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Old 12-01-2019, 05:20 PM   #1851
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+1. Totally agree

This is a hate crime. I believe we should push a law through congress immediately that protects individuals that own and develop electrical vehicles.


This law should target individuals that park illegally in electric car parking spots with or without chargers and who speak negatively against the electric car development or obvious faults in adds or issues that may arise in electric vehicles.
What?


And agree with Pre re: current impracticality of using EVs as long haul towing vehicles. This is a problem amenable to technological improvement, of course.
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Old 12-01-2019, 11:55 PM   #1852
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could have another battery pack in the trailer that ties into the electric truck when you hook them up.
I always thought trucks make a better EV platform than any other design. Why place it in the trailer. You could easily drop it in the bed. Just sell a regular model with 2 to 300 miles. Than charge them for extra battery packs. Heck if your Ford you could rent them by the mile used. Place the packs in key area dealerships. People could grab a pack in Houston drive to San Antonio. A fork or some sort of contraption could lift the pack up and replace it with a fresh pack and boom drive around and use local chargers. As the weekend rolls buy swing by your local dealer replace the pack and move on. If you automate the entire thing you could be in and out within 15 minutes tops. Hell sell candy or put in a Starbucks.

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Old 12-02-2019, 12:09 AM   #1853
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I always thought trucks make a better EV platform than any other design. Why place it in the trailer. You could easily drop it in the bed. Just sell a regular model with 2 to 300 miles. Than charge them for extra battery packs. Heck if your Ford you could rent them by the mile used. Place the packs in key area dealerships. People could grab a pack in Houston drive to San Antonio. A fork or some sort of contraption could lift the pack up and replace it with a fresh pack and boom drive around and use local chargers. As the weekend rolls buy swing by your local dealer replace the pack and move on. If you automate the entire thing you could be in and out within 15 minutes tops. Hell sell candy or put in a Starbucks.



Blitz.


I agree, just place fresh packs somewhere in the bed; as tech improves they will get lighter and more range, plan for those modules now given the claimed longevity of these new vehicles.

Iím curious how Superchargers are going to accommodate all these trucks, especially those towing. I think longer stalls while allowing two chargers at the same time could improve the situation.
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Old 12-02-2019, 01:04 AM   #1854
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I've said for a while that Battery swaps can be the easy button, but that would mean battery standardization. No manufacturer is willing to concede to another quite yet.
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Old 12-02-2019, 01:09 AM   #1855
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I've said for a while that Battery swaps can be the easy button, but that would mean battery standardization. No manufacturer is willing to concede to another quite yet.

Also given that packs might be at various states of degradation thereís a whole extra can of worms.
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Old 12-02-2019, 01:17 AM   #1856
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Also given that packs might be at various states of degradation thereís a whole extra can of worms.
That's something that can be easily tested as time of swap.

It's the same issue with anything that is rented/swapped. Even propane tanks get devalued if it's in crap shape when you turn it in.

plus, with swapped batteries that can receive optimal charges when in waiting should last quite a bit longer.

I had this vision of a station that has an underground conveyor with 200-500 batteries. As soon as the battery is pulled, it starts it journey back around charging. By the time its at the top of the queue its fully charged for the next vehicle. At $20 bucks a swap it would be a lot more profitable than the current gas pumps.
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Old 12-02-2019, 12:16 PM   #1857
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Old 12-02-2019, 12:19 PM   #1858
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Litterally nobody cares about Tesla drag racing any more. It was never impressive before, and it still is not impressive. It is a race custom tailored to an Electric Motor.
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Old 12-02-2019, 12:21 PM   #1859
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clearly, you havenīt watched the video
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Old 12-02-2019, 12:22 PM   #1860
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Acceleration is stupid. Nobody cares.
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Old 12-02-2019, 12:43 PM   #1861
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They could at least try to hide their contempt for Tesla a little better.

It's not a problem when an F-150 gets 8mpg towing 5k lbs. but the horror when the same physics applies to a Model X!
It's not emotional issue with me but a cost and convenience resale issue. If it was ez no wait charging and resale like a Toyota Tacoma I would buy one.
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Old 12-02-2019, 12:55 PM   #1862
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Acceleration is stupid. Nobody cares.
..... exactly is just a waste of time with them.

The model 3 runs a faster time than all those cars on the track course and they talk about acceleration . The Model 3 was at 57% charge also
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Old 12-02-2019, 01:07 PM   #1863
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..... exactly is just a waste of time with them.

The model 3 runs a faster time than all those cars on the track course and they talk about acceleration . The Model 3 was at 57% charge also
Track times are stupid, too. All kinds of races are suspiciously designed for EVs.
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Old 12-02-2019, 01:20 PM   #1864
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Track times are stupid, too. All kinds of races are suspiciously designed for EVs.
Track times are not stupid. Itís the sole reason I bought a Lamborghini Aventador LP770!


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Damn, guess that actually didnít happen.

I agree though. I couldnít give 0 ****s about lap times (clearly as I could have bought a faster car for same cost of my M2). I mean, itís interesting and itís fun to see vehicles compete for lap times for pure performance and competition reasons. But for 99.9999% of people itís a meaningless metric for car purchasing.
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Old 12-02-2019, 01:33 PM   #1865
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Those meaningless metrics pushed Mercedes to make a CAMG that can run down that Model 3 like a hound on a wounded bunny.
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Old 12-02-2019, 02:31 PM   #1866
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Track times are not stupid. Itís the sole reason I bought a Lamborghini Aventador LP770!


*Checks garage.*

Damn, guess that actually didnít happen.

