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Old 02-08-2017, 02:34 PM   #51
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Seriously, why would you buy a car with an unreliable engine that was honestly outdated ten years ago () when it's going to be updated in a couple more years?

Don't give them your money for an STI. Give it to them for a WRX.

Or better yet... an R, S3, etc. to hold you off.
LOL calls STi "unreliable" suggests...wait for it...VW and Audi..Hahaha! Is this real life ?
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Old 02-08-2017, 02:39 PM   #52
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LOL calls STi "unreliable" suggests...wait for it...VW and Audi...HAHHAHAHA!
Did you have something intelligent to add? Or just want to keep ****ing that chicken?

What year do you think it is?

At some point, you're going to have to let the stereotypes go and reality set back in.

I said the EJ255/7 has reliability issues, not the STI as a whole. It most certainly does.

The later TSIs are very well built, and aren't prone to detonation (and cracked pistons) like the over-square EJ25. They haven't see nearly the same issues as the EJ255/7. They were built from the ground-up to be turbocharged, whereas moving the EJ20 to a 2.5l, without being able to expand the stroke, created issues.

But anyway, great contribution(!)

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Old 02-08-2017, 02:46 PM   #53
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What year do you think it is? At some point, you're going to have to let the stereotypes go and reality set back in.

I said the EJ255/7 has reliability issues, not the STI as a whole. It most certainly does.

The later TSIs are very well built. They haven't see nearly the same issues as the EJ255/7.

But anyway, great contribution!
It is 2017 and the TSI as well as VW products in general continue to use cheap mechanical parts that will fail and costs thousands in the long run due to overcomplicated design AKA "German engineering" wink, wink. The poor dealer service will likely have no idea what is wrong with the car and why it is keeps on lighting up your dash like a Christmas tree. Then they will you know, call an "engineer" to fly over from Germany to "take a look at the car" while you spend weeks in a rental .
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Old 02-08-2017, 02:51 PM   #54
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Done with VW. If they made a Jetta-R that would be a different story... I don't do hatchbacks.
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Old 02-08-2017, 02:53 PM   #55
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It is 2017 and the TSI as well as VW products in general continue to use cheap mechanical parts that will fail and costs thousands in the long run due to overcomplicated design AKA "German engineering" wink, wink. The poor dealer service will likely have no idea what is wrong with the car and why it is keeps on lighting up your dash like a Christmas tree. Then they will you know, call an "engineer" to fly over from Germany to "take a look at the car" while you spend weeks in a rental .
You're completely ridiculous. The modern engine in your WRX is every bit as "complicated" as the TSI. The upgraded internals on the S3/R's TSI don't break into pieces with alarming frequency. The EJs do.

You want to turn this into some "German over-complicated, unreliable" pissing match. No thanks.

We're talking SPECIFICALLY about the motor.

There's nothing more complicated about the FA20DIT than the TSI, so stop.

The new TSIs haven't been failing, so stop.

Stop making **** up.

And if you haven't looked in the last, oh 5 years, Subaru reliability ratings aren't exactly what they used to be. Not that you would.

If anything, you should be happy. I've told him I think the WRX is the no-brainer choice in his situation.

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Old 02-08-2017, 03:04 PM   #56
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You're completely ridiculous. The engine in your WRX is every bit as "complicated" as the TSI. The upgraded internals on the S3/R's TSI don't break into pieces with alarming frequency. The EJs do.

You want to turn this into some "German over-complicated, unreliable" pissing match. No thanks.

We're talking SPECIFICALLY about the motor.

There's nothing more complicated about the FA20DIT than the TSI, so stop.

The new TSIs haven't been failing, so stop.

