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Old 10-07-2023, 10:20 AM   #126
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FIA acts over tyre safety fears in Qatar

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They said that its going to be a forced 3 stopper
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Old 10-07-2023, 05:14 PM   #127
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Verstappen third time championship winner
Piastri first win in a sprint race
I hate this race, I hate the camera perspectives, seeing three SC in a race with 19 laps is annoying as hell, I feel more and more the americanisation of F1
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Agreed
This weekend was a total clusterfk,
From the start of practice to the race.

How many off track infractions.
Perez had so many I lost count.

They need to bring back Bridgstone.
They make a good tire, wet and dry.
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Old 10-08-2023, 06:12 PM   #129
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Result of the Qatar Airways Qatar Grand Prix.

Pos Driver Team Laps Gap
1 Verstappen Red Bull 57 1h 27:39.168
2 Piastri McLaren 57 + 0:04.833
3 Norris McLaren 57 + 0:05.969
4 Russell Mercedes 57 + 0:34.119
5 Leclerc Ferrari 57 + 0:38.976
6 Alonso Aston Martin 57 + 0:49.032
7 Ocon Alpine 57 + 1:02.390
8 Bottas Alfa Romeo 57 + 1:06.563
9 Zhou Alfa Romeo 57 + 1:16.127
10 Perez Red Bull 57 + 1:20.181
11 Stroll Aston Martin 57 + 1:21.652
12 Gasly Alpine 57 + 1:22.300
13 Albon Williams 57 + 1:31.014
14 Magnussen Haas 56 + 1 Lap
15 Tsunoda AlphaTauri 56 + 1 Lap
16 Hulkenberg Haas 56 + 1 Lap
17 Lawson AlphaTauri 56 + 1 Lap
Sargeant Williams 40 Driver Unwell
Hamilton Mercedes 0 Accident Damage
NS Sainz Ferrari Did Not Start

Fastest Lap: Verstappen (Red Bull) 1:24.319 (Lap 56)

Both Mercedes collide at start, Lewis gets knocked out.
Alonso tosses 3rd place away.
Lots of track penalties.
Good recovery by Russell
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Old 10-10-2023, 01:40 PM   #130
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performance of Perez again not acceptable
looks like Piastri is the next hot newcomer and Norris is not happy with this situation
Gladstone Gander Hamilton got a taste of his own medicine, finally
Leclerc unimpressive
spoiled brat Stroll deserves a severe beating behind closed garage doors
Russell has shown how to overtake without DRS, for me he was the man of the race
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Old 10-13-2023, 09:49 AM   #131
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Pirelli continues as F1's sole tyre supplier

https://www.pitpass.com/76365/Pirell...-tyre-supplier

As expected, Pirelli will continue to be F1's sole tyre supplier having agreed a new contract from 2025 to 2027.

There is also the additional option, from the FIA and FOM, to prolong the partnership for a further season.

This latest agreement, set in motion with the technical dossier received from the FIA in June, has been ratified by the FIA World Motor Sport Council and nominates Pirelli as sole supplier to the Formula One World Championship as well as the Formula 2 and Formula 3 championships.

By the end of this latest contract (including the possible extension), Pirelli will have supplied Formula 1 for 18 consecutive years, having opened its most recent chapter in 2011.

"From its debut in 2011 with 13-inch high-degradation tyres to hybrid power units in 2014, then wider tyres from 2017 before moving to the current 18-inch size from 2022, Pirelli has always risen to the occasion with reliable products through every type of surface and weather, supporting the teams, the FIA, and Formula 1 in a timely and flexible way," reads the statement from the Italian manufacturer.

Pirelli is not only Formula 1's tyre supplier but also a global partner in the worldwide promotion of the sport, thanks to a number of initiatives both on and off the track. These include projects aimed at bringing on the next generation of young drivers throughout all the different feeder series - notably Formula 2 and Formula 3.

In addition, Pirelli supports the environmental sustainability targets set by Formula 1, as the sport has pledged to be Net Zero Carbon by 2030. The company is on the front line of research and development - together with the FIA and Formula 1 - into innovations on both a sporting and technical level, to complement the work already carried out to reduce CO2 emissions throughout the entire life cycle of a Formula 1 tyre.

As a further demonstration of Pirelli's sustainability work, starting from 2024, all tyres used in FIA Formula One World Championship events will be FSC-certified (Forest Stewardship Council). FSC forest management certification ensures full traceability of forest based materials along the supply chain and confirms that the plantations of the forest-based components of the tyres are managed in a way that preserves biological diversity and brings benefits to the lives of local communities and workers, while fostering economic sustainability.

