2022 Subaru WRX Official Announcement *Merged*

[Kostamojen]

Originally Posted by DougNuts

The Mustang GT also picked up 160hp from 2005 to 2018. Did the STI even get a new engine in that period?

Nope. Which is why the price didn't change hardly any.

Also, its impossible to get a Mustang at base MSRP unlike the STI. Lots of options, dealers never ordered the cheap cars. Going to a lot today its hard to find a GT with an MSRP under $50k even without ADM. Thats been the one good thing about Subaru not doing options and packages, base models have always been easy to find.

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[dwf137]

The ford dealer around here that is most notorious for ADM has a bunch of GT's in stock. I could drive away with one today for 40k. Granted, their most expensive is 80k for a rousch gt

[fathatch]

The mustang is the same relative price it has always been. 25k in 2003 dollars is the same as 36k in 2021 dollars (intentionally excluded 2022 since they didn't make STIs this year). The mustang is more powerful now because Ford has continued to design the car at the same level on the technology curve.

The straightline performance differential existed then as well. A SVT Cobra was basically the same price as a STI, but substantially faster in a straight line.

A STI sold for 32500 in 2003, is the equivalent of 47800 in 2021. The 2021 STI is discounted essentially 20% compared to the 2003 model. By using the same old powetrain technology, Subaru was able to substantially drop the price.

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

Nope. Which is why the price didn't change hardly any.

Also, its impossible to get a Mustang at base MSRP unlike the STI. Lots of options, dealers never ordered the cheap cars. Going to a lot today its hard to find a GT with an MSRP under $50k even without ADM. Thats been the one good thing about Subaru not doing options and packages, base models have always been easy to find.

Idk what you're talking about... because they don't even make the STI anymore, and used ones from a year or two ago are selling into the 40s. Some dealers are still trying to get up markup on their WRXs too; though not many, and very minimal in the amount.

As far as prices go, then it would appear my sources I found online were a bit off, as it listed original 2004 STI price at like 30.5k and then last year's at 37k. Whereas the Mustang GT went from around 28k to 38k.

Again, I think Subaru has done well at managing to keep the price increases minimal over the years, but again... my whole point is that back in 2004/2005, we had a 30k car competing with 30-50k cars in terms of performance. And for almost the last decade, we've had a 35k car competing with other 30-35k cars.

Does that mean I think the STI should've become a $50,000 450hp car? Nope. But I think - in an effort to appeal to more people to buy - they made the car softer and safer. It's still a good all around performance car that can double with daily duties, and I don't think the car needs to ditch AC and add manual locks/windows.. But the car has become a boat in terms of size for one; and that's my gripe with a lot of cars these days. Today's Civic is larger than an Accord from 10yrs ago, just as today's WRX is with the Legacy.

If it were up to me, I would've made the VA model ever so slightly smaller than the GR model and focused on reducing weight in an effort to drop the weight back down towards the original 2004 model we got here. Carbon driveshaft, less sound deadening, and 2 piece brake rotors alone would've shaved over 50lbs. Not to mention more use of aluminum, which could've saved quite a bit more. Engine wise, I think some of what they were using in the engines used for the RA/S209 with the different pistons, sodium filled valves, and IC sprayer should've been on the regular STI as well.

Additionally, I would've done like what Mazda does with their Miata, and utilize eccentric bolts front/rear to allow for camber/toe adjustments to some extent at all 4 corners from the factory. Because the stock alignment is **** and done purely to keep kids from wrapping their car around a tree... which they still manage to do anyways.

So a sub 3,200lb car with 320-330hp, better drivetrain/engine response, better handling, and better braking. Would it have cost a bit more money? Sure, a bit. But enough to make a reasonable performance difference where it counts and not trail behind other cars in the same price range like the Focus RS and CTR; both of which proved to be noticeably quicker around a lot of tracks.

[Kostamojen]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Idk what you're talking about... because they don't even make the STI anymore, and used ones from a year or two ago are selling into the 40s. Some dealers are still trying to get up markup on their WRXs too; though not many, and very minimal in the amount.

Everything about any car price goes out the window if you are trying to include the pandemic. Mustangs are even in low supply with $10k+ markups on GTs if you want to go that route.

Prior to the pandemic, when there were plenty of STIs and Mustangs on the lot, the price difference was quite clear. Lots of base model STIs for mid 30s throughout its run in the late 2000s and all of the 2010s. The muscle car trio has been in a higher price bracket for awhile now is the point and it wasn't that way when this all started.

[heavyD]

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

Everything about any car price goes out the window if you are trying to include the pandemic. Mustangs are even in low supply with $10k+ markups on GTs if you want to go that route.

