Tesla Catch All Thread. Hate us cause you ain’t us.

[mhoward1]

Originally Posted by E. Nick

I just searched and only see my real-world findings confirmed. The M5 traps low-mid 120's and the Tesla traps 110. What am I missing?

The published 1/4 mile times? Yes, the M5 has more speed and is better from a rolling start, but the Tesla has 0-10 MPH TQ that would be similar to what a 4wd system can add to a standing start 1/4.

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[hkerekes]

Originally Posted by E. Nick

I just searched and only see my real-world findings confirmed. The M5 traps low-mid 120's and the Tesla traps 110. What am I missing?

Trap speed doesn't equal 1/4 mile time......

[neg_matnik]

Originally Posted by E. Nick

Yes, but costs 120K for the P85+. It can't compete in that price range. I have always said I like it - but only at 50% of the price.

You and I agree that pricing is stiff.
But, I'm sure I'd also like an M5 at 50% of the price as well .

[E. Nick]

Originally Posted by mhoward1

The published 1/4 mile times? Yes, the M5 has more speed and is better from a rolling start, but the Tesla has 0-10 MPH TQ that would be similar to what a 4wd system can add to a standing start 1/4.

Just looked at MT and C&D - M5 showing quicker by 0.5 sec and faster by 10-13MPH in trap. In the real world, that is huge, especially the trap - feels like a completely different league, and it is.

My point is that little lies that aren't refuted end up being accepted as fact - add up all the lies and the Tesla gets the Kool-Aid following that it has.

It is a fine car, for a battery-powered Camry or Avalon competitor. But to discuss the Model S as a competitor to an M5 or E63, or RS7, or anything in the 100K up area is ridiculous.

Chop the price 50% and it would kick ass, which is what it seems like they want to do with this Model III.

[mhoward1]

Originally Posted by E. Nick

Just looked at MT and C&D - M5 showing quicker by 0.5 sec and faster by 10-13MPH in trap. In the real world, that is huge, especially the trap - feels like a completely different league, and it is.

This MT article??

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._verification/

[E. Nick]

Originally Posted by mhoward1

This MT article??

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._verification/

This one...
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...3_bmw_m5_test/

The other was R&T not C&D - March/April of this year, Euro sedan comparo - didn't find link on their site - have the hard-copy.

Plus, of course, my real-world experience, which, sadly, is worthless.

[Keshav]

the future of drag racing belongs to the electric car

http://youtu.be/OfbPf3WExwU

http://youtu.be/OfbPf3WExwU

1250 ft/lbs of torque in a tiny package

[BigElm]

I'm missing the part where the Tesla III or any Tesla competes with anything here....

[E. Nick]

Originally Posted by BigElm

I'm missing the part where the Tesla III or any Tesla competes with anything here....

I'm sick of propaganda winning the day - felt the need to refute just 1 of the many misconceptions about the much revered Model S. Seems like a silly argument because it is - half a second and 10 mph... But every misconception about this car makes popular opinion of it grow exponentially. What is reality when every aspect has been inflated? Comfort/luxury/range/performance/value/environmental impact/etc.

My neighbors have been in on this musical chairs stunt for 10 years and I have been kept up to date. I never believed they would achieve what they have (stock price), and at this point, neither can they - they keep laughing all the way to the bank, as Google-glass wearing Palo Altons finance these things... In the end, when image is society's foremost value, perception becomes reality, and by default, ignorance prevails. Capex=growth, right? New normal...

[Hondaslayer]

Thing is, I have always heard the Model S compared against a 5 series in general. The M5 comparison is a new one to me.

[Calamity Jesus]

Originally Posted by E. Nick

I try to stay away from Tesla threads due to the Kool-Aid, but can't resist this one, as it is simply not factual.

No Tesla can even come close to an M5 in the 1/4. 0-40 MPH is the only place the Tesla has a chance. I know because I live in the most highly concentrated Tesla area in the world, and have an M5. Even my X5 is faster than the Tesla from a roll.

I hadn't looked at the numbers.. I've just seen these:

YouTube

YouTube

Tesla Model S vs BMW M5 Drag Race - YouTube

Tesla Model S vs BMW M5 Drag Race - YouTube

I suppose you could argue that Elon bribed these folks.

