The "My Dealership Told Me" Thread - Page 5

coolbluelb · 01-27-2005, 01:19 AM

I think it is more a point of tiring of hearing the same rumors recirculated every couple of weeks rather than a lack of interest in new information.

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Diabolical1 CC · 01-27-2005, 01:23 AM

I would rather see a 320 BHP STi Convertible.

With a semi-hardtop, like the Kompressor. 4 doors rear suicide (maybe even use coupe doors and Saturn like Mazda 8 like suicide doors) and keep the 05 lights but maybe add the shield grill thingy, or bring back a Bugeye option perhaps with the individual light components instead of the full glass.

Hey we already have frameless windows, why not capitalize on them.

This way you can forget about the Mitsu evo compairson which Subaru always barely loses, and instead show up the clone like Mazda and all the new convertibles that everyone else is introducing.

Diabolical1 CC · 01-27-2005, 01:28 AM

Wouldn't a convertible wagon end up looking like a convertible Baja? And if you don't want suicide rear doors have a roll bar in the middle.

gargleblaster · 01-27-2005, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Beaverboy

...adding on another 400hp isn't going to help.

Crikey! A 700hp STi!!? Man, I should've waited!

Calamity Jesus · 01-27-2005, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Wagonboy

I would also recomend that if you are going to go on record saying that another member's rumor is FOS, then put your own prediction or "rumor" on record here so that we can really find out who is FOS when the new models come out.

OH yeah.. great idea. Lets make this forum an official pissing contest.

wrxited · 01-27-2005, 11:24 AM

Dealers don't know anything, and sales people don't know anything about cars, they are dumber than rocks........

VIR EURORALLY · 01-30-2005, 02:28 PM

Unless they keep it in a USDM version only. The STI will not be made over 300hp due to Japanese regulation of cars not exceeding 300hp.Then again...I'm not sure how FHI would able to make 400hp with that law over there unless an exception is mad efor exports over there.

bull3964 · 01-30-2005, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by VIR EURORALLY

Unless they keep it in a USDM version only. The STI will not be made over 300hp due to Japanese regulation of cars not exceeding 300hp.Then again...I'm not sure how FHI would able to make 400hp with that law over there unless an exception is mad efor exports over there.

There's never been a regulation, it was a gentleman's agreement and even that has been broken now.

Rotorflyr · 01-31-2005, 02:37 AM

I heard you'll be able to get it in Blue with Gold rims

SpaceGhost · 01-31-2005, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bull3964

There's never been a regulation, it was a gentleman's agreement and even that has been broken now.

Spec C = 320hp.......

Conduit · 01-31-2005, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bull3964

There's never been a regulation, it was a gentleman's agreement and even that has been broken now.

No. It was neither. It had to do with taxation on the vehicles, and in essence, anything over 276 ended up being radically more expensive.

There are a few examples of vehicles made and sold in Japan with more HP than this.

C-daleRidr · 01-31-2005, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Beaverboy

OH yeah.. great idea. Lets make this forum an official pissing contest.

It already is, unfortunately. Well, at least that's the case now with OT. It's spreading here. Although, I don't think this speculation is much worse than any I remember seeing before the Impreza STi arrived. There was more bull**** than the bulls here could possible produce then, and that's the case now. Just history repeating, right?

Nonetheless, the Japanese regulation clearly has nothing to do with the Impreza STi that came out here, as it came in over the 276 HP mark.

I still wonder if the dealer in question was talking about an Impreza. Just because he's speaking in the context of the Impreza does not in any way mean that he's actually go information on that car. The '06 Legacy STi, should one arrive, could very well put up the number that the thread title mentions.

Personally, I look forward to Rally Mexico and the Geneva show, when hopefully the new WRX shows its face for better or worse. I wonder, further, if a redesigned Impreza family will see a STi version right off the bat. Typically, we see the initial intro and a year later the STi version, is that correct?

RadarOnPaws · 01-31-2005, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Len

Did the dealer tell you how Subaru is planning on achieving that number? Let me guess.. H6 turbo with forged internals?

??? You can do 400 hp on the current engine without cause for concern. That's only probably 315 - 330 whp or so. Easily done without requiring any new internals.

RadarOnPaws · 01-31-2005, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Len

That leaves $3k for Subaru to develope a 400HP powertrain, a drivetrain strong enough to be warrantied, and emmission equipment to make it legal in 50 states.

