Official: Subaru Solterra (EV) ...coming 2022

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by Calamity Jesus

And you wonder why nobody listens to you.

Reasoning behind that? I am referring to facts about the vehicle. My comment was to a 0-60 comment. I was saying last year it had considerable more acceleration than the Forester(cause I had seen the stuff the engineers had shown us).



You don't want to listen to me when I put stuff like that up(when have I lied or said some wrong info in that manner) just cause you don't like my viewpoint? Kinda odd. I disagree with you plenty on some things. Agree with you on others. And no matter how much you attack me for no apparent reason, I do pay attention to some things you say when it comes to whatever cause it has been helpful to me.

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

You're talking about 100 Instagram guys not the millions of Subaru owners. These cars on average don't go anywhere but the mall.

What can it do? It's dual motor awd. I have that too. I have an off road mode. The Solterra just has more ride height.

Also, what was there allocation? 100k cars? No, its an appliance with very low production intent. I think I saw less than 10,000 cars US.

Rivian would disagree.

Also, good luck getting to and from your trail with the limited range and even worse in winter.

It's just not as good as it could be.



Bingo from another EV owner.

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

.....What Subaru is actually off-road ready? None. They all need added gear. My Tesla traction is as good or possibly better than the Solterra bc it's all based on software and Tesla has the top programmers and more experience with EV drivetrains. So I'm not sure what you think the Solterra has over other AWD EVs when they all use dual motors.

Someone is clearly disconnected with the real Subaru owner. Can you please, anytime you say a Subaru isn't offroad ready, attach YOUR definition of offroad? Each time I see comments like that, I really regret not filming some things I've done with my cars and especially what I did right at a year ago with a loaner Ascent. Without X-mode even. Used it to go back down, though. lol



And trying to say your Tesla can do what the Solterra can do....but it can't. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT. Your Tesla wasn't made to clear obstacles. Like Subaru people.....TRUE Subaru people want from their cars. No. Not ALL Subaru owners go on adventures; but, Subaru's abilities come DIRECTLY from what people have been doing with their cars for decades. The Wilderness Editions are DIRECT results of all those customers in the Northwest and east that buy the lifted-by-the-retailer cars. Don't know how you miss that.

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[Straight6]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

Just like people here saying no one takes their Subaru's off pavement and just to mall parking lots? When, just about every day, Subaru owners are sharing their off pavement adventures? Those "competitors" wouldn't even dream about doing what the Solterra can do. ESPECIALLY Model Y owners. The range is a bit disappointing; but, outside of the EV pickups coming and the R1S, name another EV that will do what the Solterra can? Major fail for Subaru? They sold out their entire allocation in just days. This is a car for Subaru owners. Not "EV" people.

On point. This thing is awesome.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by Calamity Jesus

Cladding!

I surrender.

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

Reasoning behind that? I am referring to facts about the vehicle. My comment was to a 0-60 comment. I was saying last year it had considerable more acceleration than the Forester(cause I had seen the stuff the engineers had shown us).



You don't want to listen to me when I put stuff like that up(when have I lied or said some wrong info in that manner) just cause you don't like my viewpoint? Kinda odd. I disagree with you plenty on some things. Agree with you on others. And no matter how much you attack me for no apparent reason, I do pay attention to some things you say when it comes to whatever cause it has been helpful to me.







Someone is clearly disconnected with the real Subaru owner. Can you please, anytime you say a Subaru isn't offroad ready, attach YOUR definition of offroad? Each time I see comments like that, I really regret not filming some things I've done with my cars and especially what I did right at a year ago with a loaner Ascent. Without X-mode even. Used it to go back down, though. lol

Off-roading requires AT tires (real ones, you know these are dinky), shielding, further lifted height, greater articulating suspension, wench, etc.

Putting X Mode on a clutch-pack based Active AWD (which is just software) is not off-road ready. The Wilderness gets close but even it would be modified.

I don't deny people like to project off roading in their Subaru as much as people like to project being track dayers, and cone crazy. I get it.

I see Subarus everyday. They go to the mall. Maybe one a month has off road mods.

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

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....I see Subarus everyday. They go to the mall. Maybe one a month has off road mods.

Dude, they can't always be out in the Wilderness.

[JustyWRC]

Double post

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

Dude, they can't always be out in the Wilderness.

Touché

Let's wait for @Ricochet to do an off road comparison of the Solterra vs other SUV EVs. Let's see if there's more to it than ride height, ok?

