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Old 09-23-2020, 08:17 PM   #451
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Fiesta ST has always been cool and it will be cool in 20 years.
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Old 09-23-2020, 08:27 PM   #452
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Definitely.

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Old 09-23-2020, 08:33 PM   #453
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I think the best place for this to sit between the BRZ/FRS and the Supra, both in performance and price. Give people that stepping stone... want more oomph than the twins, but can't afford a GR supra? Buy the new Z car...
I couldn't agree more. And we'll see what Toyabaru does with the next generation of 86. I'm genuinely excited.

We're living in a golden age of ICE performance here. The next couple of generations (from most manufacturers) will move electric or hybrid. And that's OK, but this upcoming generation of cars will be exciting if not a swan song.
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Old 09-23-2020, 08:55 PM   #454
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But 4 doors to commute!
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Old 09-23-2020, 10:09 PM   #455
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And we'll see what Toyabaru does with the next generation of 86. I'm genuinely excited.
Ironically I'm way more curious about that car than anything else coming out in this sporty coupe category. I can't get over the front end of the Supra, and it's not unlikely that this next Z car is more or less the outgoing one with a different motor and aesthetics (and perhaps a few handling tweaks here and there but probably nothing earth-shattering).

I'm all for crazy amounts of hp and welcome increases of it, but when we all talk about wanting a two-door sports car that:

* Looks good
* Has lots of power
* Handles well
* Isn't pig-heavy
* Has a suitable transmission
* Costs "around" $30k

Car makers generally won't be able to build something that is going to mark off all the boxes, at least not now (or in the recent past). Personally I'd be fine with sacrificing some power for all of the other things. So let's see what the next 86 offers.
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Old 09-24-2020, 10:17 AM   #456
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I think my groceries will fly all over the place inside the car before I pull so much G that my scooter flips over.
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Old 09-24-2020, 10:22 AM   #457
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I can't get over the front end of the Supra,
Yeah the only color I liked was black for the silhouette of the car so mine is black. I too had a hard time liking the Supra’s facia especially in other colors.

I got use to it and now feel the car is beautifully designed. She is sitting 2 ft from me right now.
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Old 09-24-2020, 04:09 PM   #458
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Not quite, I'm saying the base Z will get the V6TT as 1 to 1 replacement for the VQ like Infiniti did, and that it will get a few different configurations similar to the Infiniti lineup of V6TTs.
This and your base price of $35K seem pretty likely/ideal and bonus: would be absolutely amazing news for tuners.

The Infiniti Q60's 300hp VR30 and 400hp Red Sport VR30 are mechanically identical. A tune is all that seperates them, and thus, all that separates the "300hp" model from like 450 wheel is boltons and a tune.
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Old 09-24-2020, 06:11 PM   #459
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The Infiniti Q60's 300hp VR30 and 400hp Red Sport VR30 are mechanically identical. A tune is all that seperates them, and thus, all that separates the "300hp" model from like 450 wheel is boltons and a tune.

Damn! Really? All internals the same, exact same liquid to air coolers? F me. Sign me up for the 300 HP version Either way, 300HP or 400HP version, is going to get tuned. That's some good intel there.
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The Infiniti Q60's 300hp VR30 and 400hp Red Sport VR30 are mechanically identical. A tune is all that seperates them, and thus, all that separates the "300hp" model from like 450 wheel is boltons and a tune.
not really - i have a Q60 Red sport. in addition to the tune, the Red Sport has different gear ratios, an optical turbo speed sensor, a secondary water pump for the heat exchanger, an oil cooler, bigger alternator, upgraded interior w/ semi-aniline leather, Red brake calipers vs silver brake calipers, different wheels, and unique exhaust tips.

if i was buying new, not sure that stuff would be worth the premium over a lower model, but i bought it CPO 1 year old, and saved $23k over sticker.