Prior to the pandemic, when there were plenty of STIs and Mustangs on the lot, the price difference was quite clear. Lots of base model STIs for mid 30s throughout its run in the late 2000s and all of the 2010s. The muscle car trio has been in a higher price bracket for awhile now is the point and it wasn't that way when this all started.

It's always been much easier to get into a Mustang below MSRP than an STI.

[TylerLieberman]

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

Everything about any car price goes out the window if you are trying to include the pandemic. Mustangs are even in low supply with $10k+ markups on GTs if you want to go that route.

Prior to the pandemic, when there were plenty of STIs and Mustangs on the lot, the price difference was quite clear. Lots of base model STIs for mid 30s throughout its run in the late 2000s and all of the 2010s. The muscle car trio has been in a higher price bracket for awhile now is the point and it wasn't that way when this all started.

Lol I remember seeing plenty of GTs for about the same price when I bought my 2016 in July 2015. They were pretty much identical in price back then.

I only mentioned it because you're the one that said that Mustang GTs today are more expensive than STIs today.. when the STI doesn't even exist anymore.

Originally Posted by heavyD

It's always been much easier to get into a Mustang below MSRP than an STI.

^Yup. This too. Though I got lucky and purchased from the same salesperson at a dealer I had purchased from before so I was able to get a bit of a discount.

[Pre]

If you have a STi, your'e all set up. Quit daily driving it and you should have a very long term car you can drive corners on the weekends, and go to the track. Buy a daily and consider your STI a classic no matter what year it is. Got extra bennies? Yank the motor and put a 207 in that bish.

[Pre]

If you have a STi, your’e all set up. Quit daily driving it and you should have a very long term car you can drive corners on the weekends, and go to the track. Buy a daily and consider your STI a classic no matter what year it is. Got extra bennies? Yank the motor and put a 207 in that bish.

[KC]

Subaru, wat r u doin'?

Someone else finally put it on video what's been generally known, the WRXGT is not only a disappointment, it's going to be a failure. You're peddling a name here, resting on laurels, and it's now stupid to pay that money for something that bad (unless your sole intention is to turn corners a bit more quickly, but that will come at a steep price)

Sure, outback vs WRX isn't a good match because 2 different segments, but come on! There's no reason to have worse gas mileage, slower, and lighter, just to have "sporting intentions".

The 2023 Subaru Outback XT is Quicker than the WRX GT!? / The Problem with the WRX CVT - YouTube

The 2023 Subaru Outback XT is Quicker than the WRX GT!? / The Problem with the WRX CVT - YouTube

[SCRAPPYDO]

how incredibly sad for the WRX. Shamed by the outback, on regular gas, with less horse power and more weight, and worse tires.

Just discontinue it.

[SCRAPPYDO]

how incredibly sad for the WRX. Shamed by the outback, on regular gas, with less horse power and more weight, and worse tires.

Just discontinue it.

[Snow Drift]

I hate it, I love it, I'm so torn.

[SCRAPPYDO]

outbacks have always been brilliant

[chanomatik]

They make coilovers for it, too. So even less reason to get a WRX GT.

[Russ_G93]

The difference in R&D fund allocation is staggering. The Spirit of the LGT lives on!! lmfao

[Pre]

Originally Posted by SCRAPPYDO

how incredibly sad for the WRX. Shamed by the outback, on regular gas, with less horse power and more weight, and worse tires.

Just discontinue it.

That is

[4S-TURBO]

Hood. Scoop.

[Cowboy Neal]

This new wrx is fast. Wow.


Haha.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by Cowboy Neal

This new wrx is fast. Wow.


Haha.

It gets better. MT clocked the Toyota bZ4X (Subaru Solterra) [214 hp/248 lb-ft] at 5.8 seconds and 14.5 1/4mi...

[Angelus911]

I do not like the design direction for the new Subarus...that Outback front bumper is hideous

[chanomatik]

It may be hideous, but you're forgetting about rally roots and how practical all that plastic can be. Everyone knows you can't design plastic pieces to look appealing, so Subaru skipped all the thought process and just threw up chunks of plastic on the entire body. INSPIRING!

[Russ_G93]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

It gets better. MT clocked the Toyota bZ4X (Subaru Solterra) [214 hp/248 lb-ft] at 5.8 seconds and 14.5 1/4mi...

EPA has Subaru by the balls lol. I think the Outback is a great value to be considered seriously. Though I got more power in the Cladrx with a new ETS intercooler, midpipe/cat, and intake, Noticeable difference on throttle.

[TylerLieberman]

I don't understand why the cost keeps going up for Subarus considering that their cars today only come 2/3rds painted from the factory.

[Straight6]

I am actually surprised they were able to keep the WRX price so low given the improvements. I am referring to the base/premium with 6 speed trim. GT is a bit too pricey. I am not sure what audience they are pursuing with that.