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

Touché

Let's wait for @Ricochet to do an off road comparison of the Solterra vs other SUV EVs. Let's see if there's more to it than ride height, ok?

Absolutely. There are certainly some shortcomings depending on the particular customers "needs" and even "wants". But, outside of the R1S(is it even available yet?), is there another EV SUV out there that will do what the Solterra will do? Not counting the pickup trucks. Mindful that the Solterra isn't here yet either...lol. For me, not overly caring for the Solterra as it will be built in a Toyota factory(you know. Fanboi), it does fit just right as a Subaru. You can get some other car that does "this" better. Or gets more range(or mpg). Or has more features. Cheaper. Whatever. But, just like any Subaru, there isn't a competitor out there that will give you EVERYTHING a Subaru does at the PRICE Subaru offers it.



Now, for the Solterra, I can see that being challenged sooner rather than later.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

Absolutely. There are certainly some shortcomings depending on the particular customers "needs" and even "wants". But, outside of the R1S(is it even available yet?), is there another EV SUV out there that will do what the Solterra will do? Not counting the pickup trucks. Mindful that the Solterra isn't here yet either...lol. For me, not overly caring for the Solterra as it will be built in a Toyota factory(you know. Fanboi), it does fit just right as a Subaru. You can get some other car that does "this" better. Or gets more range(or mpg). Or has more features. Cheaper. Whatever. But, just like any Subaru, there isn't a competitor out there that will give you EVERYTHING a Subaru does at the PRICE Subaru offers it.



Now, for the Solterra, I can see that being challenged sooner rather than later.

What it does better than the others is ride height. Everything else is the same or worse. Range and power are worse than many. Traction is probably the same. It's all software controlling spinning wheels. X-Mode's ICE advantage is its ability to control an clutch pack that is 60:40 before slip when the competitors are 100:00.

Help me understand the special capability feature of the Solterra?

[R P]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

What it does better than the others is ride height. Everything else is the same or worse. Range and power are worse than many. Traction is probably the same. It's all software controlling spinning wheels. X-Mode's ICE advantage is its ability to control an clutch pack that is 60:40 before slip when the competitors are 100:00.

Help me understand the special capability feature of the Solterra?

Well, for starters, the suspension on a Tesla is not suited to even the slightest off-roading. It has very short range travel and is very stiff. OK, for pavement, but not for off-road. And yes, you need clearance.


Plus Subaru has more experience than others with programming their optimum off road traction and stability, incl X-mode. Worst are straight axle 4WD and next best are the slip and grip ones (Toyota and Honda). Subaru's permanent AWD is best, giving not only better traction, but also better stability and tracking at higher speeds off-road, esp around corners with washboard. I would like to see you try that with your Tesla,...haha. On our FSR, we do see some barely capable off-road SUVs, incl Ford Escapes, Rav4s, and CRVs. They drive much slower and carefully, but do manage. But never a Tesla.


I have 3 sets of wheels/tires for my Crosstrek, OEMs for trips, K02s for off-roading, and true winters (soft tread with extra sipes) when going up to the ski hills. For off-roading, even the OEMs are OK. Except where I go we have sharp shale gravel/rocks, which can shred pretty well any tire except the K02s.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by R P

Well, for starters, the suspension on a Tesla is not suited to even the slightest off-roading. It has very short range travel and is very stiff. OK, for pavement, but not for off-road. And yes, you need clearance.


Plus Subaru has more experience than others with programming their optimum off road traction and stability, incl X-mode. Worst are straight axle 4WD and next best are the slip and grip ones (Toyota and Honda). Subaru's permanent AWD is best, giving not only better traction, but also better stability and tracking at higher speeds off-road, esp around corners with washboard. I would like to see you try that with your Tesla,...haha. On our FSR, we do see some barely capable off-road SUVs, incl Ford Escapes, Rav4s, and CRVs. They drive much slower and carefully, but do manage. But never a Tesla.


I have 3 sets of wheels/tires for my Crosstrek, OEMs for trips, K02s for off-roading, and true winters (soft tread with extra sipes) when going up to the ski hills. For off-roading, even the OEMs are OK. Except where I go we have sharp shale gravel/rocks, which can shred pretty well any tire except the K02s.

Your argument is prowess with ICE AWD…

I’ve owned 3 Viscous Coupling WRX, a Planetary Gear STI and 2 clutch-pack Crosstreks. I know what Subaru could do. That doesn’t mean much for EVs.

