Next Gen STI Canceled

[dwf137]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

What dwf137 said. The Nissan Leaf uses CHADeMO for DC fast charging. That is basically no longer supported (ok, yes, you can find them...one charger at an EA location vs a sea of CCS chargers). To the point that the new Nissan Ariya comes with CCS.

I wasn't trying to "take a dig." I was really trying to say that because of your scenario, I understand why you may feel like the infrastructure in inadequate (of course you added over crowding, etc). No bad feelings here.

I could have worded that better, I didn't take any offense, but it's definitely one of the biggest drawbacks of the car. There are still a pretty good number of chademo stations around if I needed one. at least 50 in the seattle metro area. Definitely outnumbers the tesla superchargers.

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[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by dwf137

I could have worded that better, I didn't take any offense, but it's definitely one of the biggest drawbacks of the car. There are still a pretty good number of chademo stations around if I needed one. at least 50 in the seattle metro area. Definitely outnumbers the tesla superchargers.

No worries.

I think the real shame is that it took the OEMs this long to come out with a standard (which doesn't even really exist yet, but we are getting close). IIRC, CHADeMO is still limited for DC charging speeds, compared to CCS/Tesla. Hopefully the existing infrastructure sticks around for Leafs. The next Leaf (probably a CUV), will use CCS.

[dwf137]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

No worries.

I think the real shame is that it took the OEMs this long to come out with a standard (which doesn't even really exist yet, but we are getting close). IIRC, CHADeMO is still limited for DC charging speeds, compared to CCS/Tesla. Hopefully the existing infrastructure sticks around for Leafs. The next Leaf (probably a CUV), will use CCS.

I dunno if the leaf will go CUV that's what the ariya is for, and that's already CCS. Japan is where the Chademo started so I wouldn't be surprised if their smaller EV's like the leaf continue as Chademo. Their country seems a lot more invested in it than others, they already have a lot of infrastructure around it.

Chademo V3 supports up to 500kw charge which is faster than any EV can support right now.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by dwf137

I dunno if the leaf will go CUV that's what the ariya is for, and that's already CCS. Japan is where the Chademo started so I wouldn't be surprised if their smaller EV's like the leaf continue as Chademo. Their country seems a lot more invested in it than others, they already have a lot of infrastructure around it.

Chademo V3 supports up to 500kw charge which is faster than any EV can support right now.

Yea, CHADeMO is Japan mostly. I just assumed that the Leaf name is too good lose and a smaller CUV would fit nicely below Ariya.

[NighthawkSTI]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

I apologize guys for quoting...

I never asked for them to replace the EJ. I've owned 4 EJs, and never had a complaint. I have complained about the cladding, baboon butt and lack of dampers/Recaros on the manual.

I did complain when the STI was canceled, you can read all of my comments this thread, if not the 2022 thread. I planned on buying a VB-STI in 2024 when my Giulia goes off lease. I planned that lease to line up to the new STI. So, yes, I am very upset. I am happy to get an EV-STI in the future, but I also wanted one last manual STI to keep forever.

The Solterra is inadequate. I have owned 3 EVs since 2018. My 2018 Model 3 would run circles around the Solterra, for less money. I am not hating the Solterra for being an EV, I am hating on it for not being compelling vs it's competition. I am the the person who created the Solterra thread. I was very excited for it, and probably would have got one for my wife...but not as it is today.

Tesla only makes ev's..Subaru is an i.c.e manufacturer, their firat EV SUV doesnt have to be better than tesla....your not pushimg anythimg over a big cliff here with these comments ,in fact your being redundant. "Inadequate"..peope can find something inadequate about any car relatively...there are millions of "inadequate" cars being sold everyday lmao.

[NighthawkSTI]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

I apologize guys for quoting...

I never asked for them to replace the EJ. I've owned 4 EJs, and never had a complaint. I have complained about the cladding, baboon butt and lack of dampers/Recaros on the manual.

I did complain when the STI was canceled, you can read all of my comments this thread, if not the 2022 thread. I planned on buying a VB-STI in 2024 when my Giulia goes off lease. I planned that lease to line up to the new STI. So, yes, I am very upset. I am happy to get an EV-STI in the future, but I also wanted one last manual STI to keep forever.

The Solterra is inadequate. I have owned 3 EVs since 2018. My 2018 Model 3 would run circles around the Solterra, for less money. I am not hating the Solterra for being an EV, I am hating on it for not being compelling vs it's competition. I am the the person who created the Solterra thread. I was very excited for it, and probably would have got one for my wife...but not as it is today.