"We're delighted to extend or presence in Formula 1 and its other related championships," said Marco Tronchetti Provera, Pirelli Executive Vice-President. "Pirelli was there when Formula 1 was born in 1950, and with this latest renewal, the firm will now be a protagonist throughout nearly two decades of the modern Formula 1 era. Thanks to the impetus from Liberty Media and the support of the FIA, the sport is enjoying an extraordinary period of growth both in terms of audience and global expansion, increasing its following among younger generations as well. Innovation and technology are locked into Pirelli's DNA, and Formula 1 constitutes the ultimate open air laboratory to not only try out and test new technical solutions, but also to accelerate fresh research, development, and production processes in making tyres. I would also like to thank everyone at Pirelli for their passionate commitment and the quality of their work over the years, which will continue as we extend this partnership together. Our commitment to sustainability is equally strong, as proved by the FSC certification that will be introduced to our F1 tyres from next year. Being at the forefront of motorsport's pinnacle until at least 2027 adds another important value dimension to our company."

"Pirelli has been operating at the top level of motor sport for many years," added Mohammed Ben Sulayem, "and I am sure that they will continue to deliver innovation and excellence on the world stage. Formula 1 is a unique challenge for the tyre supplier, and Pirelli has demonstrated great commitment to producing tyres that meet the extreme demands of these incredible cars. I would like to thank Pirelli for its ongoing support of motor sport not only in Formula 1, but in many other championships and categories at every level. Work will continue in the coming years to take further strides both in terms of performance and sustainability, and Pirelli have made strong commitments to both of these targets."

"Since returning to the sport in 2011 Pirelli has been an invaluable partner," said Stefano Domenicali, "supporting Formula 1 through new generations of technology and technical regulations and delivering tyres to enable fantastic racing for our fans. The company's commitment to quality, innovation and their deep knowledge of our sport will be vital in the coming years as we approach our new regulations in 2026 and the work Pirelli is focused on relating to sustainability, proven by the FSC certification, will ensure we continue to work together towards our shared Net Zero 2030 goal.
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Old 10-20-2023, 07:32 PM   #132
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Times from today's qualifying session for the Lenovo United States Grand Prix.

Pos Driver Team Time Gap
1 Leclerc Ferrari 1:34.723 130.196 mph
2 Norris McLaren 1:34.853 0.130
3 Hamilton Mercedes 1:34.862 0.139
4 Sainz Ferrari 1:34.945 0.222
5 Russell Mercedes 1:35.079 0.356
6 Verstappen Red Bull 1:35.081 0.358
7 Gasly Alpine 1:35.089 0.366
8 Ocon Alpine 1:35.154 0.431
9 Perez Red Bull 1:35.173 0.450
10 Piastri McLaren 1:35.467 0.744
11 Tsunoda AlphaTauri 1:35.697
12 Zhou Alfa Romeo 1:35.698
13 Bottas Alfa Romeo 1:35.858
14 Magnussen Haas 1:35.880
15 Ricciardo AlphaTauri 1:35.974
16 Hulkenberg Haas 1:36.235
17 Alonso Aston Martin 1:36.268
18 Albon Williams 1:36.315
19 Stroll Aston Martin 1:36.589
20 Sargeant Williams 1:36.827
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sprint was boring as hell, so will be the race too
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Wasn't too boring
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Old 10-22-2023, 06:02 PM   #135
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the booing against Verstappen was really weak sauce
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Old 10-22-2023, 06:25 PM   #136
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Result of the Lenovo United States Grand Prix.

Pos Driver Team Laps Gap
1 Verstappen Red Bull 56 1h 35:21.362
2 Hamilton Mercedes 56 + 0:02.225
3 Norris McLaren 56 + 0:10.730
4 Sainz Ferrari 56 + 0:15.134
5 Perez Red Bull 56 + 0:18.460
6 Leclerc Ferrari 56 + 0:24.662
7 Russell Mercedes 56 + 0:24.999
8 Gasly Alpine 56 + 0:47.996
9 Stroll Aston Martin 56 + 0:48.696
10 Tsunoda AlphaTauri 56 + 1:14.385
11 Albon Williams 56 + 1:26.714
12 Sargeant Williams 56 + 1:27.998
13 Hulkenberg Haas 56 + 1:29.904
14 Bottas Alfa Romeo 56 + 1:38.601
15 Zhou Alfa Romeo 55 + 1 Lap
16 Magnussen Haas 55 + 1 Lap
17 Ricciardo AlphaTauri 55 + 1 Lap
Alonso Aston Martin 49 Retired
Piastri McLaren 10 Accident Damage
Ocon Alpine 6 Accident Damage


Max holds on despite brake issues.
Ferrari bone headed move to put Leclerc on a one stopper. Ditto for Riccanrdo.
Haas's huge updates made them one of the worse teams on the grid.
AM updates was so bad they went back to the old spec car.
Now we know why Audi may reconsider teaming up with AR.