Show/tell me what the Solterra has that is superior besides ride height. X-Mode is software.

[neg_matnik]

Originally Posted by R P

Well, for starters, the suspension on a Tesla is not suited to even the slightest off-roading. It has very short range travel and is very stiff. OK, for pavement, but not for off-road. And yes, you need clearance.


Plus Subaru has more experience than others with programming their optimum off road traction and stability, incl X-mode. Worst are straight axle 4WD and next best are the slip and grip ones (Toyota and Honda). Subaru's permanent AWD is best, giving not only better traction, but also better stability and tracking at higher speeds off-road, esp around corners with washboard. I would like to see you try that with your Tesla,...haha. On our FSR, we do see some barely capable off-road SUVs, incl Ford Escapes, Rav4s, and CRVs. They drive much slower and carefully, but do manage. But never a Tesla.


I have 3 sets of wheels/tires for my Crosstrek, OEMs for trips, K02s for off-roading, and true winters (soft tread with extra sipes) when going up to the ski hills. For off-roading, even the OEMs are OK. Except where I go we have sharp shale gravel/rocks, which can shred pretty well any tire except the K02s.

Unplugged Performance has or had a lift kit for the Model Y (looks like there are out of stock on a few things).
If there's something aftermarket does better than slamming, it's lifting, for sure

[Straight6]

Teslas are overpriced garbage. You are paying for the batteries and software but getting the worst quality car possible. Absolute trash quality. Everyone I know that has one had major issues. I would much rather get this or the ID4.

[R P]

Originally Posted by Straight6

Teslas are overpriced garbage. You are paying for the batteries and software but getting the worst quality car possible. Absolute trash quality. Everyone I know that has one had major issues. I would much rather get this or the ID4.

Yup, I didn't want to be that blunt. But after seeing and driving with my son's Tesla for almost 4 years now, I totally agree. He has had so many problems with his, would take a long page to list them all. And he is out of warranty now, incl battery and drive train, which is why he looking to replace it.


And Tesla's Autopilot driver assist is also junk compared to Subaru's Eyesight. Besides all the bugs, incl phantom braking, running into semis and parked cars, etc, it is also very poor for freeway stop and go traffic. With my Crosstrek I set the parameters so it does not wait to the last second to start braking, and still takes off briskly enough so people don't cut in front of you. Works great. My son doesn't use his on his Tesla for city driving, too stressful when you don't trust it, and only good for hwy driving.

[neg_matnik]

Hey, I'm with you, but despite all the bitching, people keep buying them Tesla.
I live next to their plant in Fremont, they can't build them fast enough.
The point was, if you need a car or truck lifted in North America, that has never been an issue. That's what we do .

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

Your argument is prowess with ICE AWD…

I’ve owned 3 Viscous Coupling WRX, a Planetary Gear STI and 2 clutch-pack Crosstreks. I know what Subaru could do. That doesn’t mean much for EVs.

Show/tell me what the Solterra has that is superior besides ride height. X-Mode is software.

That's part of the point. They offer it where others don't. Yet. But, the true gauge will be can Subaru improve through the years to keep that edge?

Originally Posted by neg_matnik

http://unpluggedperformance.com/prod...tesla-model-y/

Now you're modifying something.



Keep in mind those videos they are showing of the Solterra off pavement, it's on the stock tires.

[JRodrigues]

2023 Subaru Solterra Electric Crossover Review and Off-Road Test - YouTube

2023 Subaru Solterra Electric Crossover Review and Off-Road Test - YouTube

These are always nice reviews.

[chanomatik]

Are we really debating "off-roading" AGAIN and conflating it with "rock crawling"?

As I've come to understand it, most other EV SUVs are lower to the ground and their suspension tuning is for pavement on-road use. I have no clue why it's so hard to comprehend the Solterra doing the opposite and being made for people who want that.

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[Straight6]

Originally Posted by R P

Yup, I didn't want to be that blunt. But after seeing and driving with my son's Tesla for almost 4 years now, I totally agree. He has had so many problems with his, would take a long page to list them all. And he is out of warranty now, incl battery and drive train, which is why he looking to replace it.


And Tesla's Autopilot driver assist is also junk compared to Subaru's Eyesight. Besides all the bugs, incl phantom braking, running into semis and parked cars, etc, it is also very poor for freeway stop and go traffic. With my Crosstrek I set the parameters so it does not wait to the last second to start braking, and still takes off briskly enough so people don't cut in front of you. Works great. My son doesn't use his on his Tesla for city driving, too stressful when you don't trust it, and only good for hwy driving.