Tesla only makes ev's..Subaru is an i.c.e manufacturer, their first EV SUV doesnt have to be better than tesla....your not pushing anything over a big cliff here with these comments ,in fact your being redundant. "Inadequate"..people can find something inadequate about any car relatively...there are millions of "inadequate" cars being sold everyday lmao.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by NighthawkSTI

Tesla only makes ev's..Subaru is an i.c.e manufacturer, their firat EV SUV doesnt have to be better than tesla....your not pushimg anythimg over a big cliff here with these comments ,in fact your being redundant. "Inadequate"..peope can find something inadequate about any car relatively...there are millions of "inadequate" cars being sold everyday lmao.

It is inadequate compared to every other CUV in its price range...

[NighthawkSTI]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

It is inadequate compared to every other CUV in its price range...

Thats your opinion, totally subjective it doesnt have to have most range, the best looking, nicest interior etc etc etc, dont you think subaru knows that? LMFAO!!! Their first mass market EV has competition? WoW what an epiphany!! LOL....there are many many many cars produced that havr shortcommings to other cars in their price range lmfao....are you just realizing this NOW??? Lol

[NighthawkSTI]

ALL ELECTRIC STI target date....2028!!!!!! So much for the posters on here that said it would be 15 years before the nwxt STI comes to market ROLf!!!!

[Cowboy Neal]

Lmfao!!! Rolf!!!!

[Russ_G93]

Its a little depressing that we won't be able to bang through gears anymore. Guess they want it to be a track car. Doesn't really follow the theme of "Rally" being that you're supposed to take it "Adventuring" even in cold weather. EV batteries lose charge capacity when temps dip below 37 degrees (some reported as much as 41% ~might be old battery tech figures), and will charge slower. Had an EV Audi when ours was in service in January for about a week. Wanted to check out the tolerances of these new EVs and I was a little disappointed. It literally says right in the manual that it will lose range in the cold. So this STI is a track... warmer weather car? I hope they figure this aspect out, otherwise it just doesn't really fit the "Go adventure anywhere" Subaru narrative.

[Goempie]

https://creative311.com/?p=152335

[samagon]

Originally Posted by Snow Drift

Probably no where near majority ownership (of all cars in the US), but we are getting closer and closer to all-new cars being mostly EV. Most OEMs are saying that their new platforms etc will be EV only, or EV-primary.

that will be great until they start buying whatever isn't EV, or get an EV because there aren't other options, and end up trading it in quickly once it can't fit their lifestyle. the car companies will be forced to walk back.

how many people have no other option than parking on the street?
how many people live in apartments that may or may not install enough charging points for the residents?
how many people absolutely do not want an EV?

I'm at OTC this week, and there are a number of companies there that are specializing in carbon capture. and then what do you do with that captured carbon? numerous companies doing pilots to make synthetic fuels from that carbon, and then many others that plan to inject that CO2 into wells.

sure, the majority here (OTC) are invested in the oil industry, but it's the Offshore Trade Conference, not Oil Trade Conference. so it's more about being invested in everything offshore than it is all things oil, but oil is a big part of it.

the reality is, batteries are going to have staying power, but they will not take over at the rate that governments are greenwashing and signaling. even if USA and EU, do the BEV thing, what about the rest of the world? the only real solution is to capture and sequester/synthetic, never mind oil is still forever going to be pulled out of the ground because it's not like energy is the only product from oil.

and don't get me wrong, if you BEV and want to do it, great for you, it's your car, your choice, and I'm not trying to poopoo that, I'm just saying, governments will shift when companies tell them it's not working at the percentage of investment the government signaled.

[SCRAPPYDO]

WE need to become a country of AND and not OR.

What do I mean.

We need to unleash the oil and gas industry full tilt and get our energy prices down immediately, AND push renewables and permanent sources while we have abundant resources to pull from. This war on fossil fuels is juvenile and overly simplistic way of thinking. We need more AND thinking and less OR thinking.

[dwf137]

Originally Posted by samagon

never mind oil is still forever going to be pulled out of the ground because it's not like energy is the only product from oil.

So this source of oil is never ending?

Sequestering is going to be huge and necessary, no doubt.

[bugatti0628]

Originally Posted by Goempie

https://creative311.com/?p=152335

Looks to be a new performance package. However I spy eyesight cameras. It could just be an update to the wrx gt trim with new rims and brembo brakes.

[samagon]

Originally Posted by dwf137

So this source of oil is never ending?

Sequestering is going to be huge and necessary, no doubt.

don't worry about energy. as we're seeing, in the next 46 years (presuming we continue consuming at our current rate, and never find any other proven reserves of oil) we will probably have plenty of options for energy and transportation.

it's all the other crap that comes from oil that we might want to think about what happens when we run out.

plastics, textiles (clothing, upholstery), paints, polyurethane, solvents. I mean, EVERYTHING you consume, or use has oil somewhere in the product. even toothpaste. you can try to not use products that are not coming from oil, but you really can't, it is completely impossible.

so sure, if there is never any more oil found ever again, in 46 years, we'll have to switch to BEV, but how would we even use a BEV if pretty much everything except the battery is in some way derivative of oil?

