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Old 04-24-2008, 11:23 AM   #1
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Default 03 WRX, spun bearings, let's discuss options

First, let me put out a big "lick my unshowered taint" to those non-moderators who will inevitably see fit to remind me this is OT.

03 WRX, 16g turbo, UTEC, STI pinks, big TMIC blahblahblah. 45k miles, dynoed 260 whp/260 trq once upon a time. Was eating oil about 1qt every 1500 miles.

Due to low miles, normally I'd like to keep the car for a few more years, but the babyseat is a tight fit in back, and if/when babyWoF 2.0 comes along, it just wont work.

Option #1a.
Replace shortblock with a new ej20, straight replacement (maybe leave out the TGVs). New sb will have SOA warranty, sorta. About $2500. Retune optional but not required. Keep car.

Option #1b.
Replace shortblock with a new ej20, return the car to stock form. Sell off parts in Classified for pennies on the dollar. Sell car. Harbor lifelong resentment.

Option #1c.
Find some mechanically oriented Subie fan to buy the car as-is and let them work out the choices. This will probably be the most difficult to accomplish. How to price ?

Option #2.
Replace shortblock with a new ej257, leave out the TGVs. New sb will not have SOA warranty since its a Frankenstein. Will require a retune and probably bigger injectors. At least $500 over Option 1a, more like $1000 if injectors. Keep car. Hopefully find enthusiast to buy it down the road without parting it out (not an option with the hybrid block)
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:24 AM   #2
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definitely return the car back to stock, sell and move on to a more robust platform.
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:25 AM   #3
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Mobil1 eh?
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:33 AM   #4
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Mobil1 eh?
i heard about the issues, but i've continued to use it without any oil burning issues.

go option #2, and drive it until it dies (again), then sell it.
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:33 AM   #5
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2.5 block w/ WRX heads is a NICE combo w/ the UTEC.
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:35 AM   #6
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i heard about the issues, but i've continued to use it without any oil burning issues.
indeed, there are five safe shots in Russian roulette.
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:37 AM   #7
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I think I've burned half a quart in 4000 miles on my Castrol Synthetic fed 16 year old EJ22T. Actually take that back, most of it wasn't burned; rather leaked out the rear main seal slowly as it sat.


You wackos and your fancy EJ257's with fancy Mobil motor oil. bah.
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:39 AM   #8
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Yep, Mobil 1 from about 4k miles till about 35k miles, then back to 5w30 dino oil, 10w30 over the winter. Never again.
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:40 AM   #9
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Two of our guys down here did the 2.5 swap using their existing 2.0 heads. The 2.5's are absolute torque monsters after getting them tuned by a reputable shop.
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1. Call AOD for a shortblock
2. ????
3. Profit!
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:46 AM   #11
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Why would option 2 be $1000 with injectors? If you have to re-tune anyways, just mod the stockers and sell the pinks. Profit?????
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:49 AM   #12
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1. Call AOD for a shortblock
2. ????
3. Profit!
You don't want my shortblock, it is most definitely hosed.
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:57 AM   #13
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Why would option 2 be $1000 with injectors? If you have to re-tune anyways, just mod the stockers and sell the pinks. Profit?????

It's distinctly possible Im missing something.

Currently STI pinks seem to be on the ragged edge for a 16g. With the appearance of Deatschwerks and the like, a set of used pinks aren't worth much anymore ($200 ?), and I'm more than a bit leery (as is my tuner) about modding the blues.

Retune: $400 (min.)
PE 650: $650
Sell pinks : -$200
Sell blues: -$100 ?

OK, maybe $750, plus block upcharge

EDIT: Found ej257 for only $100 more than ej20 block locally, hrmmmm.
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:59 AM   #14
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I like Option 1b. Never underestimate lifelong resentment.
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:02 PM   #15
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The 2.5 block is great for torque and all, but that torque will be hard on your clutch, tranny and axles. Better budget for that too.
I vote 1b because you sound like you will be done with this car soon anyway. Buy a Legacy or something...
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:04 PM   #16
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Currently STI pinks seem to be on the ragged edge for a 16g. With the appearance of Deatschwerks and the like, a set of used pinks aren't worth much anymore ($200 ?), and I'm more than a bit leery (as is my tuner) about modding the blues.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...jector+and+mod

I KNOW the pinks aren't enough. I had them on a super 16 and I think the motor was knocking when I got rid of it.

Personally, if your tuner is good, I wouldn't worry about the injectors. Plenty of owners have had decent results with them, and $500 is not a small amount of money to me.

