The "My Dealership Told Me" Thread - Page 4

UKscooby · 01-24-2005, 01:26 PM

I think that if there were to be a 400hp Impreza, there would be no room for a STi Legacy. What would that come with?? 450hp?? Too many people wanting a Legacy STi for Subaru to not take a look at this.
I can see perhaps a 325 - 340hp Impreza STi, with perhaps a 350 - 360hp Legacy STi. There has to be model differentiation.
Even if there will never be a Legacy STi in the US, I think a jump of 33% in power is optomistic. What will it come with in 2010... 532hp??

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tooocool49723 · 01-24-2005, 02:17 PM

Yeah, look at past history, mabye 1-2HP per year increases, not 100hp. Granted, over there they had the gentlemans agreement (which in recent years has been completely ignored) and that kept HP down, but still, i'm not expecting anything huge.

I'm still voting for a 400hp Forrester STi w/ a H6

team_orion · 01-24-2005, 04:37 PM

I heard the 2006 will be a hybrid and run off of rainbows and day dreams.

LOL

Conduit · 01-25-2005, 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by team_orion

I heard the 2006 will be a hybrid and run off of rainbows and day dreams.

LOL

I just hope it has gravy in the trunk and biscuit wheels

Calamity Jesus · 01-25-2005, 10:18 AM

I think subaru is having enough trouble finding buyers who like the STi's youthful style, yet still have enough funds or age to afford the insurance.. adding on another 400hp isn't going to help.

KC · 01-25-2005, 10:27 AM

This is all fine and dandy... but will the Trunkmonkey that comes with it now require something better than a Premium Lager? It's expensive enough as it is right now for him... and more frequent visits to the Packy too...

What would it run on? Rum?

tooocool49723 · 01-25-2005, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC

This is all fine and dandy... but will the Trunkmonkey that comes with it now require something better than a Premium Lager? It's expensive enough as it is right now for him... and more frequent visits to the Packy too...

What would it run on? Rum?

What? you mean I have to feed my trunkmonkey??!!!! (runs out to car).

wrx614 · 01-25-2005, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ_STI

It really matters what dealer you go to. I remember when i was shopping for a new car, the mitsudealer had three 2003 evos on their lot for some time. After a few conversations with the salesman the guy said within 4 or 5 months they are releasing a MR edition with a 6speed and slightly more HP. When we went to the subaru dealership we asked for a test drive in a STI. I asked the salesman in the back of the car, whats this dccd setting thing and how does it work. "I don't know but just leave it on automatic". The mitsu guy was really nice, he admitted that the stock clutch sucks and gave us info on the upcomming MR.

You guys are lucky. At least your dealers will actually let you test drive an STI. I went to one here and they wouldn't let me drive one. I wanted to see how my modifed wrx would compare to a stock sti and see if it was worth going farther into debt. Needless to say I've driven one of my customers' modifed STI....whoohoo!!!

benjaminetanyahoo · 01-25-2005, 11:07 AM

Word on the NOVA streets is the STI will have a twin turbo H6 with leather, a sunroof, AWD with 8 wheels, a cup holder big enough to hold a tall boy Steel Reserve and a tow hick to accomodate the red necks that want to compete in rig towing. That is what my dealer said when I asked for a super fast, pig towing 4 door sedan...

I can have dreams can't I

codean · 01-25-2005, 11:37 AM

What about the RA spec C? I'm guessing that this is what the dealer was talking about.

I can't believe no one else brought this up...

wgs650 · 01-25-2005, 11:41 AM

I am speculating like everyone else, but I think Subaru has to put the 250hp Legacy GT engine in the standard WRX soon to stay competitive with a EVO RS, etc. (a well equiped WRX can easily get into the upper 20's which is about what an EVO RS lists for). If the WRX has the 250hp Legacy engine, I think it would require Subaru to push the STI's power up some to justify the price difference between the STI and the WRX. I don't know if this means 400hp but I could definitly see 350hp or so. The above is purely wishfull thinking, but I think required to continue selling the WRX for close to $30k and the STI for almost $35K. Also keep in mind that much has changed since the WRX came out in '01. We now have EVO's, MazdaSpeed 6's, Altima's with 255hp, etc. It seems that all cars are getting much faster and the WRX is not the standout it once was.

bull3964 · 01-25-2005, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wgs650

but I think Subaru has to put the 250hp Legacy GT engine in the standard WRX soon to stay competitive with a EVO RS

The WRX and Evo RS are not competitors.

