Official: Subaru Solterra (EV) ...coming 2022

[Kostamojen]

Originally Posted by Russ_G93

I was a solar Salesman, in the Sacramento Area, Freedom Solar, We sourced Canadian Panels, some of the best most efficient designs available on the market today. Electricity rates in the last 10-15years have been a steady increase for the customers I have sold to. Now yes its from increased demand, but no increase on the energy companies side to handle cost effectively. I know the state taxes PG@E pretty hard, but I do think there is a specific reason (idk what it is) as to why the linemen are not able to get out to the entire grid for fire danger reasons (And of course we all saw the result of that). Im not super aware, but im pretty aware of the current CA Energy procedures of the state. We will see if PG@E can pull something out of their ***. (Honestly hope they do, Hope the CA Gov't "does something ->Willing to bet more or less, they won't.)

What brands of Solar would you recommend going with?

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[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by Russ_G93

I love that it took them 4mo to figure out and release a fix that involved needing better lugs lol....

How long does it take to find out exactly the issue....design something that addresses that......have them made for testing......and testing them to a point of acceptance? Did they "fix" it on the first try? Was there more issues along the way?

Not sure how many BZ4Xs are affected; but, it's 403 Solterras. Sounds like they'll be able to start delivering them by the end of Nov with fingers crossed.

[Russ_G93]

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

What brands of Solar would you recommend going with?

If your local sales company can get them, id go with Canadian Solar https://www.canadiansolar.com/
If you check out their company overview, their profile is super solid. They pretty much have gone out of their way to ensure you're getting the best possible quality and assurance. They made us feel good just being our distributor.
"The first company delivering 600W+ high power solar modules based on 210mm mono PERC cell in 2021 May, in the solar industry."

But anyway, yeah check them out. I'm pretty sure that my old boss is still in contract with them.

[Kostamojen]

Originally Posted by Russ_G93

If your local sales company can get them, id go with Canadian Solar https://www.canadiansolar.com/
If you check out their company overview, their profile is super solid. They pretty much have gone out of their way to ensure you're getting the best possible quality and assurance. They made us feel good just being our distributor.
"The first company delivering 600W+ high power solar modules based on 210mm mono PERC cell in 2021 May, in the solar industry."

But anyway, yeah check them out. I'm pretty sure that my old boss is still in contract with them.

Awesome! Thanks, I will keep that in mind.

[Snow Drift]

A comedy of errors. Here is a good explanation of what happened and how it is being fixed.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/toyo...wheels-recall/

[Kostamojen]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

A comedy of errors. Here is a good explanation of what happened and how it is being fixed.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/toyo...wheels-recall/

Wow, how can a manufacturer f up something as important as lug nuts and bolt patterns... crazy.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

Wow, how can a manufacturer f up something as important as lug nuts and bolt patterns... crazy.

Toyota is a strange animal these days.

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

Wow, how can a manufacturer f up something as important as lug nuts and bolt patterns... crazy.

Saw another article somewhere saying the wheel supplier did not make the wheel to exact specifications.

[Russ_G93]

Time to switch wheel suppliers :/

[wrxsubaru]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

Toyota is a strange animal these days.

How so?

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by wrxsubaru

How so?

Their CEO is focused on sports/sporty cars.
Their dominance in hybrid tech did not carry over to BEV, making them laggards
Their expertise in quality control has clearly not been applied to the bZ4X/Solterra

[wrxsubaru]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

Their CEO is focused on sports/sporty cars.
Their dominance in hybrid tech did not carry over to BEV, making them laggards
Their expertise in quality control has clearly not been applied to the bZ4X/Solterra

Fair enough, I would say the whole BEV thing is just a rich country thing. Your not going to see adoption of BEVs by most of the world for a looooooooooooong time. Toyota is one of the few true worldwide sellers that you see anywhere, I could see the BEV thing not being a high priority for all their markets.

Not saying Toyota should not have had EVs already in the US. I wish they did, but it’s just there are lots of issues with current tech, batteries supply sucks and there are more EV Toyotas in other countries . I would just say Toyota is lagging in the US market which is still pretty small for EVs.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by wrxsubaru

Fair enough, I would say the whole BEV thing is just a rich country thing. Your not going to see adoption of BEVs by most of the world for a looooooooooooong time. Toyota is one of the few true worldwide sellers that you see anywhere, I could see the BEV thing not being a high priority for all their markets.

Not saying Toyota should not have had EVs already in the US. I wish they did, but it's just there are lots of issues with current tech, batteries supply sucks and there are more EV Toyotas in other countries . I would just say Toyota is lagging in the US market which is still pretty small for EVs.

Toyota is only lagging in BEV tech because they don't want it to succeed. They are the kings of hybrids and their entire Japanese ecosystem with suppliers is based upon it. This has also caused their technology to be behind, so now that they are paying lip service to the market about BEV, they and their other Japanese counterparts, cannot compete. Nissan only has a chance because Renault pushed the Leaf.

