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Old 12-17-2020, 12:59 PM   #426
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Could just be the body kit they are testing. You can tell in the video its the same engine. Doesn't even have the better brakes.
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Old 12-18-2020, 03:59 PM   #427
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Yeah you can see a lip, side sill skirt and rear bumper skirt from that pic.
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Old 12-18-2020, 04:02 PM   #428
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Agreed, that looks like all it is. But why they need to "test" those components on the track is a little confusing? Are they really expecting a lip kit to make any measurable difference in track times?
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Old 12-18-2020, 04:04 PM   #429
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That kit would look good on a black BRZ. It did on mine.

Overall I like this BRZ, but I think the refresh will look better. Just my gut feeling.
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Old 12-18-2020, 06:11 PM   #430
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It could be a start to tuning for a tS or STI Sport trim. Or even some accessories parts testing. In addition to the body pieces, there could be some suspension, brake pads, braces upgrades.
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Old 12-19-2020, 01:43 AM   #431
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More pics of the GT300, this time driving on the track.

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Old 12-19-2020, 04:39 AM   #432
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Agreed, that looks like all it is. But why they need to "test" those components on the track is a little confusing? Are they really expecting a lip kit to make any measurable difference in track times?
It's probably just a high speed NVH test. You don't want to release a factory body kit that hums or whistles (or starts flapping) at 100mph.
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Old 12-19-2020, 07:28 PM   #433
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It's probably just a high speed NVH test. You don't want to release a factory body kit that hums or whistles (or starts flapping) at 100mph.
Yeah, you wouldn't want that happening. Looks at Toyota Supra mirrors... Damnit. Lol
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it's a good thing there aren't any homeless people on race tracks trying to clean windows, that side exit would be pretty dangerous, and piss off the homeless guy enough to where he'd probably try and break off your side mirror.
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I suppose this might not be as true any more with how "perfectly" built (meaning not over-built like a 2jz, and not underbuilt like some of the weaker engines) engines are, but the reason I've always wanted a turbo'd motor in the car is because turbo engines are historically much easier to crank up the power over stock.

All the "good" turbo motors are just a tune away from being 25% over stock. Usually only like $3k in bolt-ons away from a 50% power increase. To get those types of gains on NA motors, you usually have to ADD a forced induction system of some kind (like $5k baseline) and the motor usually has to have internal work done if you want to push anything more than pleb levels of boost to get to that 50%+ power improvement.
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Old 01-13-2021, 02:37 PM   #437
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I suppose this might not be as true any more with how "perfectly" built (meaning not over-built like a 2jz, and not underbuilt like some of the weaker engines) engines are, but the reason I've always wanted a turbo'd motor in the car is because turbo engines are historically much easier to crank up the power over stock.

All the "good" turbo motors are just a tune away from being 25% over stock. Usually only like $3k in bolt-ons away from a 50% power increase. To get those types of gains on NA motors, you usually have to ADD a forced induction system of some kind (like $5k baseline) and the motor usually has to have internal work done if you want to push anything more than pleb levels of boost to get to that 50%+ power improvement.
For me it depends on the manufacturer, engine & platform I'm dealing with; but in general in todays world, NA-4<FI-4<NA-6<FI-6<NA-V8<FI-V8, but I honestly prefer a winder of an NA engine over a FI counterpart (Eg. GT350 Voodoo over a blown V8), but there are platform considerations there as well; I'd rather a GT350 over a hellcat/demon/redeye challenger, and over a GT500, but if the GT500 came with a manual, and in higher production numbers, I might prefer that.

For Subaru though, it had better have a turbo; their engines & tunes suck, at least with a turbo the aftermarket will swoop in to fix the garbage tune. IF the FA24 in the BRZ is a winder that's fine, but I don't think it's going to like to be wound out.

I think the ND2 Miata is an example of a good NA I4 that fits the platform, I didn't think the ND1 NA I4 was enough for it.
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Old 01-13-2021, 03:36 PM   #438
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It's just disappointing that a Subaru/Toyota partnership could not produce an engine that exceeds the specs of the Honda F22c. After deciding no boost and upping the compression with nearly a half liter more displacement compared to the FA20, why not target the Honda motor? They have better fueling enabling super high compression along with higher displacement to work with. They don't need to shoot above an 8k redline with that long stroke to still have a wide power band.

We will drive them and compare to the FA20, but we should be comparing to the great NA 4 bangers that came before. Power output isn't end all be all, but c'mon.
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Old 01-13-2021, 03:43 PM   #439
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It's just disappointing that a Subaru/Toyota partnership could not produce an engine that exceeds the specs of the Honda F22c.