For those not paying attention, the current drivetrain is plenty strong for 400 hp. I don't understand all the awe over 400 crank hp. This car can handle it now.

dl337j00 · 01-31-2005, 07:53 PM

the agreement was not 300hp. it was 280ps at the flywheel. this translated to 276hp. Nissan was the one to break this agreement, in 1989 with the 300zx turbo.... it was 300hp. a few years later mitsu did it with the 3000GT (gto). then nissan did it again, with the 2002 Skyline GTR Nur (they called it 280ps, but it was really 368WHP, they lied, and infuriated all the other manufacturers.) now the agreement has been changed to JUST FLAGSHIP CARS... so Honda sets the NSX, Nissan the 350Z, Mazda had the 2002 RX7 @280ps, and Subaru has the STi @280ps, and Mitsu has the EVO @ 280ps.

dl337j00 · 01-31-2005, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Conduit

No. It was neither. It had to do with taxation on the vehicles, and in essence, anything over 276 ended up being radically more expensive.

There are a few examples of vehicles made and sold in Japan with more HP than this.

no he was right, it is an agreement

it was in the late 70's that all the major japanese car makers made an agreement (there was a name for this agreement, forget it now). they wanted to avoid what was happening in the US, making cars over 400hp, but running heavy and thirsty. they agreed that it was more honorable to make cars faster by means of technology, and improvisation. Mazda proposed this agreement after the introduction of the RX7 (very light agile and fast car, yet not very powerfull). Honda, Nissan, and Mazda were the first signers, Mitsu and Suzuki joined later (who cares about suzuki... they probably dont even know how to make a 280ps engine... i mean their name means Sea-Bass!)

Len · 01-31-2005, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RadarOnPaws

For those not paying attention, the current drivetrain is plenty strong for 400 hp. I don't understand all the awe over 400 crank hp. This car can handle it now.

So you just kick up the boost at the factory like you would in your garage, and sell them with warranty? And that will be ok, since you saw people tune it like that and they usually don't break? Sure...

The WRX drivetrain was strong enough for everyone else in the world until they got to this country. The truth is, there is a reason why these car makers are so very conservative in tuning their north american market cars. An average American is just not such a big fan of responsibility. I highly doubt the current 6-spd can achieve the failure rate suitable for this market when mated to a 400HP motor.

Jon [in CT] · 01-31-2005, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dl337j00

now the agreement has been changed to JUST FLAGSHIP CARS... so Honda sets the NSX, Nissan the 350Z, Mazda had the 2002 RX7 @280ps, and Subaru has the STi @280ps, and Mitsu has the EVO @ 280ps.

You neglect to mention the big man on campus in Japan, Toyota. I'd say that the Toyota Century is Toyota's flagship car in Japan - since 1967. I'd also say that Toyota rates the Century's V12 engine power higher than 280ps.

snowman4us · 01-31-2005, 09:32 PM

i heard so mutch diff. stuff about the 06 sti that im just not going to listen to anyone untill i see subaru saying something about it...

rubelcon · 02-22-2005, 02:32 PM

As god awful ugly as it is, who cares if it ever makes it to the dealership or not.

Eyeflyistheeye · 02-22-2005, 03:27 PM

Actually, the Kanji used to spell Suzuki means "Bell Tree"

Quote:

Originally Posted by dl337j00

(who cares about suzuki... they probably dont even know how to make a 280ps engine... i mean their name means Sea-Bass!)

wrxpeed · 02-23-2005, 12:03 PM

This whole post was basically made 3 weeks ago by me.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=712657

Bryan

Achilles38WRX · 02-23-2005, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wrxpeed

This whole post was basically made 3 weeks ago by me.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=712657

Bryan

this thread was started on january 21st. yours was started on february 6th.

MTMS4 · 02-23-2005, 12:57 PM

The specs of the forthcoming USDM Evo IX aren't available yet (supposedly these will be revealed at the NY Auto Show in a couple of weeks) but it's power output is rumoured to be around 300 hp & 300 lb/ft torque with the new MIVEC-equipped engine. So, on paper at least, it will match the current STi. I would expect Subaru to up-the-ante with the 2006 STi, but I doubt it will be boasting anywhere near 400 hp....though 330 hp seems like a reasonable power hike in standard trim ??????

wrxpeed · 02-23-2005, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Achilles38WRX

this thread was started on january 21st. yours was started on february 6th.

