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Old 02-28-2017, 03:03 PM   #1
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Ive been looking for an intake manifold that I can match***8203; the ~110lb/min turbo Ill be using on my newest project car. After some research the process west track version looks like a decent performer. But....

While the PW intake mani does look like it'll do the trick, Ive got cnc machines and fab equipment that I like to find excuses to use so I figured I might as well give making my own intake manifold a go. I made a sheet metal intake for a bigblock chevelle many years ago (like 20) and it frankly sucked...so this should be fun!

Ill be posting my drawings and progress here.

If anyone wants to help with design specs feel free. Ill take all the help I can get. Mainly I need help calcing runner dia, length, and plenum volume.

The injector housings and runner velocity stacks as well as plenum shape and TB flange are pretty easy. I begin work on there and start adding content here.

I plan on making this a two injector per cyl manifold as well as including required geometry for dry nitrous injection.

Should be fun!!
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what software(s) do you use for CAD/CAM? you has Haas?
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Old 02-28-2017, 04:22 PM   #3
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Yes, various Haas machines. I use solidworks and camworks.

Ill prob use my st30ssy and 4 axis vf4 for this project.
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Just make yourself a Porsche gt3 clone with 2 cylinders lopped off. coles: Big plenum, velocity stacks and short straight runners
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Yes, various Haas machines. I use solidworks and camworks.

Ill prob use my st30ssy and 4 axis vf4 for this project.
nice! sounds like a very capable pair. i remember you mentioning owning some Haas before. personal machines, or for your business as well?

in terms of the Haas in my tool & die shop, we have a VF5, VF5XT, VF3YT, and two VM3's.

i run Siemens NX for CAD/CAM.

good luck with your project!
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Old 03-01-2017, 11:31 PM   #6
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nice! sounds like a very capable pair. i remember you mentioning owning some Haas before. personal machines, or for your business as well?

in terms of the Haas in my tool & die shop, we have a VF5, VF5XT, VF3YT, and two VM3's.

i run Siemens NX for CAD/CAM.

good luck with your project!
Nice setup! Yeah, they started out my personal machines lol. I started doing firearm stuff for fun on them and one thing led to another and they now make money too. I cant help myself lol. Its hard not to turn cnc machines into money printers

I promised my wife I was done when I sold my firm a couple years ago. Shes not complaining though, Im not home bothering her anymore because Im too busy in my new shop.
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^interesting statement from a former business owner.
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Old 03-02-2017, 07:31 AM   #8
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^interesting statement from a former business owner.
Huh? Saying its hard not to make money with capital equipment is interesting?
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Huh? Saying its hard not to make money with capital equipment is interesting?
you topped the last one with this^

When I hear people talk about how easy it is to make money I mark my calendar and remind myself to check back in a couple years when their assets go up for sale.
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you topped the last one with this^

When I hear people talk about how easy it is to make money I mark my calendar and remind myself to check back in a couple years when their assets go up for sale.
It is easy if no one can match your work ethic and you have the drive.

My assets were already sold a couple years ago when I sold my old firm for an obscene amount of money. Hence my $500k play shop and retirement at the ripe old age of 38.

You sound like an excuse maker...
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It is easy if no one can match your work ethic and you have the drive.

My assets were already sold a couple years ago when I sold my old firm for an obscene amount of money. Hence my $500k play shop and retirement at the ripe old age of 38.

You sound like an excuse maker...
ha, quite the contrary dude, I work 11 hours a day minimum, and I've never once met anybody who talks about how easy it is to make money that didn't turn out to be completely full of crap and their stories were all fake.

So sorry, I call BS on that claim.
Maybe a portion of it is true and you just left out how you inherited it or something. . .there's always something though.

I wouldn't ask someone to mention where they work on the internet because I certainly wouldn't entertain that for a second.
But you sold it right? So you have no association anymore?
I'm curious, what 'firm' did you build to an 'obscene' value by your mid thirties netting enough money to plunk a half mill on a personal CNC workshop that couldn't have a prayer of returning the investment?
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Sorry man but I know your kind all too well. You like to make excuses for why others do better than you do or do it faster.

Ill give you a quick recipe that worked for me. And no, I was born into a lower middle class family. I was the first one of the family to graduate from college.

