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Old 10-25-2021, 12:40 PM   #151
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This is not true.
Do you have some insider knowledge? All we know, as posted just a few lines above, is that this "joint venture" is on Toyota's electric car platform, and the two look nearly identical aside from some slightly different lights and bumpers.

Did Subaru contribute to it? Maybe? Did they provide their own unique tweaks just like they did to the 86? Sure. My point is, I want to know what they did to differentiate them, because as-is, it looks like this is a Toyota car with some subaru badges and maybe a few minor tweaks that 99.99% of owners will never notice.
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Old 10-25-2021, 01:39 PM   #152
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Ah. Good info! Seems like an easy in for Subaru then before fully committing to their own thing.
Absolutely. The costs to develop a BEV from the ground up will be immense. Look at how much GM is throwing at it. Subaru can't do that so early in the game. They need others to pave the way and then jump into the fight down the road (similar to how they do all new tech).

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Do you have some insider knowledge? All we know, as posted just a few lines above, is that this "joint venture" is on Toyota's electric car platform, and the two look nearly identical aside from some slightly different lights and bumpers.

Did Subaru contribute to it? Maybe? Did they provide their own unique tweaks just like they did to the 86? Sure. My point is, I want to know what they did to differentiate them, because as-is, it looks like this is a Toyota car with some subaru badges and maybe a few minor tweaks that 99.99% of owners will never notice.
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Old 10-25-2021, 04:37 PM   #153
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The Solterra is on Toyota's modular skateboard e-TNGA platform. It is not SGP from 2016. I realize the Subaru PR calls it e-SGP, but it is not the same.

e-TNGA is all Toyota. Here is their presentation from 2019. The platform will underpin 6 models, of which most are Toyotas. They are also making Suzuki and Daihatsu vehicles on the platform.

https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/co.../28474382.html

Here is autoweek 2020:
https://www.autoweek.com/news/green-...ev-for-europe/
"[Solterra] will be built on a platform shared with Toyota, the company said. Subaru had previously planned for its first electric car to be based on an existing model built on its own Global Platform, but decided to go with the shared platform."

I will not argue the bolded part. But, go re-read the links you provide and pay closer attention to what they say specifically about the joint venture with Subaru..... I didn't see anything that says that all those ventures will use the exact same platform.


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Do you have some insider knowledge? All we know, as posted just a few lines above, is that this "joint venture" is on Toyota's electric car platform, and the two look nearly identical aside from some slightly different lights and bumpers.

Did Subaru contribute to it? Maybe? Did they provide their own unique tweaks just like they did to the 86? Sure. My point is, I want to know what they did to differentiate them, because as-is, it looks like this is a Toyota car with some subaru badges and maybe a few minor tweaks that 99.99% of owners will never notice.



We'll just have to wait and see, eh?
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Old 10-25-2021, 05:28 PM   #154
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I will not argue the bolded part. But, go re-read the links you provide and pay closer attention to what they say specifically about the joint venture with Subaru..... I didn't see anything that says that all those ventures will use the exact same platform.
e-TNGA is the platform. It is Toyotas 1st. The other partners are tiny and can't do it without Toyota.

How are you going to tell what Subaru added to the platform considering Subaru probably doesn't own anything proprietary to add to a skateboard chassis, battery technology or electric powertrain?

I hope in a year or less you can come back here with a list of innovations that Subaru added to the platform.
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Old 10-26-2021, 12:50 AM   #155
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I'm always wondering if Subaru will make all of the their models electric in the future and would they swap over the performance models or replace them. The times are changing and it sure is interesting to watch.
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Old 10-26-2021, 01:40 AM   #156
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e-TNGA is the platform. It is Toyotas 1st. The other partners are tiny and can't do it without Toyota.

How are you going to tell what Subaru added to the platform considering Subaru probably doesn't own anything proprietary to add to a skateboard chassis, battery technology or electric powertrain?

I hope in a year or less you can come back here with a list of innovations that Subaru added to the platform.



No. eSGP is the platform....for the Solterra.


In a year.....you'll see.
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Old 10-26-2021, 02:28 AM   #157
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No. eSGP is the platform....for the Solterra.


In a year.....you'll see.
Don't double down. Solterra is to Toyota what BRZ is to Subaru.
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Nice to at least see some interest building here with the Solterra. When can we expect Subaru to announce specs and pricing?

If they get it right, this could be huge winner. There is a big market niche gap right now for an off road capable small CUV (similar to the current Crosstrek) BEV. But it also needs to have decent range and fast charging (ie 800V system).
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Don't double down. Solterra is to Toyota what BRZ is to Subaru.

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No. eSGP is the platform....for the Solterra.