First off, the RS is being made in very limited quantities (less than 1,000 a year).

Second, it's a complete stripper. It's built to be the basis of a rally car build up. The WRX is a daily driver with creature comforts.

That said, I do think the WRX is going to get the Legacy GT's drivetrain. Though, I'm 50/50 on whether it will recieve the same state of tune. I'm expecting slightly less than the 250/250 numbers from the GT, at least on paper.

My call for the new impreza line.

Impreza RS - further tweaks will give us about 175hp on the NA 2.5L

Impreza WRX - about 235hp/240lb-ft toruqe on paper (in reality, it will basically be the same as the Legacy GT)

Impreza WRX STi - 320hp/310 lb-ft torque.

mbiker97 · 01-25-2005, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X4 SRT

Wrong! For example. The new ESX STi will sport 425hp be 50 state legal and still have the subaru factory warranty.

It doesn't have a Subaru warranty. It has one through ESX, big difference.

benjaminetanyahoo · 01-25-2005, 01:25 PM

Is the STI will have 500awhp, 300tq. Just relaying what I heard...

Seriously this rumors stuff is getting ridiculous. People basing opinions on crappy photochops and stupid salesman at the dealerships. Just wait till something is getting leaked, until then let's just drewl, bitch, and compare other brands.

rsholland · 01-25-2005, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by benjaminetanyahoo

Is the STI will have 500awhp, 300tq. Just relaying what I heard...

Seriously this rumors stuff is getting ridiculous. People basing opinions on crappy photochops and stupid salesman at the dealerships. Just wait till something is getting leaked, until then let's just drewl, bitch, and compare other brands.

Now did this comment warrant a new thread?

Bob

BigElm · 01-25-2005, 01:40 PM

Second that motion.

Your honor, permission to badger the witness

WRXVT · 01-25-2005, 01:53 PM

Its the darn rumors forum... chill out. We don't want to quell rumors because some of them are true and can be informational.... not all of them of course, but then if they all were true they wouldn't be called rumors.

BigElm · 01-25-2005, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rsholland

Now did this comment warrant a new thread?

Bob

Again, we go back to this... his comment was not a "rumor" it was a "comment".

Apex Rex · 01-25-2005, 02:13 PM

I could see what bull3964 said actually happening. SoA needs to step up, and give the WRX a little more power than it currently has to stay competitive with the new cars that are out now.

Coati · 01-25-2005, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaverboy

I think subaru is having enough trouble finding buyers who like the STi's youthful style, yet still have enough funds or age to afford the insurance.. adding on another 400hp isn't going to help.

If only SOA had ordered up 500+ less STi sedans each year, and made 500+ STi wagons...

benjaminetanyahoo · 01-25-2005, 03:18 PM

it's just some of these rumors, well let's be real here, lies are being discussed like they have any real basis to them. We all know salesmen are idiots so bother posting what you heard from them. If I discussed or believed half of what a salesman told me, there wouldn't an STI, the 2004 STI is worth way more than sticker close to 50k, and WRXs get all the babes at the meets. Give me a break

Conduit · 01-26-2005, 02:07 AM

It's at least reasonable to assume that Subaru will do something to keep interest in the car this year. The market it's targeted at demands constant evolution, and they are sure to oblige. My guess would just be improved handling and perhaps a steering angle sensor for the awd system. But there will be something, and there will be at least small changes visually to keep the versions differentiated. Look at your history.