Yeah, my post was a bit of an over exaggeration but they certainly lack in quality in and out. I would rather take a performance hit and get something from a more established car brand for the ease of service and long run reliability.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

That's part of the point. They offer it where others don't. Yet. But, the true gauge will be can Subaru improve through the years to keep that edge?

Help me out, I don't get what you are saying in the point. My statement was about old AWD systems that are not used on the Solterra. X-Mode is just software programing, which every company has the chance to enable (Tesla already does).

Originally Posted by chanomatik

Are we really debating "off-roading" AGAIN and conflating it with "rock crawling"?

As I've come to understand it, most other EV SUVs are lower to the ground and their suspension tuning is for pavement on-road use. I have no clue why it's so hard to comprehend the Solterra doing the opposite and being made for people who want that.

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Again, let's see it do the off-road course from DrivingSportsTV, like the Fozzy vs Bronco Sport video. Show me the Solterra does something different. I 100% agree the ride height is a major advantage, but I don't believe much else. The Solterra video from Japan showed basic driving on dirt and climbing a lumber trail.

IM WATCHING THE VIDEO ABOVE NOW.

Originally Posted by Straight6

Yeah, my post was a bit of an over exaggeration but they certainly lack in quality in and out. I would rather take a performance hit and get something from a more established car brand for the ease of service and long run reliability.

Talk to me when you've actually owned one. I've owned two Teslas since 2018 and I will own a third in the future. The quality, engineering, efficiency, performance and company are lightyears ahead of the competition (for now).

[KC]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

Talk to me when you've actually owned one. I've owned two Teslas since 2018 and I will own a third in the future. The quality, engineering, efficiency, performance and company are lightyears ahead of the competition (for now).

You've owned 2 of them in 3-4 years? Why the quick turnaround? Why did you get rid of the first one?

Also, is it safe/fair to say that the more expensive Teslas receive a bit more care in fit and finish than the cheaper ones? It seems the lower (cheaper) trims have more issues than the more expensive ones (i.e. 85 vs 100+, RWD vs AWD, LR vs Perf, etc...)

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by JRodrigues

2023 Subaru Solterra Electric Crossover Review and Off-Road Test - YouTube

These are always nice reviews.

So, what we have learned:

70:30 normal
40:60 possible

Grip Control = Crawl Cruise Control

Outside of that, it seems to be a basic EV with brake-based traction control. Ride height is it's big advantage.

Ryan doesn't like one-pedal driving, which means he has very little experience with EVs. Looking forward to a long term test on his dirty trail park and rock trail.

[R P]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

I've owned two Teslas since 2018 and I will own a third in the future. The quality, engineering, efficiency, performance and company are lightyears ahead of the competition (for now).

Spoken like a true Tesla fanboi. Consumer Reports rates Subaru #1 and Tesla #23!! Nuff said...
https://www.forbes.com/wheels/news/c...-car-rankings/

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by KC

You've owned 2 of them in 3-4 years? Why the quick turnaround? Why did you get rid of the first one?

Sold the Model 3 for the Model Y. New shinny thing, and my wife prefers SUV seating.

2016 - Reserved the Model 3 LR AWD on the night of unveiling.
2018 - Picked it up.
2019 - Pre-ordered the Model Y on the night of the unveiling.
2020 - Sold the Model 3 to Carvana and picked up the 2020 Model Y LR AWD

Still have the Model Y. Convinced my parents to order one to replace their X3.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by R P

Spoken like a true Tesla fanboi. Consumer Reports rates Subaru #1 and Tesla #23!! Nuff said...
https://www.forbes.com/wheels/news/c...-car-rankings/

Lol, Consumer Reports That ranking puts Tesla above Mercedes...

I have my own experiences and an ever expanding community of owners. CR has gone from loving Tesla to complaining about it, to whatever sells subscriptions.

[R P]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

Lol, Consumer Reports That ranking puts Tesla above Mercedes...

I have my own experiences and an ever expanding community of owners. CR has gone from loving Tesla to complaining about it, to whatever sells subscriptions.

Do you like JD Powers better?
https://www.wheels.ca/top-ten/the-be...quality-study/


https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/25/2...quality-survey


And Tesla is also overly optimistic with their EPA range estimates. Pretty well evryone else is the opposite, ie conservative.
https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/ele...ml#infographic