the space of a minivan with the rugged look of an SUV and the handling of a car.

I don't know what Subaru will do other than what's already been confirmed (7 Pax), but I would love to see a STi lineup along the lines of AMG. I'm personally waiting for a Forester STi. Don't worry, I'm not holding my breath.

I also think there will be a real sports car, not a SVX, but something more along the lines of the old XT. Two doors, two seats, AWD with two engine choices, 250HP 2.5L H4 Turbo and a 3.7L 375HP H6 Turbo. The current NA 3.0 H6 is terribly redunant compared to the 2.5 H4 Turbo. Sure it's aimed at a more refined ride, but I've read that the H4 Turbo can be tuned to be just as smooth and refined.

This thing could be a real contender for a Porsche 911 Carrera 4 for less than half the price. Heck, there could even be a 450HP STi 3.7L H6.

Even though it's all speculation here, I disagree on your view of the minivan. I don't see a full size pick up added in the Subaru line up for the simple reason that it doesn't fit in their global plan right now. It has nothing to do with developing a truck frame because they'd easily be able to adapt their boxer engine to a GM truck frame and can even use an Isuzu frame. A minivan is easy to add especially if they decide to transfer the Traviq to the USA, which is currently also used by Opel, since GM owns that. The minivan has not been replaced by the SUV if you take a look at current trends. Sales of some SUVs are slowing down while the Nissan Quest and Toyota Sienna are gaining market share. The big family hauler is no longer the craze is used to be because, for the majority of people, it's not really practical for everyday use. That was my reason for speculating they'd add a minivan to the lineup versus a pick up. I do agree that many companies have evolved the SUV into tall car-based wagons to make for better ride and performance but, there's definitely a loyal van market out there that can't be ignored.

SUBE555 · 05-13-2004, 11:31 PM

Heh, that's really not too bad of a look IMO, even though I'm not a big fan of that type of headlight, the execution of that look looks a bit better. It appears to have lines from a number of different vehicles. Even enough space for that front place.

max_stirling · 05-18-2004, 12:17 PM

The upside down Alfa grill is starting to grow on me too, but I'm skeptical of how that grill will look on other models. The roadster reminds me of the BMW Z8. Strong and sleek, but not as feminine, sexy like a Ferrari.

To be honest, I'm sort of a Mazdaphile, but there are no Mazda's on my short list of possible vehicle purchases and 2 Subaru's (FXT and STi). I still think Mazda design, especially in the last couple of years, have been very attractive while Subaru designed (excluding new Legacy sedan, the wagon still seems a bit odd) is lacking or too angular without being stylist.

Subaru's strongest attributes are the AWD system, the flexibility of it's flat 4 (170HP, 250HP, 300HP) and value. That is why the Forester and the STi are on my list and the Mazda6 and Mazda3 are not though I find them much more attractive. Large aftermarket support for the H4 turbo is also a big bonus.

Of course, this could change if a Turbo/Supercharged Mazdaspeed RX-8 or a 4th gen RX-7 makes to market.

05-12-2004, 11:58 AM	#1
only1agam Scooby Specialist Member#: 56183 Join Date: Feb 2004 Chapter/Region: South East	YOUR predictions of Subaru's future model line up My predictions are as follows: The new 7 passenger The new sedan based off of new 7 pax The Outback THe Legacy The Forester The Impreza A new replacement for Baja Thats wat i predict will be a future line up for Subaru wat do yall think? * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

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05-12-2004, 12:40 PM	#2
amdmaxx Scooby Specialist Member#: 31665 Join Date: Jan 2003 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: Northern NJ, USA Vehicle: 2006 Saab 9-2x Aero Black	Legacy STi for 2006.. 2006 Impreza new model... 2009 - Legacy redesign, 2007 - current Legacy facelift..