its my daily driver with a CPO 7-year warranty, so i didn't want add 100+ hp and kill the warranty. just keeping it mostly stock.
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Old 09-25-2020, 05:40 PM   #461
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Old 09-25-2020, 06:00 PM   #462
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Yeah need to see production model. I***8217;m still not moved by the design at all.
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Old 09-26-2020, 05:55 PM   #463
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not really - i have a Q60 Red sport. in addition to the tune, the Red Sport has different gear ratios, an optical turbo speed sensor, a secondary water pump for the heat exchanger, an oil cooler, bigger alternator, upgraded interior w/ semi-aniline leather, Red brake calipers vs silver brake calipers, different wheels, and unique exhaust tips.

if i was buying new, not sure that stuff would be worth the premium over a lower model, but i bought it CPO 1 year old, and saved $23k over sticker.

its my daily driver with a CPO 7-year warranty, so i didn't want add 100+ hp and kill the warranty. just keeping it mostly stock.
Yeah, I figured there must be some difference, but regardless, most of the tuning packages I've seen are available for both. The water pump/oil cooler is the real news/difference there, but I imagine aftermarket is probably better for those parts anyhow, rather than swapping in the RS's stock units.
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Old 10-09-2020, 11:10 AM   #464
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This is neither of that engine, but I have this video saved on my playlist just so I can listen to it every once in a while. hnnnggg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rjpmk...st=WL&index=34
bumping this thread because bored...

I don't know why this channel still has so few subs and views while their production level has been amazing over the years. Here is another great (if not one of the best) sounding Z.
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Old 10-12-2020, 11:23 AM   #465
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EZ, make GT-R 400-500 lbs less and make the Z car look like a Ferrari like original 240Z
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Old 10-13-2020, 04:15 AM   #466
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I dunno about that, not too keen on Ferrari's FR GT car styling these days as far as that goes.
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Old 10-13-2020, 06:48 AM   #467
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I’d go Jaguar again with the F-type. It worked with the e type in 68.
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I do love the F type appearance. The F Type R is a wicked beast.
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That Targa Z is part of what pushed me to build the car I built. I kept it mostly stock in appearance for road rallies, but just improved it in all the areas, suspension, brakes, engine, etc. Just make it better in every way without cutting the car up. I had thoughts of going coilovers, and getting serious about doing a targa, but the most aggressive I got was the Texas 1000 road rally. So many cool people and so much fun driving.

I hope they find that fun to drive spirit again in the new Z
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I do love the F type appearance. The F Type R is a wicked beast.
yeah,
I have been playing with some easy styling tweeks based on the F-type and the 240Z.

These are rough and modest, but I think they make a difference.


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If you're going to use a body colored bar to split the grill it should be done in a way to match the original S30z design. More specifically the bar should be higher up making the top grill more narrow and the lower grill larger in opening. This is how the S30z bumper was placed and how it split the grill on the original car. The way you have it placed looks out of place. Then again, I'm an old school Z enthusiast
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If you're going to use a body colored bar to split the grill it should be done in a way to match the original S30z design. More specifically the bar should be higher up making the top grill more narrow and the lower grill larger in opening. This is how the S30z bumper was placed and how it split the grill on the original car. The way you have it placed looks out of place. Then again, I'm an old school Z enthusiast
Agreed,
I was following the current grill divide.


You should like how I lengthened the hood by 4"
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If you loved the Z Proto, you'll love this.

The Nissan Z Proto was unveiled in September last year as a long-overdue replacement for the aging 370Z. As a prototype of the production sports coupe which is expected to be called the 400Z, the Z Proto's design didn't look like it needed much changing.

Nissan's chief product specialist, Hiroshi Tamura, later confirmed that the Z Proto's design won't be altered for the production car. As further evidence of this, we've gotten hold of new patent images filed by Nissan for the production 400Z. Although lacking some detail, these images prove that the Z Proto's design will make it into showrooms.

The gray images show that the production 400Z shares the prototype's blocky front grille, teardrop-shaped headlights, dual cutaways for the tailpipes, and the same sleek silhouette with a tapering roof. Look more closely, however, and there are some additions that would be required for the production version such as a radar sensor lower down within the front grille, side reflectors, and parking sensors. That front sensor will be necessary for safety systems such as adaptive cruise control.