Calamity Jesus · 01-26-2005, 09:17 AM

I don't think anybody was denying that the STi would evolve.. version 9 is just around the corner, I'm sure.. but a 100hp leap is rediculous. We got the 2.5L STi in the US because 120hp/L is a safe enough tune for emissions. The Evo is already pushing the emissions boundry with 140hp/L.. 400hp would be 160hp/L. The NOX emissions from a 160hp/L turbocharged engine would be too much, I'm sure.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coati

If only SOA had ordered up 500+ less STi sedans each year, and made 500+ STi wagons...

so right.

da n00b · 01-26-2005, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Achilles38WRX

i hear it will have all wheel drive

Wagonboy · 01-27-2005, 12:37 AM

This is a Rumor message board, so if some people here don't want to read rumors and can't help but flame other members about what they are hearing from inside sources, do us a favor and don't post here on the news and RUMORS board anymore.
I would also recomend that if you are going to go on record saying that another member's rumor is FOS, then put your own prediction or "rumor" on record here so that we can really find out who is FOS when the new models come out. This statement is not directed at the majority of very kind members we have here, but more to the very few vocal minority jerks that just can't imagine that the 06 STI will have more horsepower and new looks. I really enjoy reading and talking to most of the good members here, but a few of you are just in total denial about any changes in the WRX/STI for 06 and are going to look pretty silly in a few months when the new models come out. My .02

01-25-2005, 01:25 PM	#89
benjaminetanyahoo * Banned * Member#: 41300 Join Date: Aug 2003 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: Midtown West (Lincoln Center) Vehicle: 2000 New York MTA	Word on the Street... Is the STI will have 500awhp, 300tq. Just relaying what I heard... Seriously this rumors stuff is getting ridiculous. People basing opinions on crappy photochops and stupid salesman at the dealerships. Just wait till something is getting leaked, until then let's just drewl, bitch, and compare other brands.

01-25-2005, 01:40 PM	#91
BigElm Always under your radar! Moderator Member#: 1568 Join Date: May 2000 Location: Sunshine State	Second that motion. Your honor, permission to badger the witness Last edited by BigElm; 01-25-2005 at 02:11 PM.

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01-24-2005, 01:26 PM	#76
UKscooby Scooby Specialist Member#: 33287 Join Date: Feb 2003 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: 2013 Focus ST, Yella Vehicle: RIP Nik I will always miss you	I think that if there were to be a 400hp Impreza, there would be no room for a STi Legacy. What would that come with?? 450hp?? Too many people wanting a Legacy STi for Subaru to not take a look at this. I can see perhaps a 325 - 340hp Impreza STi, with perhaps a 350 - 360hp Legacy STi. There has to be model differentiation. Even if there will never be a Legacy STi in the US, I think a jump of 33% in power is optomistic. What will it come with in 2010... 532hp?? * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

01-24-2005, 02:17 PM	#77
tooocool49723 Scooby Specialist Member#: 67127 Join Date: Jul 2004 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Belleville, MI Vehicle: 3.3 I <3/h8 my GF3 1.8-2.5-2.2-2.5-2.2-3.3	Yeah, look at past history, mabye 1-2HP per year increases, not 100hp. Granted, over there they had the gentlemans agreement (which in recent years has been completely ignored) and that kept HP down, but still, i'm not expecting anything huge. I'm still voting for a 400hp Forrester STi w/ a H6

01-24-2005, 04:37 PM	#78
team_orion Scooby Newbie Member#: 70475 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: So.Cal. (the OC) Vehicle: 93 Nissan Truck 05 STi	I heard the 2006 will be a hybrid and run off of rainbows and day dreams. LOL

01-25-2005, 10:18 AM	#80
Calamity Jesus Scooby Guru Member#: 44501 Join Date: Oct 2003 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Yeah, well, you know Vehicle: that 's, like, your alternate facts, man.	I think subaru is having enough trouble finding buyers who like the STi's youthful style, yet still have enough funds or age to afford the insurance.. adding on another 400hp isn't going to help.

01-25-2005, 10:27 AM	#81
KC Scooby Guru Member#: 442 Join Date: Oct 1999 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: RI/SE Mass Vehicle: 25 Mazder CX70 00 S2k	This is all fine and dandy... but will the Trunkmonkey that comes with it now require something better than a Premium Lager? It's expensive enough as it is right now for him... and more frequent visits to the Packy too... What would it run on? Rum?