I've shared this before, but check it out: https://electrek.co/2021/11/11/how-t...anda-in-japan/

[Russ_G93]

Sounds like, the GR Corolla and Supra will remain somewhat safe, Nice. But thumbs down on the disinformation part. Would be more productive to just have trade-schools add EV into the curriculum. But for a country that is in Population Decline (More old than there is Young), its economically understandable.
I mean sure, us smaller population countries can try our best with the environment and consumption of coal, But EV's wont even make a dent:
https://time.com/6090732/china-coal-...nts-emissions/

So in some ways, Im sure Japan has a massively better understanding of the Asian Energy game and doesn't plan on hurting its economy just because a tiny US state wants the world to be like them.
The US needs to prioritize Infrastructure growth as well, otherwise well, guess the kiddos are going to be in a more rough spot than we ever were.

Maybe also overcoming this issue as well: Salt Water + EV = Grenade
https://nypost.com/2022/10/06/electr...hurricane-ian/

[chanomatik]

Patriot Subaru in North Attleboro has a few of these and I finally got to check them out. It's smaller than I thought it'd be. For some reason I was thinking it was basically an EV Ascent, but it seems to be more like a Rav4 Prime size, or possibly slighter bigger. Overall I like the looks, except for the extra plastic al globbed up front. I wouldn't consider the base trim as it doesn't have side mirrors with LED markers and it looks like the wheels have covers on them. For the price I'd expect all wheels to be alloy. The upper trims looks pretty good though. I would've liked to have seen a red one.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by chanomatik

Patriot Subaru in North Attleboro has a few of these and I finally got to check them out. It's smaller than I thought it'd be. For some reason I was thinking it was basically an EV Ascent, but it seems to be more like a Rav4 Prime size, or possibly slighter bigger. Overall I like the looks, except for the extra plastic al globbed up front. I wouldn't consider the base trim as it doesn't have side mirrors with LED markers and it looks like the wheels have covers on them. For the price I'd expect all wheels to be alloy. The upper trims looks pretty good though. I would've liked to have seen a red one.

Solterra has always been a small CUV, a bit longer than a Forester. It's not a 3 row.

18s are way better than 20s on the upper trims. The wheel covers provide better aero like for Tesla...not that it's helping the Solterra much.

I can't wait to drive it. I sat in one at the NYIAS. I had a deposit, and then backed out when we found a used Model Y for the same price.

[umscooby]

Originally Posted by Russ_G93

Sounds like, the GR Corolla and Supra will remain somewhat safe, Nice. But thumbs down on the disinformation part. Would be more productive to just have trade-schools add EV into the curriculum. But for a country that is in Population Decline (More old than there is Young), its economically understandable.
I mean sure, us smaller population countries can try our best with the environment and consumption of coal, But EV's wont even make a dent:
https://time.com/6090732/china-coal-...nts-emissions/

So in some ways, Im sure Japan has a massively better understanding of the Asian Energy game and doesn't plan on hurting its economy just because a tiny US state wants the world to be like them.
The US needs to prioritize Infrastructure growth as well, otherwise well, guess the kiddos are going to be in a more rough spot than we ever were.

Maybe also overcoming this issue as well: Salt Water + EV = Grenade
https://nypost.com/2022/10/06/electr...hurricane-ian/

A tiny state with the 6th largest economy in the world...

[Calamity Jesus]

Originally Posted by umscooby

A tiny state with the 6th largest economy in the world...

Also, that "tiny" state that's 12% larger than Japan?

[chanomatik]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

Solterra has always been a small CUV, a bit longer than a Forester. It's not a 3 row.

18s are way better than 20s on the upper trims. The wheel covers provide better aero like for Tesla...not that it's helping the Solterra much.

I can't wait to drive it. I sat in one at the NYIAS. I had a deposit, and then backed out when we found a used Model Y for the same price.

Yeah I never kept tabs on the dimensions. Just by pics I thought it was bigger.

18s are definitely better, but aesthetically I just like the 20s. Aero, cheaper tires and rims be damned!

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[noodleface]

After having our Touring for a month an a half, I enjoy the way ours drives. It's much quicker than I expected it to be. I think Motor Trend got the AWD bZ4x to hit 60 mph in 5.8 seconds and it definitely feels that quick. Range in the winter dips down to 160-170 miles of range that we've observed thus far. Toyota's adaptive cruise works better than I anticipated. I actually prefer it to EyeSight especially since it slows for turns. The infotainment system can be finicky with connecting to CarPlay with maybe 10% of the time not connecting wirelessly. Interior volume is up from the Forester and they look very similar when parked next to one another. We also had no issues with the steering wheel as I thought that would be a point of concern after watching the YouTube reviews.

We're not super concerned about that lack of range since we have two other ICE cars for longer road trips.