I got a job out of school in the oil field services industry. There I worked for almost 6 years at major company and developed the skill set and knowledge of an industry (oil exploration and drilling in my case). My wife and I lived like poppers and saved as much as we could. We drove crap cars, lived in crap appts, and never went out. After 5 years we had saved >$500k and had no debt.

I took a gamble when opportunity struck and started an engineering firm that utilized my exp in my chosen industry. I worked my ass off for 4 years and almost went broke before we started seeing a profit. 2 years after that I foresaw the price of oil plunging, effectively killing off 1/2 our market cap so I sold. How much ? Enough.

It wasn't handed to me at all. I just worked my ass off, didn't spend anything, and took a massive gamble that paid off. The beauty of living in the USA is anyone can do this...unless you are an excuse making hater like yourself.
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It wasn't handed to me at all. I just worked my ass off, didn't spend anything, and took a massive gamble that paid off. The beauty of living in the USA is anyone can do this...unless you are an excuse making hater like yourself.
I think you are confused, I don't make excuses nor did I. I don't need to, my employees do that, I make solutions.
And I'm not bitter at people who do better than me, good for you if it's true, sounded pretty fishy to be honest.

But now you are making sense, you are pointing out that you worked your ass off to make money. Before you were saying it's hard NOT to make money. That is the rhetoric of somebody who is full of crap.
Saying it's hard to make money and you have to work your ass off is the rhetoric of somebody with a clue. So you flip flopped 180 degrees but at least you are making sense now.

Still sounds fishy I won't lie. Here's why:
In 4 years you made essentially no money (according to you) and almost went bankrupt. Then over 2 measly years (essentially nothing from a business value perspective) turned a profit. THEN, oil tanking was going to kill the business, and the business being on the brink of being wiped out is what made it SELL-ABLE????? AND for an obscene amount of money (according to you)???????
So the people, or person who had an obscene amount of money to spend on a business was satisfied with 2 measly years of profit and a commodity environment bringing it near failure anyway due to pricing????

"When something doesn't make sense, it's usually because it isn't true." -Judge Judith Sheindlin

And that sir, don't make sense, not even a little. But at least you have a money printer right?
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I think you are confused, I don't make excuses nor did I. I don't need to, my employees do that, I make solutions.
And I'm not bitter at people who do better than me, good for you if it's true, sounded pretty fishy to be honest.

But now you are making sense, you are pointing out that you worked your ass off to make money. Before you were saying it's hard NOT to make money. That is the rhetoric of somebody who is full of crap.
Saying it's hard to make money and you have to work your ass off is the rhetoric of somebody with a clue. So you flip flopped 180 degrees but at least you are making sense now.

Still sounds fishy I won't lie. Here's why:
In 4 years you made essentially no money (according to you) and almost went bankrupt. Then over 2 measly years (essentially nothing from a business value perspective) turned a profit. THEN, oil tanking was going to kill the business, and the business being on the brink of being wiped out is what made it SELL-ABLE????? AND for an obscene amount of money (according to you)???????
So the people, or person who had an obscene amount of money to spend on a business was satisfied with 2 measly years of profit and a commodity environment bringing it near failure anyway due to pricing????

"When something doesn't make sense, it's usually because it isn't true." -Judge Judith Sheindlin

And that sir, don't make sense, not even a little. But at least you have a money printer right?
So I start a thread about designing and machining an intake manifold and you come in with stupid comments, adding nothing to the topic at hand. Other than being a typical forum troll.

I said its easy to make money with capital equipment. Yes cnc machines are easy to make money with. Sorry. They are. Esp if you can design and program, as I can. Im sorry you dont have enough money or skill to buy a machine and see for yourself.

As far as you understanding how I grew and sold my old company, I could care less. Frankly, you're a bottom feeder and its beneath me to waste my time trying to convince you of anything I've done. I just dont care what a man such as yourself thinks.

Ill let the pictures and posts of my progress on my intake manifold design project speak for themselves. The whole point of this thread was to discuss design and production of a high flow intake manifold. If you have nothing to add to that Id rather you piss off.

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So I start a thread about designing and machining an intake manifold and you come in with stupid comments, adding nothing to the topic at hand. Other than being a typical forum troll.
ha, nice attempt at the holier than thou bologna.

In case you forgot, it took 9 posts in your thread before you were throwing out that you have a half million dollar 'play shop' so you can sound like a hot shot. But I'm the bottom feeder, your the one bragging about a play shop that cost double the value of the average home in this country.

