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Old 06-03-2023, 08:09 PM   #10376
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A local Chevy dealer leases space at a mall up the road from the dealer. During the pandemic they had minimal inventory on their lot. Salesmen were playing the ďthese trucks are hard to getĒ card. Driving by the mall lot they had probably 50+ Silverados sitting there. None on their website lol. Itís all a scam and people are starting to figure it out now that interest rates are nearly 7% and the FOMO rush has dried up.

Didn't Mazda do that several decades ago with the Miata?

I can see that happening. But, when I checked the entire district of retailers in his area; they were nowhere near 95%. That's today though. I just don't believe THOSE retailers had that many on the lot when I see how many they are selling. IF it is on their lot, I can see it(not the retailer's own website). Many on their sites showing VINs are not registering in the system yet......meaning they are still in transit and NOT on the lot. 2 of the ones I looked at didn't say In Transit on their site when it is not on the lot yet. Don't know if their system(person) just didn't update it or what. Don't see how that one would be a "scam". Just a bit misleading for someone that wants THAT car thinking it's there when it isn't. I think that is just an oversight though.
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Old 06-03-2023, 09:51 PM   #10377
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I would guess, but could be wrong, that you didn't look up all of those 120? How many of those are in transit? So far, each time someone claimed a certain amount of "available" WRXs, 60%-70% had weren't even on the lot yet.
I means itís possible that 60% of those WRXís are in transit or just placeholders on Autotrader. But using that logic letís assume the same for all those other manufacturers. We bought an VW Atlas two weeks ago and I asked about the GTI and the dealer said they rarely get them, there is a waitlist, and there apps a long wait. Itís the exact same story on the Civic SI. You have to get on a list and wait and most dealers want a minimum $3-5K ADM.

Honda, VW, and Hyundai seem to be constraining supply intentionally of these vehicles to focus on SUVís and crossovers.
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Old 06-03-2023, 10:20 PM   #10378
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I means itís possible that 60% of those WRXís are in transit or just placeholders on Autotrader. But using that logic letís assume the same for all those other manufacturers. We bought an VW Atlas two weeks ago and I asked about the GTI and the dealer said they rarely get them, there is a waitlist, and there apps a long wait. Itís the exact same story on the Civic SI. You have to get on a list and wait and most dealers want a minimum $3-5K ADM.



Honda, VW, and Hyundai seem to be constraining supply intentionally of these vehicles to focus on SUVís and crossovers.
You got to understand something, a lot of other manufacturers did not prepare for supply shortages as well as Subaru. Regardless of the model, it's easier to get any Subaru than it is any other manufacturers vehicles. Some are better than others, but none as good as Subaru.

So it's not necessarily the demand that's the issue, supply is playing a bigger role than anything else.
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Old 06-03-2023, 10:34 PM   #10379
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I highly doubt that. That area sells too fast to have that many on the lot. Checked your area's full district, and nowhere near 95% on the lots. Look closer at In Transit. Or you caught it in a rare time they got their trucks in and hadn't turned them around yet(within a day or two). But, "every single time"? That alludes to you checking many times and seeing 95% in stock inventory. And I just call BS to the amount actually on the lot versus the total number a retailer would show on their site that includes in transit as well.



But, to Thill's point(and mine), do those other manufacturer's dealers show in transit cars on their dealer websites like Subaru does? What are those "competition" cars sales numbers? Does the demand for those cars warrant production numbers similar to WRX? "Better" cars they may be; but, demand doesn't seem to agree. Which of the competition are "deliberate" limited production cars? Which are not and just don't sell well enough to make too many? My response is in relation to the apparent "reasoning" to WRX sales doing better that what many members this site believe/want.
I quoted numbers/figures 2 or 3 times and I can read and figure out what is in transit or not. So, I will say again, these 2 or 3 times I checked, nearly 95% of cars reported accross 2 or 3 of dealers closest to me were on lots.
All Subaru retailers around here report cars they have on lots very accurately; there's no BS around here.
I even drove to one of my closest dealership and counted cars that were on lots at the time. So, I stand by what I reported; I don't make it an habit of reporting inaccuracies.
You know all the retailers in the area; check their numbers for yourself.


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Old 06-15-2023, 02:05 PM   #10380
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Old 06-15-2023, 02:16 PM   #10381
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At least the older guy knew how to launch a WRX. The first race was pathetic.
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Old 06-15-2023, 02:50 PM   #10382
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At least the older guy knew how to launch a WRX. The first race was pathetic.
Are we even surprised by that? I know I'm not.
That's what happens when you can't ****ing stay in a gosh darn gear past 6.1K.
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Old 06-15-2023, 02:55 PM   #10383
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At least the older guy knew how to launch a WRX. The first race was pathetic.
So was the second, the younger guy screwed up the launch on the BRZ, you could hear him spin during the launch & chirp when he hit 2nd.

On paper the cars have very similar power to weight ratios, with the WRX just barely edging out the BRZ, but the additional parasitic losses from the AWD system probably make the power:weight ratios even closer when considering power at the wheels vs. power at the crank, not to mention slowing down and getting a heavier car around the corner is going to be more difficult, and that the WRX understeers from the factory; BRZ does too, but you can force it to rotate under power easier than the WRX due to the RWD drivetrain.