My wife is the primary driver and she is driving almost entirely in city traffic from one end of Boston to neighboring city. Even on weekends, we generally drive the Solterra around Boston and its environs so it's perfect for what we use it for. We took delivery of it in early December and have a purchase agreement date for when we reserved it so it's a dice-roll on whether we'll end up qualifying for the $7500 federal credit but we already qualified for the $3500 Massachuetts rebate.

[Calamity Jesus]

Originally Posted by noodleface

It's much quicker than I expected it to be.

That's EVs for you. The tested 0-60 of an EV is more comparable to the 5-60 of most ICE cars. You can rip an EV's 0-60 nearly all the time.. while with an ICE you've gotta look around for cops, worry about your clutch or wear on your transmission, etc, etc. It means 0-60 times are largely irrelevant (and as we all know with turbo Subarus, often result in completely fictitious expectations). With an EV you just punch it and boom, you're accelerating.

My 'slow' PHEV on paper sure dusts everyone else off the lights easily.. over and over again. Weird.

[noodleface]

Originally Posted by Calamity Jesus

That's EVs for you. The tested 0-60 of an EV is more comparable to the 5-60 of most ICE cars. You can rip an EV's 0-60 nearly all the time.. while with an ICE you've gotta look around for cops, worry about your clutch or wear on your transmission, etc, etc. It means 0-60 times are largely irrelevant (and as we all know with turbo Subarus, often result in completely fictitious expectations). With an EV you just punch it and boom, you're accelerating.

My 'slow' PHEV on paper sure dusts everyone else off the lights easily.. over and over again. Weird.

Oh for sure, I've been in a friend's Model 3 Performance and that launches off the line faster that ZL1 ever could on the street but I still wasn't expecting the Solterra to "feel" quick, well, because Subaru. It's very go-karty despite the weight and ground clearance and it's very pleasant to drive. It feels better built than our friend's Model Y IMHO.

[noodleface]

Originally Posted by Calamity Jesus

That's EVs for you. The tested 0-60 of an EV is more comparable to the 5-60 of most ICE cars. You can rip an EV's 0-60 nearly all the time.. while with an ICE you've gotta look around for cops, worry about your clutch or wear on your transmission, etc, etc. It means 0-60 times are largely irrelevant (and as we all know with turbo Subarus, often result in completely fictitious expectations). With an EV you just punch it and boom, you're accelerating.

My 'slow' PHEV on paper sure dusts everyone else off the lights easily.. over and over again. Weird.

Oh for sure, I've been in a friend's Model 3 Performance and that launches off the line faster that my ZL1 ever could on the street but I still wasn't expecting the Solterra to "feel" quick, well, because Subaru. It's very go-karty despite the weight and ground clearance and it's very pleasant to drive. It feels better built than our friend's Model Y with no rattles (obviously it's brand new but theirs rattles with under 10k miles).

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by noodleface

After having our Touring for a month an a half, I enjoy the way ours drives. It's much quicker than I expected it to be. I think Motor Trend got the AWD bZ4x to hit 60 mph in 5.8 seconds and it definitely feels that quick. Range in the winter dips down to 160-170 miles of range that we've observed thus far. Toyota's adaptive cruise works better than I anticipated. I actually prefer it to EyeSight especially since it slows for turns. The infotainment system can be finicky with connecting to CarPlay with maybe 10% of the time not connecting wirelessly. Interior volume is up from the Forester and they look very similar when parked next to one another. We also had no issues with the steering wheel as I thought that would be a point of concern after watching the YouTube reviews.

We're not super concerned about that lack of range since we have two other ICE cars for longer road trips.

My wife is the primary driver and she is driving almost entirely in city traffic from one end of Boston to neighboring city. Even on weekends, we generally drive the Solterra around Boston and its environs so it's perfect for what we use it for. We took delivery of it in early December and have a purchase agreement date for when we reserved it so it's a dice-roll on whether we'll end up qualifying for the $7500 federal credit but we already qualified for the $3500 Massachuetts rebate.

Unless your purchase agreement in 2022 included a non-refundable 5%+ deposit, you’re out of luck for the pre-August 16 rule.

For the IRA, unfortunately, you cannot qualify for the $7,500 credit as the Solterra is built in Japan. The only loophole existed if you leased, at which point the discount is applied at signing as a “downpayment.”

Glad to hear you are enjoying it. EV is a better experience than automatic ICE. Have you tried the Single Pedal button? That’s even better.

[Calamity Jesus]

Originally Posted by noodleface

Oh for sure, I've been in a friend's Model 3 Performance and that launches off the line faster that my ZL1 ever could on the street but I still wasn't expecting the Solterra to "feel" quick, well, because Subaru. It's very go-karty despite the weight and ground clearance and it's very pleasant to drive. It feels better built than our friend's Model Y with no rattles (obviously it's brand new but theirs rattles with under 10k miles).

Congrats on the new car, and please keep us updated.