Update. Lewis and Leclerc may be disqualify for excessive plank wear.

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Lewis Hamilton and Charles Leclerc have both been disqualified from the United States Grand Prix due to excessive wear to their planks.

https://www.pitpass.com/76453/Hamilt...c-disqualified

Result of the Lenovo United States Grand Prix.

Pos Driver Team Laps Gap
1 Verstappen Red Bull 56 1h 35:21.362
DQ Hamilton Mercedes 56 Disqualified
2 Norris McLaren 56 + 0:10.730
3 Sainz Ferrari 56 + 0:15.134
4 Perez Red Bull 56 + 0:18.460
DQ Leclerc Ferrari 56 Disqualified
5 Russell Mercedes 56 + 0:24.999
6 Gasly Alpine 56 + 0:47.996
7 Stroll Aston Martin 56 + 0:48.696
8 Tsunoda AlphaTauri 56 + 1:14.385
9 Albon Williams 56 + 1:26.714
10 Sargeant Williams 56 + 1:27.998
11 Hulkenberg Haas 56 + 1:29.904
12 Bottas Alfa Romeo 56 + 1:38.601
13 Zhou Alfa Romeo 55 + 1 Lap
14 Magnussen Haas 55 + 1 Lap
15 Ricciardo AlphaTauri 55 + 1 Lap
Alonso Aston Martin 49 Retired
Piastri McLaren 10 Accident Damage
Ocon Alpine 6 Accident Damage

Sargeant gets his 1st point
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Lewis Hamilton and Charles Leclerc have both been disqualified from the United States Grand Prix due to excessive wear to their planks.

https://www.pitpass.com/76453/Hamilt...c-disqualified

Result of the Lenovo United States Grand Prix.

Pos Driver Team Laps Gap
1 Verstappen Red Bull 56 1h 35:21.362
DQ Hamilton Mercedes 56 Disqualified
2 Norris McLaren 56 + 0:10.730
3 Sainz Ferrari 56 + 0:15.134
4 Perez Red Bull 56 + 0:18.460
DQ Leclerc Ferrari 56 Disqualified
5 Russell Mercedes 56 + 0:24.999
6 Gasly Alpine 56 + 0:47.996
7 Stroll Aston Martin 56 + 0:48.696
8 Tsunoda AlphaTauri 56 + 1:14.385
9 Albon Williams 56 + 1:26.714
10 Sargeant Williams 56 + 1:27.998
11 Hulkenberg Haas 56 + 1:29.904
12 Bottas Alfa Romeo 56 + 1:38.601
13 Zhou Alfa Romeo 55 + 1 Lap
14 Magnussen Haas 55 + 1 Lap
15 Ricciardo AlphaTauri 55 + 1 Lap
Alonso Aston Martin 49 Retired
Piastri McLaren 10 Accident Damage
Ocon Alpine 6 Accident Damage

Sargeant gets his 1st point
I just saw the DQ from plank wear. I get technical rules, but stuff like that is frustrating to hear about hours later.
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The plank wear may be down to the track surface.