We will drive them and compare to the FA20, but we should be comparing to the great NA 4 bangers that came before. Power output isn't end all be all, but c'mon.
It's highly predictable. Subaru isn't a best in class engine manufacturer like Honda was. Combine that with ever more stringent emissions requirements and a lower MSRP (relative to the S2000) and you get the BRZ's engine. At least it's running direct and port injection. Every modern engine should, but few actually do.
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It's just disappointing that a Subaru/Toyota partnership could not produce an engine that exceeds the specs of the Honda F22c. After deciding no boost and upping the compression with nearly a half liter more displacement compared to the FA20, why not target the Honda motor? They have better fueling enabling super high compression along with higher displacement to work with. They don't need to shoot above an 8k redline with that long stroke to still have a wide power band.

We will drive them and compare to the FA20, but we should be comparing to the great NA 4 bangers that came before. Power output isn't end all be all, but c'mon.
Emissions is the most likely reason.
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It's just disappointing that a Subaru/Toyota partnership could not produce an engine that exceeds the specs of the Honda F22c. After deciding no boost and upping the compression with nearly a half liter more displacement compared to the FA20, why not target the Honda motor? They have better fueling enabling super high compression along with higher displacement to work with. They don't need to shoot above an 8k redline with that long stroke to still have a wide power band.

We will drive them and compare to the FA20, but we should be comparing to the great NA 4 bangers that came before. Power output isn't end all be all, but c'mon.

The F22c was absolutely gutless until VTEC. This produces more torque and much earlier in the powerband. Should be a better motor for actual driving.
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The F22c was absolutely gutless until VTEC. This produces more torque and much earlier in the powerband. Should be a better motor for actual driving.
But you knew when VTEC kicked in....yo!
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The F22c was absolutely gutless until VTEC. This produces more torque and much earlier in the powerband. Should be a better motor for actual driving.
"Actual driving" only happens in the upper 1/3 of car's power-band IMO. What people engage in 99% of the time is "people moving" and completely unrelated to one of the most enjoyable activities on the planet.
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"Hold its own" kicked in...y0

If there is any ANY hint an Ascent is quicker to x y z metric, engineering explained guy gone have more splainin to do.
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"Actual driving" only happens in the upper 1/3 of car's power-band IMO. What people engage in 99% of the time is "people moving" and completely unrelated to one of the most enjoyable activities on the planet.
Nah, there is the thing called “midrange” maybe you have heard of it. I owned an AP2 and it didn’t have it.

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Nah, there is the thing called “midrange” maybe you have heard of it. I owned an AP2 and it didn’t have it.

Most hyped motor ever made in automobiles.
Every Car Reviewers test drive segment;

“....the manuals are dying ... save the manuals....””....best dynamic feeling car ever....”
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“.....ugh not enough power to climb a small hill and pass at 60 in 6th gear, have to press petal and down shift 2 gears to pass......”
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Old 01-17-2021, 01:30 PM   #447
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Every Car Reviewers test drive segment;

“....the manuals are dying ... save the manuals....””....best dynamic feeling car ever....”
30 seconds later
“.....ugh not enough power to climb a small hill and pass at 60 in 6th gear, have to press petal and down shift 2 gears to pass......”
They always do that, with everything. The first thing that came to mind was when AMG replaced the supercharged 5.5 with the 6.2, I clearly remember a few publications commenting on how they liked it but missed the instant mountain of torque of the outgoing motor. But then when the 6.2 got replaced with the twin-turbo 4.0, publications then said that they missed the seemingly endless top-end of the 6.2.
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Smile I got to take a bunch of pics of the new 2022 BRZ... enjoy!

Hi everyone!


This past Friday, we started the 20th Annual 48hrs of Tristate Subaru Enthusiast Charity Drive for Make-A-Wish at Subaru of America HQ, where they allowed me the opportunity for an exclusive photo shoot of the new 2022 Subaru BRZ!!! I wish I had my CPLs with me - but I wasn't about to say no, because I didn't, lol! ***128514;


Anyway, I think it's a great refinement!!! I personally think they took the original design, made it a little sleeker, while maintaining some of the aggressive looks. And, I can't wait until they give me some time behind the wheel!!! I'd love to see what the FA24 can do!


Here's the picture gallery!!! Enjoy!!!

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That looks great. Nice photos.

Thanks for sharing!
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