Just my .02
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:10 PM   #17
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2.5 block w/ WRX heads is a NICE combo w/ the UTEC.
You going to help me rebuild mine if/when it blows?
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:11 PM   #18
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This is the second person in as many days I've read about on here that had Mobil 1, went back to dino, and THEN had problems...
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:12 PM   #19
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The 2.5 block is great for torque and all, but that torque will be hard on your clutch, tranny and axles. Better budget for that too.
I vote 1b because you sound like you will be done with this car soon anyway. Buy a Legacy or something...
Alright, well a new clutch just went on back in November.

Again, maybe Im missing something. With the 257 block, wouldnt this essentially be a destroked 2006 WRX drivetrain (i.e, same "weak" treansmission compared to full-on STI) ?

A turbo Leggy wagon would be nice. if only they still made them with manual.
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:21 PM   #20
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Due to low miles, normally I'd like to keep the car for a few more years, but the babyseat is a tight fit in back, and if/when babyWoF 2.0 comes along, it just wont work.
We just had our second kid and yes, indeed, the rear-facing childseat does make the passenger seat a bit tight, but it's only for a year. When they go forward-facing, it's not tight anymore. I'm 6'2" tall and my three year old rides behind me without complaint.

We also have a minivan as a second car, too, so we don't need to take long trips in the WRX, it's basically my daily driver and used for errand-running. Also, when ross 2.0 gets old enough where I can take her and her sister running errands without her mother (off breastmilk, on solids, on formula), the space in the passenger seat won't matter since no one will be there.

So I'd say that just because you might have two kids isn't a good enough reason to drop a WRX, especially if you have a second "responsible family vehicle".
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I vote option 1a.
I went through this dilemma a few weeks ago after blowing engine #2 in the rally car (bad sensor was causing it to lean out at high loads, melting pistons!)

I had a stock WRX motor with melted pistons but the heads were fine.
I researched the STi block/WRX heads deal and decided against it since the STi sb has forged rods but NOT forged pistons, and the WRX heads really only work well if you stick STi cams in it too, for an extra $500ish.

The shortblocks are suprisingly cheap from the dealer though. About $1500 for the WRX, $1700ish for the STi.
I went with the stock WRX block for now, I'll save up some cash for fancy bits to build a power motor somewhere down the line.

Good luck.
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Old 04-24-2008, 01:09 PM   #22
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Option #1.. a or b.. decide between the two after you get it running again. Leave the TGVs out anyway.. I doubt anyone buying your car will care.. and if they do, they probably want them gone anyway.
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Old 04-24-2008, 01:26 PM   #23
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your car will have no warranty period as its modified w/ engine mgmt.

a 257 s/b does not require bigger injectors necessarily.


if you're really just trying to save money, why dont you just buy a set of bearings and re-use your current parts?

otherwise a 257 block is probably the cheapest and make the most sense. There's threads all over about cleaning up your wrx heads, and you can even re-use your stock head bolts. clevite's can be had for cheap money.
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Old 04-24-2008, 01:26 PM   #24
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It's distinctly possible Im missing something.

Currently STI pinks seem to be on the ragged edge for a 16g. With the appearance of Deatschwerks and the like, a set of used pinks aren't worth much anymore ($200 ?), and I'm more than a bit leery (as is my tuner) about modding the blues.

Retune: $400 (min.)
PE 650: $650
Sell pinks : -$200
Sell blues: -$100 ?

OK, maybe $750, plus block upcharge

EDIT: Found ej257 for only $100 more than ej20 block locally, hrmmmm.
Get modded stock injectors. It's a lot cheaper and you'll want more than 650cc. ~800cc w/ a 2.5 is a great way to go.

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You going to help me rebuild mine if/when it blows?
No, you wouldn't want that. I can book you an appointment....
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Old 04-24-2008, 01:28 PM   #25
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your car will have no warranty period as its modified w/ engine mgmt.

a 257 s/b does not require bigger injectors necessarily.


if you're really just trying to save money, why dont you just buy a set of bearings and re-use your current parts?

otherwise a 257 block is probably the cheapest and make the most sense. There's threads all over about cleaning up your wrx heads, and you can even re-use your stock head bolts. clevite's can be had for cheap money.
on a 16G he will run out of injectors. He'll be maxing them out. With a good TMIC or FMIC, 800cc injectors, and new maps for the UTEC, he'd have a beast.

There's no reason to stick with a 2.0 liter unless you're really strapped for cash. A 2.5 is a whole different animal (properly tuned).
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