I agree though. I couldnít give 0 ****s about lap times (clearly as I could have bought a faster car for same cost of my M2). I mean, itís interesting and itís fun to see vehicles compete for lap times for pure performance and competition reasons. But for 99.9999% of people itís a meaningless metric for car purchasing.

I think lap times matter some but I think the idiots on the internet place way too much importance on them, given that 97% or something will never, ever, even put it on a road course. Acceleration numbers matter, handling matters, braking, etc, but you have to drive something to form an opinion about it if you are gonna run your mouth about how it performs. Some cars have great feel, via chassis, steering, etc, and that cannot be quantified by some lap. Was the lap done effortlessly, smoothly, or did the driver have to white knuckle the F out of it? Did the driver have some natural or inherent rotation around the corners, or was the driver fighting understeer or too much oversteer?

This is the problem with enthusiast model car designs these days. What sells is the lap time compared to X, in the dry, in warm conditions. People don't demand all weather lap times, or all weather on road tests, so they don't do it. Some track, and that's it. Then the internet finger points back and forth having never driven all the cars in question. Then someone throws in the red herring, the f'in Ring time.
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I was being sarcastic. I'm just perpetually amused at the anti-EV sentiments.
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Old 12-02-2019, 03:16 PM   #1868
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I was being sarcastic. I'm just perpetually amused at the anti-EV sentiments.
Because people are dumb sometimes, thatís why they hate the EV movement.

I just hope companies are able to scale significantly and drive down the cost of cars. If weíre stuck with a base crapper model costing $35k and a very mildly optioned one for $45k - $50k, Iím going to keep buying Dino fuel cars.
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Old 12-02-2019, 03:48 PM   #1869
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That's something that can be easily tested as time of swap.

It's the same issue with anything that is rented/swapped. Even propane tanks get devalued if it's in crap shape when you turn it in.

plus, with swapped batteries that can receive optimal charges when in waiting should last quite a bit longer.

I had this vision of a station that has an underground conveyor with 200-500 batteries. As soon as the battery is pulled, it starts it journey back around charging. By the time its at the top of the queue its fully charged for the next vehicle. At $20 bucks a swap it would be a lot more profitable than the current gas pumps.
Tesla demoed a battery swap station on the Model S several years ago, but then never moved forward with it.
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Old 12-02-2019, 03:48 PM   #1870
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Because people are dumb sometimes, thatís why they hate the EV movement.

I just hope companies are able to scale significantly and drive down the cost of cars. If weíre stuck with a base crapper model costing $35k and a very mildly optioned one for $45k - $50k, Iím going to keep buying Dino fuel cars.
I don't know why EVs would be any different than other new technology. Price parity is happening and the fossil fuel age is dying right before us. I have no doubt there will be the equivalent of a $19k Corolla EV in a few years that will cost $19k (in today's dollars, of course).
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Because people are dumb sometimes, thatís why they hate the EV movement.

I just hope companies are able to scale significantly and drive down the cost of cars. If weíre stuck with a base crapper model costing $35k and a very mildly optioned one for $45k - $50k, Iím going to keep buying Dino fuel cars.
It's gonna be a while, years. EV makes a great dino replacement for DD. For sporting purposes, road trips, not anytime soon.
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Old 12-02-2019, 04:25 PM   #1872
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Tesla demoed a battery swap station on the Model S several years ago, but then never moved forward with it.
Some rich Israeli tried this years ago. Personally, I think it's too bad it didn't take off. I think that unfortunately, he was too right, too early.

https://www.fastcompany.com/1281274/...-station-japan

Standardizing batteries is part of the problem, especially with rapidly changing technology, but the theories are all sound...
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Old 12-02-2019, 05:01 PM   #1873
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That system TSLA made was crazy since it automated a process that was never meant to be automated. It removed a bunch of threaded fasteners, etc. The vid I saw hid a lot of the magic, so I assume a lot of it was smoke and mirrors in order to make the concept demo work only.

Having a fully integrated battery makes the car design a lot easier and more reliable like any other device. Designing it to quickly remove adds all kids of issues which would be passed to the consumer as increased cost, and maybe even decreased performance (more weight and less packaging density).

Are people still not buying electric cars because of range anxiety? My opinion is the majority of people are just too unwilling to absorb the depreciation and unknown longevity expense of owning one. Most people around me have at least 1 or 2 cars that are almost drinking age they still drive.
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Old 12-03-2019, 10:34 AM   #1874
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Tesla demoed a battery swap station on the Model S several years ago, but then never moved forward with it.
They set one up, and nobody used it, so they assumed there was no demand for it.

Edit: Here's an article on it:
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-shut...superchargers/
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I don't know why EVs would be any different than other new technology. Price parity is happening and the fossil fuel age is dying right before us. I have no doubt there will be the equivalent of a $19k Corolla EV in a few years that will cost $19k (in today's dollars, of course).


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Because people are dumb sometimes, thatís why they hate the EV movement.

I just hope companies are able to scale significantly and drive down the cost of cars. If weíre stuck with a base crapper model costing $35k and a very mildly optioned one for $45k - $50k, Iím going to keep buying Dino fuel cars.
But there is the bigger problem. The cost of vehicles continue to rise at a rapid rate, hence the massively long loan terms now. There's no sign of any of this changing.

There is a difference in how EV's are price structured. The lower prices models/trims yield lower range. There's a premium for longer range. This is different from ICE (non hybrid) cars as lower prices models usually yields higher mpg. Then you pay the premium for more power ( and lower mpg).

So while EV's are gaining range over time. Price is not getting cheaper or you pay that premium for that range.
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