Stop making **** up.
I wish I was making it up since I lost thousands of dollars in the process so I am going to agree to disagree and move on.There is a good reason Subaru outsells VW here, has much better resale value, costumer retention and reliability ratings but hey those are just facts and figures.
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I'm actually in the market for a golf tdi. Extremely hard to find them now.. Should have pulled the plug during the fall of 16.
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Old 02-10-2017, 09:51 AM   #58
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I wish I was making it up since I lost thousands of dollars in the process so I am going to agree to disagree and move on.There is a good reason Subaru outsells VW here, has much better resale value, costumer retention and reliability ratings but hey those are just facts and figures.
What some people have trouble understanding is that the main demographic that gets STI's has the biggest influence on it's 'reliability'.
Same reason insurance is more expensive for people under 25.
If S4's or 340's costs $35k bran new, guess what. . . . they'd have 'reliability' issues as well.
I mean for god's sake, what year did they start putting a rev limiter on the engine?
Why do you think they did that? Because when people over rev it and blow it up they get on a forum and discuss the reliability of the EJ rather than recognizing they are morons and don't understand what reciprocation is and why there is a limit of safe operation.
Or they tune the crap out of it for max power on a piece of paper and don't realize THEY are responsible for the detonation, not the f-ing bore/stroke ratio.
Tune any motor on earth for max power right on the brink of detonation and the pistons will fail.
Do that to the FA and the pistons will fail.
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Old 02-11-2017, 12:35 AM   #59
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I am a huge Subaru fan and have owned 5 subaru's over the last 12 years. I wanted to buy another Subaru, but I was mad when subaru did not update to a modern engine in the sti. I am also mad they do not offer a hatch in wrx/sti. So I bought a ford focus rs. I put my money where my mouth was. I paid under msrp. Why not cross shop focus rs? Go test drive one.
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I wish I was making it up since I lost thousands of dollars in the process so I am going to agree to disagree and move on.There is a good reason Subaru outsells VW here, has much better resale value, costumer retention and reliability ratings but hey those are just facts and figures.
Because sales figures are the ultimate measure of a vehicle, right?



Also, you might want to take a look at this. As far as reliability is concerned, Subaru and VW are about equal. And they're both pretty far down the list.

http://www.jdpower.com/press-release...lity-study-vds

Aren't facts and figures fun?
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Old 02-11-2017, 03:55 PM   #61
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Because sales figures are the ultimate measure of a vehicle, right?



Also, you might want to take a look at this. As far as reliability is concerned, Subaru and VW are about equal. And they're both pretty far down the list.

http://www.jdpower.com/press-release...lity-study-vds

Aren't facts and figures fun?
Yeap and Subaru is still ahead of VW in EVERYTHING I posted. Resale value is HUGE so is costumer retention and overall better reliability..yeap FACTS and figures. Thanks for proving my point. Whoa And the WRX/STI still outsell the GTI/R, considering the huge discounts on the GTI vs the WRX...Subaru must be doing something right. I am really glad they are doing so well! And considering the crowd STI/WRX attract, I am actually very surprised how little issues these cars have.
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Yeap and Subaru is still ahead of VW in EVERYTHING I posted. Resale value is HUGE so is costumer retention and overall better reliability..yeap FACTS and figures. Thanks for proving my point. Whoa And the WRX/STI still outsell the GTI/R, considering the huge discounts on the GTI vs the WRX...Subaru must be doing something right. I am really glad they are doing so well! And considering the crowd STI/WRX attract, I am actually very surprised how little issues these cars have.
How little issues they have? What planet do you live on? The fact that the STI is antiquated by today's standards and Subaru still hasn't gotten it right with the EJ25, despite the fact it's 14 years old?

You claimed Subaru has much better reliability. I showed you that's not true, yet you choose to ignore that.

Can't reason with a fanboy. Not sure why I even try.
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What some people have trouble understanding is that the main demographic that gets STI's has the biggest influence on it's 'reliability'.
Same reason insurance is more expensive for people under 25.
If S4's or 340's costs $35k bran new, guess what. . . . they'd have 'reliability' issues as well.
I mean for god's sake, what year did they start putting a rev limiter on the engine?
Why do you think they did that? Because when people over rev it and blow it up they get on a forum and discuss the reliability of the EJ rather than recognizing they are morons and don't understand what reciprocation is and why there is a limit of safe operation.
Or they tune the crap out of it for max power on a piece of paper and don't realize THEY are responsible for the detonation, not the f-ing bore/stroke ratio.
Tune any motor on earth for max power right on the brink of detonation and the pistons will fail.
Do that to the FA and the pistons will fail.
Completely tired of your constant, defensive, BS.