As for "faster [...] from a roll."

[E. Nick]

Originally Posted by Calamity Jesus

I hadn't looked at the numbers.. I've just seen these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RRJsUSi6rk

Tesla Model S vs BMW M5 Drag Race - YouTube

I suppose you could argue that Elon bribed these folks.

As for "faster [...] from a roll."

Or you could simply watch the video and note that:
1) Host states 0-100 MPH, 2 out of 3 times, not 1/4 mile
2) M5 was going much faster than the Tesla at the end
3) Tesla jumped the start
4) M5 had no traction on the 1-2 shift - TC off?

And the mag tests confirm 0.5 secs and 10mph difference in the 1/4. Just not in the same league.

Love how the host also casually mentions 300 miles of range, again simply not true.

The truth about the performance is actually impressive - it bothers me that they feel the need to lie. Just say it stacks up well with many standard V8 sedans but is priced quite a bit higher, and needs to be charged.

[Snicker88]

When Tesla S is on Nürburgring, other cars pay attention. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJT4OtufDss

[Hondaslayer]

Back on track.

This is not the Model S thread, take the Model S talk there.

[Calamity Jesus]

Originally Posted by E. Nick

Or you could simply watch the video and note that:
1) Host states 0-100 MPH, 2 out of 3 times, not 1/4 mile
2) M5 was going much faster than the Tesla at the end
3) Tesla jumped the start
4) M5 had no traction on the 1-2 shift - TC off?

And the mag tests confirm 0.5 secs and 10mph difference in the 1/4. Just not in the same league.

I'm pretty sure you already established this. I was just letting you know where I was coming from. So sorry to have bunched your panties.

Originally Posted by E. Nick

Love how the host also casually mentions 300 miles of range, again simply not true.

You are just a ray of sunshine. Don't confuse EPA range with achievable range under optimal conditions. The 85kw Model S can do 300 miles if driven with range in mind (ie: low speeds and acceleration, no A/C, etc). It obviously can't pull that off while drag racing. EPA range is conservative and based on a 5-cycle mixed driving test.

The Model S was rated at 320 miles on the old 2-cycle EPA test.

[E. Nick]

Originally Posted by Calamity Jesus

I'm pretty sure you already established this. I was just letting you know where I was coming from. So sorry to have bunched your panties.

You are just a ray of sunshine. Don't confuse EPA range with achievable range under optimal conditions. The 85kw Model S can do 300 miles if driven with range in mind (ie: low speeds and acceleration, no A/C, etc). It obviously can't pull that off while drag racing. EPA range is conservative and based on a 5-cycle mixed driving test.

The Model S was rated at 320 miles on the old 2-cycle EPA test.

1st part: I didn't read it that way and apologize - just want facts to rule discussion.

2nd part: See the link in mhoward's post #105. One of a few range tests that have been done. another mag did one from LA to SF... Again, the results are impressive, no need to lie.

[slimfit]

Originally Posted by Snicker88

When Tesla S is on Nürburgring, other cars pay attention. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJT4OtufDss

I always laugh when I see the center display in the model s. It looks like someone is doing a build in the tesla motors website on an iPad.


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[juanmedina]

http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/05/tes...images-emerge/

I thought it was going to look like this \/ .

Do not want any more....

[shikataganai]

Those are all fanboi concepts. Don't let them deter you.

[legav05]

Originally Posted by juanmedina

http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/05/tes...images-emerge/

Like a volvo and an i3 had a retarded baby. They also severely underestimated the stats.

[SilverSubaab]

No real news or solid information.

[A W]

Originally Posted by SilverSubaab

No real news or solid information.

+1.

Until it is on the official Tesla Motors website, someone is seriously desperate if they think that is even close.

[godfather2112]

That looks ****ing atrocious. Those rims, all of it, nope.

[A W]

Originally Posted by godfather2112

That looks ****ing atrocious. Those rims, all of it, nope.

THAT can always be changed out. I have no idea why anyone even cares when you can just BUY different ones. Everything else, yeah, you can't really change so I can understand that at least. Seriously, if they don't look anything like DODGE NEON wheel covers, color me happy.

[Balantz]

Hey. Guys. It's just an "artist's conception." No one knows what it's going to look like yet. Don't feed the crappy car rags with your traffic.