I wish Toyota would stuff the G16E-GTS into the production model to differentiate it further from the Subaru, and or/have it as a higher trim level.
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Old 06-15-2023, 05:20 PM   #10384
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...I wish Toyota would stuff the G16E-GTS into the production model to differentiate it further from the Subaru, and or/have it as a higher trim level.
It was Toyota's idea for the Boxer......
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Old 06-15-2023, 05:35 PM   #10385
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the lightning lap between the two cars had .5 seconds between them. the major difference being the BRZ participated in 2022 LL, the WRX was in 2023 LL.

2022 Subaru BRZ Limited, 3:12.4
2022 Subaru WRX, 3:11.6

of the cars tested in the under 40k group only these ranked better:

2022 Toyota GR86 Premium, 3:11.8
2022 Volkswagen GTI, 3:11.4
2022 Hyundai Elantra N, 3:07.3
2022 Hyundai Kona N, 3:06.1

so it's not like the BRZ, or WRX are slouches, the new WRX is only 1 second slower than the 2015 STI.

to the point though, the cars are very similar from a performance perspective, there's nothing in it between them, although they do have very different ways of getting there, and also will appeal to very different demographics.

it's certainly no sleight against the WRX that the BRZ is so evenly matched, stock for stock.
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Old 06-15-2023, 05:35 PM   #10386
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the lightning lap between the two cars had .5 seconds between them. the major difference being the BRZ participated in 2022 LL, the WRX was in 2023 LL.

2022 Subaru BRZ Limited, 3:12.4
2022 Subaru WRX, 3:11.6

of the cars tested in the under 40k group only these ranked better:

2022 Toyota GR86 Premium, 3:11.8
2022 Volkswagen GTI, 3:11.4
2022 Hyundai Elantra N, 3:07.3
2022 Hyundai Kona N, 3:06.1

so it's not like the BRZ, or WRX are slouches, the new WRX is only 1 second slower than the 2015 STI.

to the point though, the cars are very similar from a performance perspective, there's nothing in it between them, although they do have very different ways of getting there, and also will appeal to very different demographics.

it's certainly no sleight against the WRX that the BRZ is so evenly matched, stock for stock.
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Old 06-16-2023, 01:00 AM   #10387
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Old 06-18-2023, 04:40 PM   #10388
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620 WHP on stock internals

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Old 06-19-2023, 01:36 AM   #10389
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https://www.instagram.com/stimikey/?hl=en

Did you not notice the WRX get beat by the BRZ which has 220hp NA engine or does that just go right over the head? WRX is slowest of its entire competitive group minus the civic si. Sad
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Old 06-19-2023, 07:25 AM   #10390
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... for 15 minutes, then BOOM!

i'd have anxiety with a factory unmodded car ... the Glass Joe of engines.
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Yinsen : What will it generate?
Tony Stark : If my math is right - and it always is - three gigajoules per second.
Yinsen : [amazed] That could run your heart for fifty lifetimes!
Tony Stark : Yeah... or something big for fifteen minutes, then boom.
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Yinsen : What will it generate?
Tony Stark : If my math is right - and it always is - three gigajoules per second.
Yinsen : [amazed] That could run your heart for fifty lifetimes!
Tony Stark : Yeah... or something big for fifteen minutes, then boom.
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... for 15 minutes, then BOOM!

i'd have anxiety with a factory unmodded car ... the Glass Joe of engines.
Wrong thread, here you go:

https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho...913279&page=50
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Old 06-20-2023, 07:52 AM   #10395
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nah, i've had beater car GM engines last 2+ times longer than our bone stock Forester XT engine did. junk.

maybe if you ever bought a Subaru instead of just fanboi'ing them, you'd get first hand experience of what giant piles of **** they are.
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nah, i've had beater car GM engines last 2+ times longer than our bone stock Forester XT engine did. junk.

maybe if you ever bought a Subaru instead of just fanboi'ing them, you'd get first hand experience of what giant piles of **** they are.
Yup he never buys any Subaru products but praises them
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Old 06-20-2023, 11:51 PM   #10397
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nah, i've had beater car GM engines last 2+ times longer than our bone stock Forester XT engine did. junk.

maybe if you ever bought a Subaru instead of just fanboi'ing them, you'd get first hand experience of what giant piles of **** they are.



18 1/2 year old, bone stock Baja Turbo(FXT motor) doing just fine. It's my moonroof motor that's the problem.


18 year old(in 2 days) NA Forester motor with typical head gasket work done. Otherwise chugging along. YOUR stats don't align with the majority of owners.
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Old 06-21-2023, 07:55 AM   #10398
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SVX was the actual biggest pile of garbage, unfortunately. Experiment gone awry.
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SVX was the actual biggest pile of garbage, unfortunately. Experiment gone awry.
was actually the only Subaru of the four i had that gave me no issues, and it was bought used. even the Subarus i bought brand new were crap that had problems that brand new cars shouldn't have.

i wouldn't buy one NOW ... they've been too cheap for too long and destroyed by teenagers, ricers, and other assorted knuckleheads.
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Definitely a unique experience with your SVX. You can see how individual experiences affect a person's perception. There are lots of factors.

I also don't trust Subaru with performance, turbo engines. But their NA engines I tend to be okay with and still recommend.
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