05-12-2004, 01:18 PM	#3
slcwrx Scooby Newbie Member#: 43032 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: SLC, Utah Vehicle: 2004 WRX Silver	Let us not forget the Forester STi

05-12-2004, 01:39 PM	#4
Achilles38WRX Scooby Guru Member#: 4419 Join Date: Feb 2001 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Carol Stream, IL Vehicle: 2002 S2K - 2013 ISP i don't have a wrx	Impreza/Outback sports Legacy/Outbacks Forester 7 Passenger SUV B9 Roadster some form of hybrid.

05-12-2004, 02:23 PM	#5
Jon [in CT] * Banned * Member#: 2992 Join Date: Nov 2000 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Connecticut, USA Vehicle: 02 WRX Sedan Silver	Subaru will introduce its Next Generation New Platform (N-PF) for compacts (Impreza, Forester) as well as its Next Generation Hybrid Power Source (N-PS, aka SSHEV) sometime around the 2nd quarter of 2006. The new Subaru flagship 7-passenger vehicle will be introduced around the end of the 1st quarter of 2005. Graphically, the Subaru's product plans look like this:

05-12-2004, 02:41 PM	#6
KanosWRX Scooby Specialist Member#: 17904 Join Date: Apr 2002 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: NOVA -> HI -> NOVA Vehicle: 010 STI Black	I just hope they will have STI's and Legecy's that don't look like the concept cars they have shown at car shows in 2007. Thats when I plan on buying a new car. Still gonna keep the WRX, don't ever want to give up my classic Bug Eyes

05-12-2004, 03:15 PM	#7
_mo_ Scooby Newbie Member#: 34001 Join Date: Mar 2003 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: New Market, MD Vehicle: 2003 WRX WR Blue	"new flagship car for North America" Will that be the 7 pax? or the rumored sedan based off the 7 pax? What I want: B9sc (or other roadster) Impreza Forester Legacy Outback Full Sized Sedan 7 Pax

05-12-2004, 03:22 PM	#8
Pleyades Scooby Newbie Member#: 36952 Join Date: May 2003 Location: Barcelona, CATALUNYA Vehicle: 99 Legacy Outback Green	My guesses: R1e (Europe + Asia only?) Scrambler (B9, hope so ...) Impreza/Impreza Outback Sport Cross-Sports Forester/Forester Legacy/Legacy Outback New Flagship/7-Passenger I think now they'll have a cross-over/SUV form for every model, although I think it'll change as the years go by. Just some thoughts

05-12-2004, 04:10 PM	#9
_mo_ Scooby Newbie Member#: 34001 Join Date: Mar 2003 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: New Market, MD Vehicle: 2003 WRX WR Blue	I could also see, as others have noted before, getting rid of the impreza wagon and outback sport altogether and focusing on the Forester. mo

05-12-2004, 05:46 PM	#10
subyfanatic Scooby Specialist Member#: 18276 Join Date: May 2002 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Treasure Coast, FL Vehicle: 07 1990 Breadbox FEEL THE LOVE	Hopefully they really mean global, I don't think it would be wise to exclude North America on the R1e. With rising gas prices and higher demand for smaller alternative fuel vehicles it would be silly to not offer a Prius competitor. I predict the following in the next 5 model years- Flagship Car = Large luxury sedan Flagship Coupe = B11S SUV = 7 Pax Minivan = Traviq Mid-Size SUV = Forester Mid-Size Car = Legacy line Compact Car = Impreza line Compact SUV = Justy GX Sub-Compact = R1e Hybrid Roadster = B9 Scrambler STi variations of Forester, Legacy, and Impreza. Prodrive variations of all other models instead of LL Bean badging.

05-12-2004, 10:14 PM	#13
333 Scooby Newbie Member#: 61074 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Concord, NH Vehicle: 1996 outback white	Knowing Subaru they'll probably just cut off or add pieces to their cars and call it a new car (Baja, Outback). I hope not though. I can't figure out why they have waited so long to make a full size 7 passenger SUV... can't imagine the sales they've lost not having one (at least in the US). I could see them making an Impreza Hybrid and calling it something else.

05-12-2004, 10:54 PM	#14
brizey Scooby Specialist Member#: 36505 Join Date: May 2003 Chapter/Region: TXIC Location: Dallas Metro Vehicle: 2004 Forester XT PSM 2007 Acura RDX w/Tech CBP	Crossing fingers for 2006 Legacy STi.

