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Old 07-06-2023, 01:58 PM   #10451
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Old 07-06-2023, 02:11 PM   #10452
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To me, My car is the result of Govt forced shutdowns due to Covid. Man power, parts availability, EPA regulations, and meeting your Shipping quota /agreement that takes a year or two to set up with the Federal Govt for imports/exports. WRX still retains its Unshakable Trade in value. Best resale value of Small Cars #1 beating the civic and Honda fit currently -Which I appreciate the most ( https://www.iseecars.com/resale-value/sedans ). Its definitely polarizing, and I would have preferred a Mitsubishi had they stuck around with the Evo, but for what it is, a Turbo Econobox AWD Manual Sedan that didnt cost me over 40k? And still will hold that resale?? Shhheeshhh, It will allow me to maximize my trade in if they Fix the WRX down the line or if I dig that new Tacoma.

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Old 07-06-2023, 02:19 PM   #10453
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And if the sales were tanking you'd then say "told you so". The WRX is what it has always been. Something people complained about the look. Wasn't fast enough. Or whatever. I'd have this design over a Bugeye without hesitation. Use whatever excuse you want. WRX battles on. As it always has.
no I would say if sales were tanking I would say that even the most mediocre car fans even find it too ugly to buy.

enthusiasts already wrote it off. But when you scare away the folks just looking for a sedan, you know you have created the ugliest of the ugly.

Right now it can appeal to the Crosstrek crowd which is fine. You will sell a bunch. But performance enthusiasts will need to put a lot lipstick on this pig.
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Old 07-06-2023, 06:10 PM   #10454
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no I would say if sales were tanking I would say that even the most mediocre car fans even find it too ugly to buy.

enthusiasts already wrote it off. But when you scare away the folks just looking for a sedan, you know you have created the ugliest of the ugly.

Right now it can appeal to the Crosstrek crowd which is fine. You will sell a bunch. But performance enthusiasts will need to put a lot lipstick on this pig.

It's funny you think it's not the enthusiasts buying them. Based on what? NASIOC and magazines? Since when has that ever been accurate? If there was a set number of enthusiasts, then you could carve out % that hate one type of car/design and each time a new model comes out, those who like/dislike it shifts. Would be nice if Subaru would release the numbers of WRX owners trading in their older models for newer ones. Of the 28 we've sold this year, I know of at least 9 that were WRX trades. I have no doubt that there are also ones that had one before. Went to something else(likely a truck) and then came back.
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Old 07-07-2023, 02:40 AM   #10455
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But performance enthusiasts will need to put a lot lipstick on this pig.

I see plenty enthusiast embrace the VB.
I also see plenty of ugly modified Subarus from all years made ugly by said ďenthusiastĒ
The ďuglyĒ car thing is completely subjective. I like the new car. I own a bugeye, I didnít like the bugeye a long time while they were on the road, they grew on me and I like them more than ever. Itís like a face only a mother can love. I probably wonít buy any new cars anytime soon, my old cars are rust free and well maintained. I actually didnít like the narrow body wrx hatch in 08-09, still donít. Yet I like my narrow body Saabaru wagon. Who cares, to each their own.




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Old 07-07-2023, 11:10 AM   #10456
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I have a sample size of the biggest impreza board on the internet. The people who find this ugly far outweigh those who think it is tolerable. But NOBODY has said it looks good.

they make a WRXtrek. They appealed to more than just the die hard enthusiasts and sales show it. The more mainstream lifted sedan CUV you can make something the more it will sell today. WRX just took a big step toward CUV land and sales reflect that.

WRX has always been useful, but people who want enthusiast sedans are quickly vanishing. To keep putting all your efforts into a standard sports sedan now is risky. By Crosstrek'ifying the WRX, which is what they did, they appeal to a broader audience.

Subaru does not care about enthusiasts anymore. They are probably sick of all the blown motors and issues that people tow back to the dealer for work. Take the fangs out of the WRX and make it a turbo crosstrek, or Outback sedan and you castrate the flatbill who wants to tune it and do 5k rpm clutch drops. Warranty repairs drop and sales increase.