[dwf137]

Originally Posted by samagon

don't worry about energy. as we're seeing, in the next 46 years (presuming we continue consuming at our current rate, and never find any other proven reserves of oil) we will probably have plenty of options for energy and transportation.

it's all the other crap that comes from oil that we might want to think about what happens when we run out.

plastics, textiles (clothing, upholstery), paints, polyurethane, solvents. I mean, EVERYTHING you consume, or use has oil somewhere in the product. even toothpaste. you can try to not use products that are not coming from oil, but you really can't, it is completely impossible.

so sure, if there is never any more oil found ever again, in 46 years, we'll have to switch to BEV, but how would we even use a BEV if pretty much everything except the battery is in some way derivative of oil?

There are plenty of ways to make plastics without using crude from the ground. The use of bioplastics is rapidly expanding and will continue to expand. Similarly, there are plenty of ways to make biofuel, but with biofuel it costs so much in electricity to make it that it makes more sense to use batteries instead.

[samagon]

biofuels and synthetic fuels are in very much infancy compared with batteries or oil based fuels. someone will come up with more efficient ways to create the processes.

plastics are huge, for sure, textiles are, for sure just as big as plastics.

bio is fancy for plant based, which I commonly hear people complaining about corn fields being turned into ethanol when we could feed families, to scale up enough to be able to make all the plastic and textiles necessary to replace oil based versions of the same?

never mind synthetic fertilizer that relies on oil and gas, just to provide the food security we enjoy today.

but hey, let's keep peeling that onion back to keep exposing just how much our modern day society will stop functioning once we stop producing oil.

[samagon]

since double post...

it's not a simple solution, and not just BEV vs ICE.

luckily for us, there is nearly 50 years of known reserves, and more are being found all the time. our lifetimes, maybe not even the lifetimes of our children, or their children will see the end of oil.

solutions to get us fully beyond oil are coming, and ironically, they are coming from oil companies to get us there. Shell, Chevron, Exxon, all these players know they need to do more than just oil, and they are. they are work on and coming up with solutions today that will allow us to function well beyond the last drop of oil is extracted from the ground, and I have a hint, it's not just "everyone buys a BEV".

it is absolutely fair to say "some people should get a BEV" will be part of the answer.

[dwf137]

Originally Posted by samagon

biofuels and synthetic fuels are in very much infancy compared with batteries or oil based fuels. someone will come up with more efficient ways to create the processes.

Even if the process is more efficient, combustion is an incredibly inefficient way to turn stored energy into kinetic energy. Too much energy lost. Even multi-million dollar F1 cars can only convert about 50% of the energy back into kinetic energy. Average passenger cars are like 30-35%. That's a LOT of energy lost. Everyone's worried about EV's taxing the grid, but our solution is going to be to inefficiently create fuels and then put them into inefficient engines when we could have used way less energy on BEV?

It's definitely not a one size fits all solution, but I think it's a solution that fits way more people than are willing to admit it.

[SCRAPPYDO]

Again, we need to be a society of AND and not OR.

ICE AND BEV
Stop Polluting as much AND have a prosperous economy
Taste Great AND less filling

[SCRAPPYDO]

Again, we need to be a society of AND and not OR.

ICE AND BEV
Stop Polluting as much AND have a prosperous economy
Taste Great AND less filling

[dwf137]

Originally Posted by SCRAPPYDO

Again, we need to be a society of AND and not OR.

God I really would love to take this quote in a PP direction... but I wont.

[SCRAPPYDO]

Originally Posted by dwf137

Even if the process is more efficient, combustion is an incredibly inefficient way to turn stored energy into kinetic energy. Too much energy lost. Even multi-million dollar F1 cars can only convert about 50% of the energy back into kinetic energy. Average passenger cars are like 30-35%. That's a LOT of energy lost. Everyone's worried about EV's taxing the grid, but our solution is going to be to inefficiently create fuels and then put them into inefficient engines when we could have used way less energy on BEV?

It's definitely not a one size fits all solution, but I think it's a solution that fits way more people than are willing to admit it.

I think this is probably very true. But that is not really the point is it. Buying a car has never been just about what will work or what you need. It is about what you WANT. We all lose site of that to some degree. I have to keep reminding myself of that. If people WANT a BEV they should be allowed to buy it and enjoy it. If people WANT a 6.2L work truck they should be allowed to buy it. We only need bread / water and a multivitamin. But we want that home made double decker chocolate cake after we eat our Fillet and lobster. If we are denied what we want to appease a narrow view point that is not our own, then where is the joy in life.