my bad, didn't look at date, just assumed this was old, monkey for you

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01-27-2005, 01:19 AM	#101
coolbluelb Scooby Newbie Member#: 47014 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: VB Vehicle: 2005 Legacy GT Garnet Red	I think it is more a point of tiring of hearing the same rumors recirculated every couple of weeks rather than a lack of interest in new information. * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

01-27-2005, 01:23 AM	#102
Diabolical1 CC * Banned * Member#: 59897 Join Date: Apr 2004	I would rather see a 320 BHP STi Convertible. With a semi-hardtop, like the Kompressor. 4 doors rear suicide (maybe even use coupe doors and Saturn like Mazda 8 like suicide doors) and keep the 05 lights but maybe add the shield grill thingy, or bring back a Bugeye option perhaps with the individual light components instead of the full glass. Hey we already have frameless windows, why not capitalize on them. This way you can forget about the Mitsu evo compairson which Subaru always barely loses, and instead show up the clone like Mazda and all the new convertibles that everyone else is introducing.

01-27-2005, 01:28 AM	#103
Diabolical1 CC * Banned * Member#: 59897 Join Date: Apr 2004	Wouldn't a convertible wagon end up looking like a convertible Baja? And if you don't want suicide rear doors have a roll bar in the middle.

01-27-2005, 11:24 AM	#106
wrxited Scooby Specialist Member#: 58289 Join Date: Mar 2004 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: South Carolina Vehicle: 2011 STI White	Dealers don't know anything, and sales people don't know anything about cars, they are dumber than rocks........

01-30-2005, 02:28 PM	#107
VIR EURORALLY Scooby Specialist Member#: 53517 Join Date: Jan 2004 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Flat4VA Vehicle: STi Outback STi	Unless they keep it in a USDM version only. The STI will not be made over 300hp due to Japanese regulation of cars not exceeding 300hp.Then again...I'm not sure how FHI would able to make 400hp with that law over there unless an exception is mad efor exports over there.

01-31-2005, 02:37 AM	#109
Rotorflyr Scooby Newbie Member#: 32461 Join Date: Feb 2003	I heard you'll be able to get it in Blue with Gold rims

01-31-2005, 07:53 PM	#115
dl337j00 Scooby Specialist Member#: 58049 Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Vehicle: 1990 Skyline GTR Gunmetal Grey	the agreement was not 300hp. it was 280ps at the flywheel. this translated to 276hp. Nissan was the one to break this agreement, in 1989 with the 300zx turbo.... it was 300hp. a few years later mitsu did it with the 3000GT (gto). then nissan did it again, with the 2002 Skyline GTR Nur (they called it 280ps, but it was really 368WHP, they lied, and infuriated all the other manufacturers.) now the agreement has been changed to JUST FLAGSHIP CARS... so Honda sets the NSX, Nissan the 350Z, Mazda had the 2002 RX7 @280ps, and Subaru has the STi @280ps, and Mitsu has the EVO @ 280ps.

01-31-2005, 09:32 PM	#119
snowman4us Scooby Specialist Member#: 21764 Join Date: Jul 2002 Chapter/Region: RMIC Location: Salty Lake Vehicle: Some GDM V8, JDM Flat 4 X2	i heard so mutch diff. stuff about the 06 sti that im just not going to listen to anyone untill i see subaru saying something about it...

02-22-2005, 02:32 PM	#120
rubelcon Scooby Specialist Member#: 41693 Join Date: Aug 2003 Chapter/Region: International Location: Bear Mountain Vehicle: not DOT approved :(	As god awful ugly as it is, who cares if it ever makes it to the dealership or not.

02-23-2005, 12:03 PM	#122
wrxpeed Scooby Specialist Member#: 49958 Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: in your mom's pants...and MN Vehicle: '03 Cobra DSG SOLD '02 WRB WRX	This whole post was basically made 3 weeks ago by me. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=712657 Bryan

02-23-2005, 12:57 PM	#124
MTMS4 Scooby Newbie Member#: 5227 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Rochester, New York, USA	The specs of the forthcoming USDM Evo IX aren't available yet (supposedly these will be revealed at the NY Auto Show in a couple of weeks) but it's power output is rumoured to be around 300 hp & 300 lb/ft torque with the new MIVEC-equipped engine. So, on paper at least, it will match the current STi. I would expect Subaru to up-the-ante with the 2006 STi, but I doubt it will be boasting anywhere near 400 hp....though 330 hp seems like a reasonable power hike in standard trim ??????