Subaru only exists to make money. THey are dong a good job. Performance car enthusiasts are a casualty of this. We will not be missed.
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Old 07-07-2023, 01:20 PM   #10457
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The WRX continues to dominate this segment because it appeals to a lot of the sport sedan enthusiasts. AWD, 6 speed, great price and availability. It is a great sport sedan that is affordable to most auto enthusiasts that don't want to waste 10-20K in ADMs. They nailed the formula this time around and the sales reflect it. I am looking forward to the performance package goodies! Like it or not, this car is a hit among the auto enthusiast community. Let's hope its success continues before the full EV take over. The aftermarket continues to grow too. No need for the mental gymnastics to justify your dislike for it. This is the best WRX yet.
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Old 07-07-2023, 02:30 PM   #10458
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lolol..... seriously, proof it is auto enthusiasts and not soccer moms buying it. You have none. Crosstrek buyers are sucking these up, as are outback buyers. People who generally do not care what a car looks like.

Tell yourself what you want. I have met exactly NOBODY who has said the car is good looking. AND looks sell. That is just a fact of life. It can be as adequate as it can be as a performance vehicle, but if it is ugly, then it turns off a large portion of the population.
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Old 07-07-2023, 02:31 PM   #10459
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lolol..... seriously, proof it is auto enthusiasts and not soccer moms buying it. You have none. Crosstrek buyers are sucking these up, as are outback buyers. People who generally do not care what a car looks like.

Tell yourself what you want. I have met exactly NOBODY who has said the car is good looking. AND looks sell. That is just a fact of life. It can be as adequate as it can be as a performance vehicle, but if it is ugly, then it turns off a large portion of the population.
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Old 07-07-2023, 03:03 PM   #10460
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There is nothing to prove. Enthusiasts love this car. Sales and aftermarket reflect this. There is nothing to argue about. Those are facts.
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Old 07-07-2023, 03:59 PM   #10461
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I really do not think you know what a fact is. Your view of reality is so juvenile and adolescent I shudder wasting more time talking to you. But I love helping those less fortunate than me. So I shall continue.

You have no proof its mostly enthusiasts that like this car. It has roots that can be traced to hard core performance enthusiasts but that lineage has long since gone limp and flaccid. Subaru in motorsports is almost gone except for a few one off races nobody in the US cares about. Sales are fine because mediocre commuter cars sell better than performance cars. People who buy commuter cars are far less picky about aesthetics or performance than enthusiasts as they just want function and room and reliability. The more CUV they make the WRX the more it will sell. I look for the WRX to die off soon and replace by a CUV of sorts, probably electric (barf).

This WRX reminds me of the last Pontiac Grand Prix GTP in some ways. Faster than any other Grand Prixs with the fanciest dash and most gizmos, but was ugly and soon killed off.

Maybe I am wrong, but I would wager that the more they lift the WRX and the more utilitarian it gets (outback sedan) the better it will sell. Seems to be proving my point as we speak. I look forward to more sales numbers verifying this.

The more they try to make it mainstream (read as more crosstrek sedan like) the more successful it should be. We will see how many more they sell if they keep gentrifying the WRX.
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I really do not think you know what a fact is. Your view of reality is so juvenile and adolescent I shudder wasting more time talking to you. But I love helping those less fortunate than me. So I shall continue.

You have no proof its mostly enthusiasts that like this car. It has roots that can be traced to hard core performance enthusiasts but that lineage has long since gone limp and flaccid. Subaru in motorsports is almost gone except for a few one off races nobody in the US cares about. Sales are fine because mediocre commuter cars sell better than performance cars. People who buy commuter cars are far less picky about aesthetics or performance than enthusiasts as they just want function and room and reliability. The more CUV they make the WRX the more it will sell. I look for the WRX to die off soon and replace by a CUV of sorts, probably electric (barf).

This WRX reminds me of the last Pontiac Grand Prix GTP in some ways. Faster than any other Grand Prixs with the fanciest dash and most gizmos, but was ugly and soon killed off.

Maybe I am wrong, but I would wager that the more they lift the WRX and the more utilitarian it gets (outback sedan) the better it will sell. Seems to be proving my point as we speak. I look forward to more sales numbers verifying this.