In a year.....you'll see.
Semantics, eSGP is a rebranding of e-TNGA.
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Old 10-26-2021, 02:18 PM   #162
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Semantics, eSGP is a rebranding of e-TNGA.
I'm curious to see if Toyota and Subaru just share the blueprints for this platform across multiple cars. This first one, they jointly developed a body for it to save costs, but moving forward maybe they each develop their own body but put it on nearly identical platforms (obvious minor tweaks just like any other global platform).
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I'm curious to see if Toyota and Subaru just share the blueprints for this platform across multiple cars. This first one, they jointly developed a body for it to save costs, but moving forward maybe they each develop their own body but put it on nearly identical platforms (obvious minor tweaks just like any other global platform).
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Old 10-29-2021, 04:56 AM   #164
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The BZ4X was presented





FWD / 150 kW / 204 hp + 265 Nm / 0 a 100 km/h in 8,4 s / top speed 160 km/h
AWD / 160 kW / 217,5 hp + 336 Nm / 0-100 km/h in 7,7 s / top speed 160 km/h

71,4kW battery
more than 450km range (WLTP)
150 kW charging capability
3rd Generation Toyota Safety Sense (all new? or Subaru's Eyesight?)
AWD has X-Mode feature (Subaru's intake on the project?)

Ok, and Subaru just revealed Solterra's premiere date: 11/11
https://www.subaru-global.com/solterra/en/

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Making that front fender matte instead of shiny like the concept makes it look like it was from a pick n pull.

Wonder if Subaru will sell a FWD again.
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Making that front fender matte instead of shiny like the concept makes it look like it was from a pick n pull.

Wonder if Subaru will sell a FWD again.
Probably in Japan. For most other places it'll be like their sharing of the GR86/BRZ where Subaru doesn't offer a "Base" trim, only Premium and Limited. Typically Toyota offers the more bare bones trim. So Toyota offering FWD wouldn't be out of character.
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From their press release (https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/to...6254760.html):

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Toyota bZ4X adopts a BEV-dedicated platform (first for Toyota) based on e-TNGA philosophy, to achieve impressive driving performance through a low center of gravity and greater rigidity.
The BEV-dedicated platform (first for Toyota) which is the basis of all systems was jointly developed with Subaru Corporation (Subaru). [no other mention to other manufacturers]

You & Your Car
Toyota bZ4X delivers the BEV's unique joy of driving and excitement.
Appealing and competent driving perfected through joint development with Subaru


Adoption of Subaru's AWD technology and X-MODE (AWD vehicle, a first for Toyota). Also, Grip-Control was newly developed and installed as a new feature for X-MODE.
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Old 10-29-2021, 09:31 AM   #168
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Thatís one slow EV. On brand for Subaru and Toyota.
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Awesome! They will sell like hotcakes.
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That's one slow EV. On-brand for Subaru and Toyota.
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Awesome! They will sell like hotcakes.



Because there will be limited numbers. I'm afraid of what it's going to cost.
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Thatís one slow EV. On brand for Subaru and Toyota.
But it does not need to be fast. Fast Acceleration is for EV is nothing to brag about. They ALL can do it. It is not a novelty or Impressive. It is like saying my car has climate control.

If they put in smaller motors, maybe they pulled an extra 50 miles of range which is what people who buy these things really want. Ease of use and range.

Or, maybe making it less thirsty for juice they can run a smaller battery and the thing weighs less, drives better and is cheaper to produce. If 250 miles per charge is the norm right now, do that with the smallest battery you can and make the vehicle lighter and cheaper for the masses.

You are not going to covert anybody with a 45000 dollar compact SUV.
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The specs are for the JDM version, the US details will come out later. We will probably get a bigger battery for more range/power.

More details:

https://electrek.co/2021/10/29/toyot...cool-features/

Yoke info:

"Toyota fixed the major problem with Tesla's wheel by introducing its "wing-shaped" steering wheel with a steer-by-wire system enabling what Toyota calls a "one motion grip":

Lock-to-lock is set at around 150 degrees, eliminating the need to change grips when steering, greatly reducing the burden on the driver for U-turn, garage parking and on winding roads.

The steering feeling is improved through independently controlling the steering torque that the driver feels and the steering angle of the tires. Steering characteristics can be changed with drive mode select.

Blocks unnecessary vibrations from tires and only transmits necessary vibrations such as road information. System controls tire movement to ensure vehicle stability when driving on uneven surfaces or when Lane Tracing Assist is activated.

One-motion grip provides more legroom, improving driving position freedom and ease of entry and exit."

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Don't like that "Toyota" front end. Hopefully the Subaru version will look better.
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Eh. You seen't one collaborative EV, you seen't 'em all.
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