Plenty of piston failures occur at stock power, as any search will reveal. There's a gigantic thread on it. As respected tuners have attested to, as SOA employees have admitted.

For the, what, 5th time, post your god damn ME diploma, or edit your completely BS profile. Seriously, we live in the same town. I'll stop by your office. You claim to be an ME, yet lack even the most basic knowledge of physics. The bore/stroke ratio of an engine has no effect on the tendency of an engine to detonate?

Really?

Really?

You actually want to post that on a public forum? Embarrass yourself more...

I'm serious, enough already. You are confronted with well-understood principles and explanations of root-causes of issues, and your responses are limited to "nu-uh!". Like a freaking 10 year old girl.

Either post rational thoughts, supported by physics, or S T F U. AKA...tell us how an over-square engine isn't more prone to detonation, despite that it has always been well-established that it is.

This is like the 5th time I've called you out for being a complete fraud. Post your ME degree. I'm happy to do the same.





Yeah, I'm mad. This JO is freaking unbelievable.

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Old 02-12-2017, 03:09 PM   #64
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How little issues they have? What planet do you live on? The fact that the STI is antiquated by today's standards and Subaru still hasn't gotten it right with the EJ25, despite the fact it's 14 years old?

You claimed Subaru has much better reliability. I showed you that's not true, yet you choose to ignore that.

Can't reason with a fanboy. Not sure why I even try.
I have little to no brand loyalty to either one, maybe I would be considered a BMW fanboy if anything. I don't have a STI, but my WRX so far at least, has been stellar and better than every VW I have ever owned. It is actually refreshing.
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I have little to no brand loyalty to either one, maybe I would be considered a BMW fanboy if anything. I don't have a STI, but my WRX so far at least, has been stellar and better than every VW I have ever owned. It is actually refreshing.
I think the WRX and the FA have been at least decent so far, no one has said anything different. No question on the resale front. It's one of the reasons I've supported buying an STI despite it's issues to certain people.

That being said, not sure why you chime in relying on the reliability of your WRX, when we're taking about the STI here. You simply can't make blanket statements about entire brands based off your individual experience.

The fact is, as a whole, VW has gotten better, Subaru has gotten worse. Is Subaru still the more reliable brand, as a whole? OK, sure. But that doesn't mean you recommend buying an STI over something like an R based on reliability.
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I think the WRX and the FA have been at least decent so far, no one has said anything different. No question on the resale front. It's one of the reasons I've supported buying an STI despite it's issues to certain people.

That being said, not sure why you chime in relying on the reliability of your WRX, when we're taking about the STI here. You simply can't make blanket statements about entire brands based off your individual experience.

The fact is, as a whole, VW has gotten better, Subaru has gotten worse. Is Subaru still the more reliable brand, as a whole? OK, sure. But that doesn't mean you recommend buying an STI over something like an R based on reliability.
Fair enough but since I don't have a horse in this race, I think the complaints in reference to the STI are a bit overblown. At least with the VA chassis, I haven't come across any major issues with the EJ motors so far, the car is still very competitive despite the old engine and sells fairly well. Maybe Subaru is working on a completely new powertrain for the next generation and decided to phase out EJ motors with this chassis. I can actually see the resale value holding up pretty well because of the EJ motor and its character and fan following. As far as reliability goes, ALL cars in this class will have a lot more issues. The motors are already pushed far more than the pedestrian versions and considering the clientele most of them will be poorly modded within hours of leaving the dealer lot. Suggesting a VW product over the STI based solely on reliability, makes very little sense to me.
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This is like the 5th time I've called you out for being a complete fraud. Post your ME degree. I'm happy to do the same.
Cheesebox you must be really self conscious about yourself to be so obsessed with me. The funny thing about you is that you just got a degree and then went and sat in a lawyers office for the next decade, so from an experience level you are at the level of someone who's 22 and doesn't know enough to know what they don't know.
You really think I got my level of knowledge in school? Or maybe it was from being in a manufacturing plant every day for 13 years AFTER school?
You on the other hand. . . .school and nothing more but internet forums.
If you had to take your suit off and step into my world and run a plant with 30-60 guys and dozens of pieces of equipment you've never even heard of let alone understand you'd fall flat or your face dude. . . .it would be such a miserable failure and embarrassment I would be embarrassed for you, and in the end I'd probably feel bad about putting you in a position that had no chance of success. But the sad part is, you'd probably still agree to it because you are still at the level of a 22 year old who thinks he knows it all because he's never done it.
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I'm serious, enough already. You are confronted with well-understood principles and explanations of root-causes of issues, and your responses are limited to "nu-uh!". Like a freaking 10 year old girl. .
Please look up the definition of demographic and stop yapping.
Buy a 19 year old and bran new M3 and wait and see if it has reliability issues.