The more they try to make it mainstream (read as more crosstrek sedan like) the more successful it should be. We will see how many more they sell if they keep gentrifying the WRX.
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Old 07-07-2023, 04:23 PM   #10463
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I really do not think you know what a fact is. Your view of reality is so juvenile and adolescent I shudder wasting more time talking to you. But I love helping those less fortunate than me. So I shall continue.

You have no proof its mostly enthusiasts that like this car. It has roots that can be traced to hard core performance enthusiasts but that lineage has long since gone limp and flaccid. Subaru in motorsports is almost gone except for a few one off races nobody in the US cares about. Sales are fine because mediocre commuter cars sell better than performance cars. People who buy commuter cars are far less picky about aesthetics or performance than enthusiasts as they just want function and room and reliability. The more CUV they make the WRX the more it will sell. I look for the WRX to die off soon and replace by a CUV of sorts, probably electric (barf).

This WRX reminds me of the last Pontiac Grand Prix GTP in some ways. Faster than any other Grand Prixs with the fanciest dash and most gizmos, but was ugly and soon killed off.

Maybe I am wrong, but I would wager that the more they lift the WRX and the more utilitarian it gets (outback sedan) the better it will sell. Seems to be proving my point as we speak. I look forward to more sales numbers verifying this.

The more they try to make it mainstream (read as more crosstrek sedan like) the more successful it should be. We will see how many more they sell if they keep gentrifying the WRX.
I highly doubt people looking for a "commuter" car really want a manual, not so good fuel economy and high insurance rates but enthusiasts may not care as much. The aftermarket is endless and growing. It dominates this class because it offers AWD performance for less than FWD competitors and has a ton of tuning potential built into the platform. Numbers don't lie. Aftermarket support doesn't lie. The WRX has an immense enthusiasts following and support. I am not even going to waste any more time responding to you and I will focus on continuing to discuss this platform instead but you are free to yell at the cloud as much as you want and continue moving goal posts .

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Old 07-07-2023, 08:41 PM   #10464
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I really do not think you know what a fact is.
Listen, I've been saying the "like playing chess with a pigeon" line just about every time I come across anyone arguing with him, but, to be a little more blunt, there is no reasoning with Straight6. In his eyes, for some reason, Subaru can do no wrong, Subaru is perfect, Subaru is essentially his deity. Argue with him if you want, I'm not trying to stop you, just giving my thoughts here; at some point you have to realize that, with him, it's like playing chess checkers with a pigeon. To summarize - don't feed the troll/zealot, put him on mute, if not for you, then for the rest of us that have realized, after giving him the benefit of the doubt for entirely too long before putting him on mute, his standpoint isn't going to change; he is a couple head gaskets short of an H4.

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Old 07-07-2023, 08:46 PM   #10465
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Trolls come and go, WRX continues to dominate the segment:

"In June, Outback was the top performer by volume with 16,225 vehicle sales. BRZ sales for June 2023 increased 98 percent over the same month in 2022, while WRX posted a 59 percent increase in June. Impreza sales for June 2023 increased 39 percent, and Forester sales increased 34 percent compared to June 2022. Year to date, WRX posted a 148 percent increase, while the BRZ carline posted an increase of 51 percent compared to the same period in 2022."



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Old 07-08-2023, 12:01 AM   #10466
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I have 5000 miles on my 2022 WRX, 6 speed, as a daily driver. Overall the car has exceeded my expectations.

A few notables:
Excellent steering responsiveness, that is after I got an alignment at 400 miles and learned the steering nuances that took a few months more. It also has a great gearbox for street use.

My weekend car is a 2023 GR86 until my 718 GTS 4.0 arrives.
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Old 07-08-2023, 07:12 AM   #10467
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I have met exactly NOBODY who has said the car is good looking. AND looks sell. That is just a fact of life. It can be as adequate as it can be as a performance vehicle, but if it is ugly, then it turns off a large portion of the population.
i can't do goofy-looking cars. i just can't. the new WRX IS extremely goofy-looking and ugly.

my Evo X was not a "beautiful car", but it looked pissed-off and purposeful, not goofy. the WRX is not a car i'd look back at after getting out and walking away from it ... if i did, i'd probably throw up in my mouth a little bit. too much bad-looking plastic all around the lower portion of the entire car. you'd think the Pontiac Aztek would have been a lesson, but i guess Subaru designers did not learn history and are doomed to repeat it.
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Old 07-08-2023, 09:41 AM   #10468
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SVX is as goofy as it gets in the Subaru world. But I get it, the VB is not for you. Itís all good.