01-25-2005, 11:07 AM	#84
benjaminetanyahoo * Banned * Member#: 41300 Join Date: Aug 2003 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: Midtown West (Lincoln Center) Vehicle: 2000 New York MTA	Word on the NOVA streets is the STI will have a twin turbo H6 with leather, a sunroof, AWD with 8 wheels, a cup holder big enough to hold a tall boy Steel Reserve and a tow hick to accomodate the red necks that want to compete in rig towing. That is what my dealer said when I asked for a super fast, pig towing 4 door sedan... I can have dreams can't I

01-25-2005, 11:37 AM	#85
codean Scooby Specialist Member#: 10186 Join Date: Sep 2001 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: some kind of bmw tech...	What about the RA spec C? I'm guessing that this is what the dealer was talking about. I can't believe no one else brought this up...

01-25-2005, 11:41 AM	#86
wgs650 Scooby Newbie Member#: 11882 Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Cincinnati, OH Vehicle: 2002 WRX WR Blue	I am speculating like everyone else, but I think Subaru has to put the 250hp Legacy GT engine in the standard WRX soon to stay competitive with a EVO RS, etc. (a well equiped WRX can easily get into the upper 20's which is about what an EVO RS lists for). If the WRX has the 250hp Legacy engine, I think it would require Subaru to push the STI's power up some to justify the price difference between the STI and the WRX. I don't know if this means 400hp but I could definitly see 350hp or so. The above is purely wishfull thinking, but I think required to continue selling the WRX for close to $30k and the STI for almost $35K. Also keep in mind that much has changed since the WRX came out in '01. We now have EVO's, MazdaSpeed 6's, Altima's with 255hp, etc. It seems that all cars are getting much faster and the WRX is not the standout it once was.

01-25-2005, 01:53 PM	#92
WRXVT Scooby Specialist Member#: 17979 Join Date: Apr 2002 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: NOVA Vehicle: 335i Blue	Its the darn rumors forum... chill out. We don't want to quell rumors because some of them are true and can be informational.... not all of them of course, but then if they all were true they wouldn't be called rumors.

01-25-2005, 02:13 PM	#94
Apex Rex Scooby Specialist Member#: 63218 Join Date: Jun 2004 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: NJ	I could see what bull3964 said actually happening. SoA needs to step up, and give the WRX a little more power than it currently has to stay competitive with the new cars that are out now.

01-25-2005, 03:18 PM	#96
benjaminetanyahoo * Banned * Member#: 41300 Join Date: Aug 2003 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: Midtown West (Lincoln Center) Vehicle: 2000 New York MTA	it's just some of these rumors, well let's be real here, lies are being discussed like they have any real basis to them. We all know salesmen are idiots so bother posting what you heard from them. If I discussed or believed half of what a salesman told me, there wouldn't an STI, the 2004 STI is worth way more than sticker close to 50k, and WRXs get all the babes at the meets. Give me a break

01-26-2005, 02:07 AM	#97
Conduit Scooby Specialist Member#: 6162 Join Date: Apr 2001 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Orlando, FL. USA Vehicle: 2002 WRX MBP, 1st WRX Ever in FL.	It's at least reasonable to assume that Subaru will do something to keep interest in the car this year. The market it's targeted at demands constant evolution, and they are sure to oblige. My guess would just be improved handling and perhaps a steering angle sensor for the awd system. But there will be something, and there will be at least small changes visually to keep the versions differentiated. Look at your history.

01-27-2005, 12:37 AM	#100
Wagonboy Scooby Newbie Member#: 23813 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Austin, TX Vehicle: 04 STi White	This is a Rumor message board, so if some people here don't want to read rumors and can't help but flame other members about what they are hearing from inside sources, do us a favor and don't post here on the news and RUMORS board anymore. I would also recomend that if you are going to go on record saying that another member's rumor is FOS, then put your own prediction or "rumor" on record here so that we can really find out who is FOS when the new models come out. This statement is not directed at the majority of very kind members we have here, but more to the very few vocal minority jerks that just can't imagine that the 06 STI will have more horsepower and new looks. I really enjoy reading and talking to most of the good members here, but a few of you are just in total denial about any changes in the WRX/STI for 06 and are going to look pretty silly in a few months when the new models come out. My .02