Here's an example that may help you understand.

90% of bone fractures of children age 15 and under are that of males, 10% of bone fractures are females.

So cheesebox, tell me, does that mean that boys have weaker bones than girls? Or do you think maybe there is something else skewing the 'well documented' statistic? Because it is 'well documented' as you pointed out about EJ pistons. It may actually be even MORE documented, so I guess that's it.
Case closed.
Boys have weaker bones than girls. Odd factoid huh? Makes me think that my big human brain should be telling me there is another factor influencing the outcome, but I'm having trouble figuring it out since my name is Cheesebox and I have a piece of paper that says I'm an expert and I think that piece of paper means something despite no real world experience going along with it.

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This is like the 5th time I've called you out
What made you think the 5th pissing match about EJ25 engine design was going to go any different than the 1st 4 arguments?

Even if you are right, you are still losing. If you wrestle around with the pigs in the mud, after while it is hard differentiate yourself from the pigs.
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WELL Anyways, my plans have changed. I got a promotion today which involves me driving 200 miles to work and, you guessed it, 200 miles back home from work. At least this is only once a week. I need to crunch some numbers and see how much that will affect my TDI buyback money but the WRX is definitely going to be my choice. Buyback amount is not supposed to change unless you drive more than 1000 miles/month. I would be driving more than that. Even though TDI is much better on gas it will probably hurt my buyback amount. So I'll probably say bye bye to it and get a WRX.
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WELL Anyways, my plans have changed. I got a promotion today which involves me driving 200 miles to work and, you guessed it, 200 miles back home from work. At least this is only once a week. I need to crunch some numbers and see how much that will affect my TDI buyback money but the WRX is definitely going to be my choice. Buyback amount is not supposed to change unless you drive more than 1000 miles/month. I would be driving more than that. Even though TDI is much better on gas it will probably hurt my buyback amount. So I'll probably say bye bye to it and get a WRX.
You should use one of the online calculator for the TDI buyback amount for your estimated mileage and turn in date. The buyback is based on the NADA mileage deductions which are done in 5000 mile tier. (i.e. 0-5000, 5001 - 10,000, 10001-15000, etc). VW did a 1042 mile per month adjustment dating back to September 2015 so now the mileage tier are no longer round numbers and they change every month by 1042 miles.

For instance if you are just over one of the 5000 mileage tiers, then you could drive 1042/month plus 4000 and the buyback wouldn't be affected. On the other hand if your are just under one of the 5000 mileage tier, 1050 could push you into the next tier. Atlas my observation a change of one tiers affect the buyback value by about $300-600.
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WELL Anyways, my plans have changed. I got a promotion today which involves me driving 200 miles to work and, you guessed it, 200 miles back home from work. At least this is only once a week. I need to crunch some numbers and see how much that will affect my TDI buyback money
I did the exact same thing for 2.5 years at my last job, about a 425 mile round trip every single week for that period of time.

Unless you are being compensated in some other fashion, you should be getting mileage compensation for that driving. I did, and it worked out great to be honest.
I was driving a 2003 vehicle, so it was worthless anyway but ran fine, so basically 100 miles of driving covered my fuel, and the rest was made money.
Obviously in your case it will affect your buyback, but if you are being compensated for the mileage you will make that back probably at least twice over in a fuel efficient vehicle.
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I have to wait until June to sell my TDI back which royally sucks. I just finished removing all the suspension parts off it last weekend so now it has to rot in my driveway forever.

It is completely insane what they are paying out for the cars. I actually thought about getting a 2017 GTI but then what would I do with my WRX?
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