Overall, this is great news for those who loved the Z Proto but will displease some fans who believed that Nissan should have come up with a bolder overall look. Similarly, not everyone is a fan of that gaping grille.

Not visible in the latest patent images is the interior, but based on the minimal changes to the exterior, we expect the production 400Z's cabin to closely mirror that of the prototype. The Z Proto's interior features a sporty layout with a 12.3-inch digital instrument cluster and a large central touchscreen display.

Some technical details of the 400Z remain unconfirmed, but we expect a twin-turbo V6 with around 400 horsepower to be paired with either a six-speed manual gearbox or an optional automatic. When it arrives, the 400Z will directly take on the Toyota GR Supra in a battle that'll conjure up fond memories of classic JDM sports cars of the 1990s.
2022 Nissan 400Z revealed in patent filing
If you loved last year’s Nissan Z Proto, we have some good news: the production version looks to be almost identical.

Patent images obtained via IP Australia show the next-generation Z-Car has made the transition from prototype to production unchanged, but for the addition of important details like parking sensors, a sensor within the grille, side reflectors and key holes.

The filings don’t reveal the production wheel design but we expect the Z Proto’s wheels to also be unchanged.

Likewise, the images omit all badging as well as the rear-view mirrors and the finer details of the lighting, though again we don’t expect any meaningful changes considering how production-ready the Z Proto was.

That there are no surprises with the production version is no surprise, with Nissan design boss Alfonso Albaisa saying at the Z Proto’s reveal that he “won’t touch it anymore” and that he’d passed the baton on to engineers who would only change “very small things”.

It could be late in 2022 before the production Nissan Z goes on sale, and we expect it to wear the 400Z nameplate.

Nissan hasn’t officially confirmed a launch date, but pointed to the Nissan GT-R Proto that preceded the R35 GT-R for inspiration.

“The Proto is just a finished, feasible study,” said Hiroshi Tamura, chief product specialist for the Nissan Z and GT-R product lines.

“If I can give another extra hint, you have to check about GT-R Proto, then GT-R releasing point,” Tamura-san told media.

The GT-R Proto was revealed at the 2005 Tokyo motor show, and closely previewed the production R35 GT-R that followed in December 2007.

Power for the Z Proto comes from a turbocharged V6 engine, and it’s sent to the rear wheels through a six-speed manual transmission.

A seven-speed automatic is expected to be optional, while a locking rear differential is also likely and will help the 400Z put power to the ground.

Outputs haven’t been confirmed yet, but the engine is believed to be a variation of the 3.0-litre twin-turbocharged V6 from the Infiniti Q60 Red Sport, where it makes 298kW of power and 475Nm of torque.

That’s a big step up from the current 370Z’s naturally-aspirated 3.7-litre V6, which produces 253kW of power and 371Nm of torque.

The Z Proto is similarly-sized to the outgoing 370Z, however. It measures 4382mm long, 1850mm wide, and 1310mm tall, or 50mm longer and 20mm narrower than the 370Z Nismo.

The 400Z is believed to be on an updated version of the 370Z’s platform, though this hasn’t officially been confirmed.

2022 Nissan 400Z revealed in patent filing
Inside the Z Proto’s cabin, which is decidedly production-ready in appearance, there’s a 12.3-inch digital instrument cluster plus an infotainment touchscreen, climate controls, and an overall dashboard design that borrows plenty from the latest X-Trail SUV. There are also the expected three analogue dials atop the dash.

We don’t know for sure what the production interior will look like, but don’t put any money on it looking much different.

The biggest rival for the 400Z will be the Toyota Supra. With 285kW and 500Nm from its turbocharged BMW inline-six engine, there isn’t much to split them on paper, except for the fact the Supra isn’t available with a manual in Australia.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...-patent-filing
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I do like the clean lines and lack of fake vents but to me the front and rear ends don't look like they belong on the same car. To be fair this wasn't a clean sheet vehicle as they were stuck working with the existing 370Z body so there was probably only so much they could do. I'm sure it will look better in person
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