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Old 07-14-2017, 08:02 PM   #26
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So Dodge, who just killed the Dart, makes it, and Jeep, known for high CoG and poor reliability, also make it? How about anyone that competes with econo compact cars from Nissan, Toyota, Mazda, Honda, Kia, Hyundai, Chevy, Ford or Subaru?

I'm aware that some are doing it, but I was getting the vibe from others that they felt as though Subaru was lagging behind on their transmission by going from E-AT to CVT. It sounds like Subaru picked the cheaper route to gain fuel economy and their competitors have done the same. Anyone else doing otherwise is not competing in their segment.

When I was younger I thought it made sense to just add more gears. I haven't ever investigated why companies decided the CVT over adding more gears. There has to be more to it than I realize, otherwise they would've just added more gears.
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Old 07-17-2017, 08:53 AM   #27
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So Dodge, who just killed the Dart, makes it, and Jeep, known for high CoG and poor reliability, also make it? How about anyone that competes with econo compact cars from Nissan, Toyota, Mazda, Honda, Kia, Hyundai, Chevy, Ford or Subaru?

I'm aware that some are doing it, but I was getting the vibe from others that they felt as though Subaru was lagging behind on their transmission by going from E-AT to CVT. It sounds like Subaru picked the cheaper route to gain fuel economy and their competitors have done the same. Anyone else doing otherwise is not competing in their segment.

When I was younger I thought it made sense to just add more gears. I haven't ever investigated why companies decided the CVT over adding more gears. There has to be more to it than I realize, otherwise they would've just added more gears.
I don't know if it was a cheaper route. It is definitely a more limiting route. I think FHI engineers did the math and thought that it would take 10-15 years for other manufacturers to catch up on engine efficiency. They were not going to put large power through it and they could make it fit. But, other manufacturers reacted much quicker and now 6, 8, 9 and 10 speeds are becoming quite common. A standard automatic design with clutch plates is more capable than any CVT design out there. FHI/Subaru bet on the CVT and I would think they will be pushing it for 20+ years.

Adding gears didn't really make sense until the engine electronics caught up. A carbureted engine would have enough torque to pull another gear but why? There was no need for MPG or 100K durability. Once the engines started getting smaller the number of gears started increasing. Now they are adding more gears in-between the top and bottom the keep the engine in a sweet spot for MPGs. A CVT can keep the engine in a tuned spot better/easier.

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Old 07-17-2017, 10:35 AM   #28
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I don't know if it was a cheaper route. It is definitely a more limiting route. I think FHI engineers did the math and thought that it would take 10-15 years for other manufacturers to catch up on engine efficiency. They were not going to put large power through it and they could make it fit. But, other manufacturers reacted much quicker and now 6, 8, 9 and 10 speeds are becoming quite common. A standard automatic design with clutch plates is more capable than any CVT design out there. FHI/Subaru bet on the CVT and I would think they will be pushing it for 20+ years.

Adding gears didn't really make sense until the engine electronics caught up. A carbureted engine would have enough torque to pull another gear but why? There was no need for MPG or 100K durability. Once the engines started getting smaller the number of gears started increasing. Now they are adding more gears in-between the top and bottom the keep the engine in a sweet spot for MPGs. A CVT can keep the engine in a tuned spot better/easier.

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Old 07-17-2017, 12:44 PM   #29
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In 20 years, Subaru may not be producing internal combustion vehicles.
I highly doubt that.

There'll have to be a quantum leap in battery/storage/electric production unit first. We here and the rest of the world will have to have a reliable electricity grid with autonomous production nodes. Everywhere...

The infrastructure is not there and the inertia to totally replace petro refueling isn't there nor on the horizon.

The power/money behind oil and the international inertia to effect a change from petro fuel to electricity is too massive.

The investment costs for nothing more than upgrading storage tanks was enough to ruin many businesses... mandating, one way or another, that every refueler provide both electric and petrol options? If it were realistic there would be signs of it now... and while there may be some where I live, I do not know of a one.

If I'm going where fuel is an issue, I can carry gasoline in containers. I can't carry electricity in containers. Military, utility, industrial vehicles go where fuel isn't reliably available, so carry it. Storage in in-ground tanks is a standalone resource... but a failure of the electric grid would take down every electric refueler. That is, it is fundamentally UNreliable.

While the bulk of people live in urban areas, thus hybrid/plug-in car territory... these areas comprise only a small fraction of the drivable areas, where distance and fuel resources obviate the electric automobile option.

I could go on... but it's an inane premise. And twenty years? Those who see that timeframe as meaningful relative to change haven't lived very long.
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Old 07-17-2017, 01:33 PM   #30
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ICE isn't the only way to convert fuel to power. Who really knows where it will go.

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Old 12-05-2020, 08:04 AM   #31
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When equipped with EyeSight, all 2019 Subaru models receive the highest possible rating for front crash prevention by IIHS highest rated claim from 2019 to 2020. The Pre-Collision Braking feature can even apply full braking force in emergency situations, helping you avoid or reduce frontal impacts.

When driving in wet conditions, itís important to always pay extra attention as unexpected things happen all too frequently. The driver of the Subaru Ascent in this video clearly missed this memo.

This clip appears to have been filmed by one of the rear-facing cameras of a Tesla Model 3 and captured the moment a white Ascent slammed into the rear of a Toyota Tacoma in what looks like a truly devastating impact.

The clip shows that the orange Tacoma was slowing down due to a traffic jam on the highway. Had the driver of the Subaru been paying attention, they would have noticed that traffic ahead was slowing and started to apply the brakes to come to a safe stop. Evidently, they werenít.

As the Tacoma slows to a crawl, the white Subaru approaches quickly without any signs of braking. Itís not until the final few moments that they applied the brakes, but by then, it was too late and the driver had no way of avoiding the Tacoma.

The moment of impact sees the front end of the Subaru slide under the rear of the Tacoma, pushing the rear of the pickup truck into the air and throwing debris across the road. When the Toyota comes into view of the Teslaís front-facing dashcam, the full extent of the damage becomes clear: it has been absolutely destroyed.


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Old 12-05-2020, 09:47 AM   #32
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Clear to me in that video that EyeSight engaged the brakes(at 6 seconds). They were also clearly going over the 30mph speed difference. That accident would have happened in any weather condition. And EyeSight lessened what happened there. Imagine if it didn't have it.

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