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Old 12-30-2020, 02:01 AM   #101
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Maybe they mean going back like the 2004 STI with no speakers, radio, and option with no AC. I had a 2004 STI that had no speakers or radio but couldn't let go of the AC...
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Old 12-30-2020, 10:21 AM   #102
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But how? Current WRX:

3,294 to 3,527 lbs

Base Levorg gained 65 lbs and top trim stayed the same. But the Levorg only has one engine this generation and it's not an FA. A higher performance FA24DIT Levorg would surely gain weight everywhere, and my guess the SGP WRX with that engine would too. Unless we're not getting that engine in the WRX and we'll see a hi po version of the CB18.
Wheels (no reason to go above 18's, dare I say 17's), tires, CF roof, CF driveshaft, suspension components. Considering that the car will not be a limited run surely these things are achievable in volume production.
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Old 12-30-2020, 11:45 AM   #103
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no matter what happens, the SGP will add weight, the brz could not escape the weight gain either. how much weight it will gain may be canceled out but the gain in power. the possible lower center of gravity, and the global platform will help with steering and handling. but right now the engine and drivetrain are the wild cards here
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Old 12-30-2020, 12:08 PM   #104
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Bruh you ain't ever gettin' a CF driveshaft from Subaru from the factory. Especially on a car that is abused like the STI. First inclement weather or any road not crystal smooth, that CF driveshaft will be chunked.

I believe STI does make a CF driveshaft for the BRZ and some have installed it, only to have it break. I haven't read up on it in about 6 years or so.
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Old 12-30-2020, 01:09 PM   #105
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The only way the STI looses significant weight over the outgoing model is if it shrinks to a smaller vehicle class. At this point the loaded/limited model may very well approach 4,000lbs, and at that point it doesn't matter how much horsepower it has, that's a lot of weight to haul around.
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Old 12-30-2020, 02:59 PM   #106
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The only way the STI looses significant weight over the outgoing model is if it shrinks to a smaller vehicle class. At this point the loaded/limited model may very well approach 4,000lbs, and at that point it doesn't matter how much horsepower it has, that's a lot of weight to haul around.
Cut the trunk out and make it a hatch. BAM, 100lbs right there.

4000lbs, no thank you. I'd rather pick up a CTR if that was going to happen. It's not like the STI has characteristics of a RWD car.
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Old 12-30-2020, 04:18 PM   #107
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I have no clue why you'd think the STI would approach 4k lbs fully loaded. It's not even close to that now. The STI has done a damn fine job of keeping weight down while adding safety and upgrading tech. Plus wheels have grown.
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Old 12-30-2020, 04:31 PM   #108
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I have no clue why you'd think the STI would approach 4k lbs fully loaded. It's not even close to that now. The STI has done a damn fine job of keeping weight down while adding safety and upgrading tech. Plus wheels have grown.
Please go back to 18s.
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Old 12-30-2020, 06:05 PM   #109
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Please go back to 18s.
Agreed. The only thing I’d use stock rims for is during winter with snow tires. The 19s are pretty useless.
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Old 12-30-2020, 06:50 PM   #110
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Agreed. The only thing I’d use stock rims for is during winter with snow tires. The 19s are pretty useless.
They weigh as much as a boat anchor as well.
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Old 12-30-2020, 09:39 PM   #111
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subaru will not carbon fiber everything. it would raise the cost of STI out of our comfort zone. the use of aluminum and high strength steel should add rigidity will keeping the weight gain at a minimum. if they can update the STI and there is only an addition of 100-150lbs then that is huge progress. 18in wheels would be lighter than the current 19in and be a much better ride. and wouldn't a 2-door STI be lighter than a sedan or hatchback. the cheaper brz can be an introductory model to the subaru sports cars. toyota has the supra and will soon have the gr86. we can have the brz and 2 door STI coupe
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Old 12-30-2020, 11:17 PM   #112
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A 2 door would not necessarily be lighter if it's a converted 4-door WRX. The now defunct 2-door Civic weighed the same as the 4-door sedan.
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Old 12-31-2020, 11:24 AM   #113
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They weigh as much as a boat anchor as well.
Hey, at least they’re ugly!
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Old 01-04-2021, 02:30 PM   #114
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Bruh you ain't ever gettin' a CF driveshaft from Subaru from the factory. Especially on a car that is abused like the STI. First inclement weather or any road not crystal smooth, that CF driveshaft will be chunked.

I believe STI does make a CF driveshaft for the BRZ and some have installed it, only to have it break. I haven't read up on it in about 6 years or so.
The M3 had a carbon driveshaft for years. You can make them perfectly acceptable for daily driver duty. Reason they wouldn't do it is cost.

I don't think the VA replacement has any shot at being lighter than the VA, but I doubt it will grow by more than a couple hundred pounds. 3500-3600lbs is likely. It will still be a decent bit quicker if it really gets another 70+hp.
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The M3 had a carbon driveshaft for years. You can make them perfectly acceptable for daily driver duty. Reason they wouldn't do it is cost.

I don't think the VA replacement has any shot at being lighter than the VA, but I doubt it will grow by more than a couple hundred pounds. 3500-3600lbs is likely. It will still be a decent bit quicker if it really gets another 70+hp.
It would be decently faster with a better power band and no change in peak numbers. The STI isn’t fast or particularly nice in any way. It wouldn’t take much to make a much better car.
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Old 01-04-2021, 02:50 PM   #116
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It would be decently faster with a better power band and no change in peak numbers. The STI isn’t fast or particularly nice in any way. It wouldn’t take much to make a much better car.
There's no question it's going to have a much broader power band with the FA24 variant. We all know the EJ is ancient (and so does Subaru).
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