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in general it WAS goofy, especially with two-tone colors and the waterfall grille.

i think my '97 with newer grille and solid color looked pretty good



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Old 07-09-2023, 11:56 AM   #10471
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lolol..... seriously, proof it is auto enthusiasts and not soccer moms buying it. You have none. Crosstrek buyers are sucking these up, as are outback buyers. People who generally do not care what a car looks like.

Tell yourself what you want. I have met exactly NOBODY who has said the car is good looking. AND looks sell. That is just a fact of life. It can be as adequate as it can be as a performance vehicle, but if it is ugly, then it turns off a large portion of the population.
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I really do not think you know what a fact is. Your view of reality is so juvenile and adolescent I shudder wasting more time talking to you. But I love helping those less fortunate than me. So I shall continue.

You have no proof its mostly enthusiasts that like this car. It has roots that can be traced to hard core performance enthusiasts but that lineage has long since gone limp and flaccid. Subaru in motorsports is almost gone except for a few one off races nobody in the US cares about. Sales are fine because mediocre commuter cars sell better than performance cars. People who buy commuter cars are far less picky about aesthetics or performance than enthusiasts as they just want function and room and reliability. The more CUV they make the WRX the more it will sell. I look for the WRX to die off soon and replace by a CUV of sorts, probably electric (barf).

This WRX reminds me of the last Pontiac Grand Prix GTP in some ways. Faster than any other Grand Prixs with the fanciest dash and most gizmos, but was ugly and soon killed off.

Maybe I am wrong, but I would wager that the more they lift the WRX and the more utilitarian it gets (outback sedan) the better it will sell. Seems to be proving my point as we speak. I look forward to more sales numbers verifying this.

The more they try to make it mainstream (read as more crosstrek sedan like) the more successful it should be. We will see how many more they sell if they keep gentrifying the WRX.



You contradict yourself in this. Complaining he has no "fact" as to enthusiasts buying it while you doing the same about the non enthusiast buying it then saying you may be wrong....
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This is not a criticism of Subaru or these specific tuners, but anytime an eXX tune is advertised it feels borderline useless. I understand why tuners do it, because it allows for greater numbers, but it feels like a niche within a niche. I would rather see race gas plots, as most big tracks have a 100+ pump on site, I've never seen an e85 or e30 pump at a track.

I always appreciated APR because they usually have very clear charts for multiple fuels, not just burying the 91/93 plots because they look less impressive.

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Old 07-10-2023, 02:41 PM   #10473
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The WRX continues to dominate this segment because it appeals to a lot of the sport sedan enthusiasts. AWD, 6 speed, great price and availability.
it dominates the AWD, manual, sports sedan market because it is the only AWD, manual, sports sedan in the market.

even ignoring AWD, it's the only manual sports sedan on the market that isn't FWD.

so yes, in a field of 1 competitor, they are absolutely destroying the competition.
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it dominates the AWD, manual, sports sedan market because it is the only AWD, manual, sports sedan in the market.

even ignoring AWD, it's the only manual sports sedan on the market that isn't FWD.

so yes, in a field of 1 competitor, they are absolutely destroying the competition.
Incorrect. WRX is a direct competitor to cars like the VW GLI/GTI, Elantra N, Civic Si. They are all in the same segment and WRX probably outsells them all combined.
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Incorrect. WRX is a direct competitor to cars like the VW GLI/GTI, Elantra N, Civic Si. They are all in the same segment and WRX probably outsells them all combined.
And when people read the results of the latest motor trend lightning lap results including the cars above IIRC, how will they then justify their purchase(s) of a car that MAY outsell the other faster vehicles on the list?

I'll save everyone a second trying to find the results.... the WRX was the slowest of all the cars that were there.
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