https://www.pitpass.com/76459/COTA-n...mplain-drivers

Though always popular with fans and drivers alike, due to the fact that the man who first envisaged it, Tavo Hellmund, modelled it on some of the world's most iconic tracks, this year the Texas circuit has come in for a lot of criticism, a situation that will not be helped by the disqualification of Lewis Hamilton and Charles Leclerc.
Always a fairly bumpy track surface, the decision to resurface parts of the track appears to have worsened the situation, with drivers suffering throughout the weekend, and Mercedes citing the bumps as one of the main reasons for Hamilton's disqualification.
Not helping the situation was the fact that this was a Sprint weekend, consequently teams had little opportunity to experiment with set-ups.
"At the moment it feels like it's better suited to a rally car," said race winner Max Verstappen. "Like, I'm jumping and bouncing around.
"In an F1 car, you probably don't see it as much because of course we are glued to the ground because of the downforce," he explained, "but the bumps and jumps that we have in some places, it's way too much.
"I don't think it's F1 level," he said. "I love this track, honestly, the layout is amazing, but we definitely need new tarmac."
"I like some of the bumps because it adds character to a circuit," said Hamilton, though he had yet to learn of his disqualification, "but there's way too many.
"We could work, we as drivers in the GPDA, we're open to discussing with them and helping them maybe not doing the whole thing so it costs a fortune," he added. "Like, from the last corner to the start line, for example, that's smooth, then the rest is bumpy. The pitlane is smooth, but there are other areas that for sure we could patch up and improve."
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That aside, I enjoyed watching the race and seeing the different Pit strategies.

I remember years ago when Michael Schumacher slide down the curb at Spa and the plank was damaged beyond limits.
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Also this.
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I just saw the DQ from plank wear. I get technical rules, but stuff like that is frustrating to hear about hours later.
Well, that's when they perform the inspections. What's frustrating is that it doesn't appear to be "random." Looks like they did everyone on the podium and then the pole sitter. Well, the DQs resulted in Sainz popping up into the podium, so why wasn't his car also inspected? Why wasn't Russel's car?

If they didn't inspect those cars because those teams need the points due to a heated "runners up" constructor's championship, that's bogus as well. McLaren stands to benefit if BOTH Mercedes cars and BOTH Ferraris are DQ'd. If I were McLaren, I'd be upset about them not doing due diligence.
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Also this.
It was pretty low-class. It appears to be Checo fans. Even still, why boo Max? Because he's absolutely throttling Checo this season? Because Marko? Then boo Marko. Don't boo a driver that put together a heck of a race, coming back from P6, DURING his national anthem. Just low-class. Just to be clear, I take this stance with the booing at Silverstone (against Max) and the booing in Belgium (against Lewis) as being low-class as well.
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I'm sure every car gets inspected for plank wear by the FIA.

I was also not impressed by the booing. I think it's more that someone else other than Lewis is winning. I don't recall anyone booing when he was winning everything, for all those years.

It's also more of an indication of the way things are around the world now. People don't have the respect as they used too. I was a big Nigel Mansell fan, but I would never think of booing when Senna or Prost won.
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I'm sure every car gets inspected for plank wear by the FIA.

nope, only four cars were inspected, Jo Bauer says they donīt have the time to do more.
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nope, only four cars were inspected, Jo Bauer says they donīt have the time to do more.
Interesting. They kind of made a thing, talking about how good he was. I wonder if they just do a random check, and these cars got the short straw...
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Interesting. They kind of made a thing, talking about how good he was. I wonder if they just do a random check, and these cars got the short straw...
Hardly seems "random," considering it was all the podium drivers and the pole setter.
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The plank wear may be down to the track surface.

https://www.pitpass.com/76459/COTA-n...mplain-drivers

"Always a fairly bumpy track surface, the decision to resurface parts of the track appears to have worsened the situation, with drivers suffering throughout the weekend, and Mercedes citing the bumps as one of the main reasons for Hamilton's disqualification."
But 13 other drivers that finished didn't wear down their planks past the minimum thickness; so how did they manage to stay within the rules?

The 2 who were DQ's (Ham/Lec) must have had too low of a car to gain an advantage, and this racecourse bit them for being too aggressive in car set up or they hit too many apex curbs.

If more drivers failed due to plank thickness, then it might have been the track, but since it was only two; I'm sure it had to do with their ride height as they wanted every advantage to go fast(er) as the expense of car/plank wear and take that gamble.

What is 2mm or 3mm more ride height? Would it have taken more height than that to keep the plank from wearing?
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But 13 other drivers that finished didn't wear down their planks past the minimum thickness; so how did they manage to stay within the rules?

The 2 who were DQ's (Ham/Lec) must have had too low of a car to gain an advantage, and this racecourse bit them for being too aggressive in car set up or they hit too many apex curbs.

If more drivers failed due to plank thickness, then it might have been the track, but since it was only two; I'm sure it had to do with their ride height as they wanted every advantage to go fast(er) as the expense of car/plank wear and take that gamble.

What is 2mm or 3mm more ride height? Would it have taken more height than that to keep the plank from wearing?
If they only tested 4 cars and 2 failed to pass, that should be enough to assume that there are other cars that finished also would have failed.
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