05-13-2004, 12:14 AM	#15
gumby1976 Scooby Newbie Member#: 26248 Join Date: Oct 2002 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Earth, I think. Vehicle: 2018 Crosstrek Ice Silver	Here is my thinking 7 pax suv Dakota sized pickup legacy sedan, wagon, and COUPE sti model late 05 impreza sedan & wagon STi as coupe or sedan forester w/ a STi model by 07 new smaller rally car platform (think Pug. 206 size) minivan = traviq Baja gets the axe in MY06

05-13-2004, 03:02 AM	#16
Kostamojen Scooby Guru Member#: 2272 Join Date: Sep 2000 Chapter/Region: BAIC Location: Fire Caves Vehicle: 2019 Macan 4cyl 1993 Impreza FWD WRX swap	Impreza Legacy Outback 7-Seater Hybrid car Thats the general view of what I think they will do, in fact probably do. The 7 seater we know is coming, and the Hybrid will be required to offset CAFE.

05-13-2004, 08:49 AM	#17
Chromer Scooby Specialist Member#: 20325 Join Date: Jun 2002 Chapter/Region: NESIC Vehicle: 08 Yamaha WR250R 07 Suzuki DL650	Hmmm... EPA has just announced a timetable for low-sulphur diesel. I wonder if we'll see a diesel boxer and a diesel/electric hybrid making the rounds of the car shows before long?

05-13-2004, 10:42 AM	#19
_mo_ Scooby Newbie Member#: 34001 Join Date: Mar 2003 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: New Market, MD Vehicle: 2003 WRX WR Blue	Always good to hear your thoughts Max...cuz you have an awesome name! I agree that we won't see a pickup as big as a dakota...especially the next gen dakota. However, I think Subaru has demonstrated that they recognize how big the pickup market is in the US and I would be suprised if they give up on it this soon. I would love to see a new Baja-like vehicle but based on the new 7pax platform. mo

05-13-2004, 11:46 AM	#20
only1agam Scooby Specialist Member#: 56183 Join Date: Feb 2004 Chapter/Region: South East	my hopes an sti model line up (like AMG) A separation of Impreza and WRX ( just like separation of Outback and Legacy) Forester will stay a return of the svx (like the revival of the brat into baja) Outback/Legacy will stay make Impreza more of a premium car against likes of jetta the 7 pax the fullsize car based off of the 7pax the R1e

05-13-2004, 11:31 PM	#23
SUBE555 Scooby Specialist Member#: 24043 Join Date: Sep 2002 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Oshkosh, WI Vehicle: 2014 BMW 335i Sedan Silver	Heh, that's really not too bad of a look IMO, even though I'm not a big fan of that type of headlight, the execution of that look looks a bit better. It appears to have lines from a number of different vehicles. Even enough space for that front place.

05-18-2004, 12:17 PM	#24
max_stirling Scooby Specialist Member#: 44010 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Springfield, VA Vehicle: 2004 Cayenne Turbo Black	The upside down Alfa grill is starting to grow on me too, but I'm skeptical of how that grill will look on other models. The roadster reminds me of the BMW Z8. Strong and sleek, but not as feminine, sexy like a Ferrari. To be honest, I'm sort of a Mazdaphile, but there are no Mazda's on my short list of possible vehicle purchases and 2 Subaru's (FXT and STi). I still think Mazda design, especially in the last couple of years, have been very attractive while Subaru designed (excluding new Legacy sedan, the wagon still seems a bit odd) is lacking or too angular without being stylist. Subaru's strongest attributes are the AWD system, the flexibility of it's flat 4 (170HP, 250HP, 300HP) and value. That is why the Forester and the STi are on my list and the Mazda6 and Mazda3 are not though I find them much more attractive. Large aftermarket support for the H4 turbo is also a big bonus. Of course, this could change if a Turbo/Supercharged Mazdaspeed RX-8 or a 4th gen RX-7 makes to market.