So again, never once met a person who brags about their money that turned out to actually have anything at all. Anyone who actually earned the $900,000 it would take to be left with $500,000 after taxes would know they don't need to brag about it on the internet.
I'm surprised you left out the value of your house, because anyone with a half million dollar 'play shop' obviously has at least a multi million dollar house. So you must have sold that 'firm' for 10's of millions after 6 years in operation, 70% of those years losing money. (makes sense doesn't it??)
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dont let him get started on what he think's a compressor is.

in the mean time, if you havent seen this yet. its in another thread: https://www.facebook.com/MooreBoost/...type=3&theater

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ha, nice attempt at the holier than thou bologna.

In case you forgot, it took 9 posts in your thread before you were throwing out that you have a half million dollar 'play shop' so you can sound like a hot shot. But I'm the bottom feeder, your the one bragging about a play shop that cost double the value of the average home in this country.

So again, never once met a person who brags about their money that turned out to actually have anything at all. Anyone who actually earned the $900,000 it would take to be left with $500,000 after taxes would know they don't need to brag about it on the internet.
I'm surprised you left out the value of your house, because anyone with a half million dollar 'play shop' obviously has at least a multi million dollar house. So you must have sold that 'firm' for 10's of millions after 6 years in operation, 70% of those years losing money. (makes sense doesn't it??)
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Dude you need to take your self-pity BS some place where someone gives a crap. GTFO and let others enjoy the thread.
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I think Ive settled on one big plenum with short vertical runners. Ill start posting drawings tonight.
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Sounds good. I like the big plenum if you want low/mid range as well as "punch it" power. Especially with the Frikkin Subaru firing order.
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If you make flanges for the manifold i will gladly take a set.
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rtv, the only reason he mentioned his shop was due to my inquiries to his setup... didn't seem like bragging to me, but more pride. give the guy a chance, man!

Alokin, are you thinking of a weldment construction like that PW one? or something foxier? the PW construction seems good at keeping manufacturing time and cost lower... but with a 4th axis and some good long reach undercut balls, you might be able to machine more and weld less?

in terms of long reach and undercut tooling, i am a huge fan of Harvey for that sort of stuff.
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Dude you need to take your self-pity BS some place where someone gives a crap. GTFO and let others enjoy the thread.
Self pity? Is this the same thread we're both reading?? You sound like the guy clinging to the excuse maker thing even though nobody made any excuses.

Not bragging about what I have and what I own is not self pity dude, come back to earth. I could brag about my business and what I own, but I don't feel any need for that, some people do though.
Good luck with designing a high flow manifold like the other 100 that have already been designed. It will be hard NOT making money on that design once he sells 2,000 units.
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rtv, the only reason he mentioned his shop was due to my inquiries to his setup... didn't seem like bragging to me, but more pride. give the guy a chance, man!

Alokin, are you thinking of a weldment construction like that PW one? or something foxier? the PW construction seems good at keeping manufacturing time and cost lower... but with a 4th axis and some good long reach undercut balls, you might be able to machine more and weld less?

in terms of long reach and undercut tooling, i am a huge fan of Harvey for that sort of stuff.
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He came trolling. My brash response was a fun poke at his "selling off assets" due to failing quote. Haters gonna hate. He mad.

I thought about using 4 and 5 axis for the plenum to avoid welds. I think I am going to go modular with this so I can virtual dyno different configurations. It'll be clearer when I post my renderings but Im thinking a injector housing/runner assembly that mounts to the plenum via sealed flanges. If I were making tons of them Id go the welded one size fits all route for sure.

Lastly I am NOT doing this to sell them or make money. If it turns out nice I may make a couple extra to provide to a few buds in the community. I live for projects like this and figured I would share the journey to fellow travelers, just like my car build threads.

Btw I love Harvey Tools. Theyve gotten me out of a design jam more than a time or two.
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My brash response was a fun poke at his "selling off assets" due to failing quote. Haters gonna hate. He mad.
good walk back, the online persona you created is safe for another week.
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Getting the Injector housing model roughed out. All dims are close, just need to be tweaked a bit here and there. Runners in this model are just place holders. Velocity stacks are roughed out as well. I'll spend more time iterating towards a more refined design. Just getting the basics down. Ill more than likely 3D print an injector housing and make sure everything bolts up OK before taking the time to program it and machine it.

Ill keep adding pics as I advance.




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