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Old 03-16-2018, 05:32 PM   #26
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Auto climate control always runs the A/C. Two of my cars have it, and it never gets used.

Also, I only want a Panamera because it has 88 buttons.
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Old 03-16-2018, 11:34 PM   #27
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I'm not crazy about these digital clusters as well...I'm glad I bought a 2016 CPO S3, the last year for traditional gauges.

That's where it's headed though, guess we need to accept it.
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Old 03-17-2018, 12:15 PM   #28
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I am not bitching, it is a fact. A light bulb was made to replace. You cannot compare the two.

Aftermarket HID kits are crap on a good day.
More talking out your ass, as usual, in your rush to completely miss the point being made.

When HIDs were first coming out there were articles being written by luddites that were sure this would result in those cars (like early Lexuses) being devalued quickly out of warranty.

Now you can buy full OEM-quality bi-zenon projectors and bulbs to retrofit into any vehicle for a few hundred dollars. The fears of expensive to replace parts was completely unfounded.

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Their would have to be a market for that dash. Dash replacements are not typically available except form dealer.
Every part is available from the dealer. It's a federal law that they have to be available to owners for 10 years.

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Over-complicating these things is not smart for longevity. An aftermarket dash would have to work with the onboard software. Which will be unique to every car.
As has already been pointed out, the current dashes on cars are comprised of servos driven by computers. A LCD display is far less complication. This is technology that has been mature for decades. Even the safety-conscious aviation industry has ditched mechanical gauges for glass cockpits.

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Datsuns rusting is a sad truth, I cannot deny that. But they were not killed because of any short comings of drivetrains, I promise you that. They only imported like 5000 total to the states so them being not present in large quantities is understandable. They were also not crushed due to dashes not working (save the clock, which was a gear driven mechanical unit) that is just crazy.
Plenty of old cars get traded in and crushed when things like odometers break. It kills the value of the vehicle.

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How many Luminas do you see anymore.

How many 1st gen Eclipses do yousee

How many Berrettas do you see.

Those cars went extinct. A purely mechanical car will out last a modern digital car. Every wire corrodes, every sensor goes bad. The knowledge to repair them is gone. They become too expensive to fix or the tech goes obsolete and is not supported.
I'm really not sure what you're trying to say with these examples. They're very mechanical cars and they're mostly all gone because they were disposable heaps when new and their values were at scrap levels 5 years after they rolled off the production lines.

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How many folks are clamoring for an Iphone 4? That is the future of digital cars.
How many people are clamoring for a 2010 Altima? Whatever point you're trying to make is apples vs automobiles. An LCD screen on the dash doesn't make a car into a cellphone, no matter how much you want it to.

iPhone 4s are still worth between $25 and $45 on Swappa. Considering the number of new $100 cell phone options on the market, that says a lot about an 8 year old cell phone's lasting design and runs a bit counter to whatever point you may have been attempting to make.

Edit: Oh, and you can still buy new batteries, screens, and buttons for the iPhone 4. https://www.ifixit.com/Store/iPhone/iPhone-4 I replaced the battery in my backup phone (an iPhone 5S) two weeks ago.

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Old 03-17-2018, 01:28 PM   #29
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Higher end cars are getting higher end digital gauges/dashboard. It would irk me that VWís new layout is cheaper than Audiís.
Like, the resolution is lower and the gauges donít smoothly sweep as the car accelerates.

IMO, this doesnít make the car better, because whatís wrong with current physical gauges in the first place?

Progress for the sake of progress.
Iím sure they look cool.
So does my iPhone X, but I miss type **** every time I send a text and post in the forum.
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Old 03-18-2018, 09:22 PM   #30
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More talking out your ass, as usual, in your rush to completely miss the point being made.

When HIDs were first coming out there were articles being written by luddites that were sure this would result in those cars (like early Lexuses) being devalued quickly out of warranty.

Now you can buy full OEM-quality bi-zenon projectors and bulbs to retrofit into any vehicle for a few hundred dollars. The fears of expensive to replace parts was completely unfounded.

Every part is available from the dealer. It's a federal law that they have to be available to owners for 10 years.

As has already been pointed out, the current dashes on cars are comprised of servos driven by computers. A LCD display is far less complication. This is technology that has been mature for decades. Even the safety-conscious aviation industry has ditched mechanical gauges for glass cockpits.

Plenty of old cars get traded in and crushed when things like odometers break. It kills the value of the vehicle.



I'm really not sure what you're trying to say with these examples. They're very mechanical cars and they're mostly all gone because they were disposable heaps when new and their values were at scrap levels 5 years after they rolled off the production lines.

How many people are clamoring for a 2010 Altima? Whatever point you're trying to make is apples vs automobiles. An LCD screen on the dash doesn't make a car into a cellphone, no matter how much you want it to.

iPhone 4s are still worth between $25 and $45 on Swappa. Considering the number of new $100 cell phone options on the market, that says a lot about an 8 year old cell phone's lasting design and runs a bit counter to whatever point you may have been attempting to make.

Edit: Oh, and you can still buy new batteries, screens, and buttons for the iPhone 4. https://www.ifixit.com/Store/iPhone/iPhone-4 I replaced the battery in my backup phone (an iPhone 5S) two weeks ago.
Say what ever you want. All your long rant is meaningless because the fact is a 2018 M3 will be in a crap yard by 2036 because it will be too expensive and obsolete. Electronics wither and die over time. Cars electronics change too fast for any company to invest too much into any of them. Why get an aftermarket company to make a dash or an climate control ECU for 1 model year. The economies of scale are just not their.

In your hope for defending a silicone wafer you are not realizing the point. Mechanical things are not as efficient, not as clean, nor as smooth or silent. But any machine shop can make parts and keep it alive. Simple things stand the test of time.

Cars are not what they use to be. They are tuning into mobile communication devices. Cars are judged on how much tech they can pack into each model. Tech that is improving on practically an hourly basis.

The aftermarket has no time to keep up with the pace.

Maybe I am wrong. But I seriously doubt it.
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Old 03-19-2018, 11:53 AM   #31
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Say what ever you want. All your long rant is meaningless because the fact is a 2018 M3 will be in a crap yard by 2036 because it will be too expensive and obsolete. Electronics wither and die over time. Cars electronics change too fast for any company to invest too much into any of them. Why get an aftermarket company to make a dash or an climate control ECU for 1 model year. The economies of scale are just not their.

In your hope for defending a silicone wafer you are not realizing the point. Mechanical things are not as efficient, not as clean, nor as smooth or silent. But any machine shop can make parts and keep it alive. Simple things stand the test of time.

Cars are not what they use to be. They are tuning into mobile communication devices. Cars are judged on how much tech they can pack into each model. Tech that is improving on practically an hourly basis.

The aftermarket has no time to keep up with the pace.

Maybe I am wrong. But I seriously doubt it.
I don't know about you but I've seen no shortage of mechanic gauges die over the years. They aren't that cheap to replace. Just like anything else, in the future, you'll have a stockpile of replacements via a junked car, new old stock, and aftermarket options.
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