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12-04-2021, 04:19 PM | #251 | |
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12-04-2021, 05:02 PM | #252 |
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If your talking about my statement of 60K pre. Read again. That was AUS pricing.
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12-04-2021, 05:07 PM | #253 |
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Edit won't work.. ok I see what your saying Pre..
Never Mind.. |
12-04-2021, 07:54 PM | #254 |
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Okay, I'll chime in I'd be willing to pay $40K max as well.
I don't care for the CF roof, I'll gladly take a sunroof. |
12-04-2021, 08:08 PM | #255 |
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$40k max is what I would pay but, yes what pre said, it depends on the full package, details, specs.
If it's a non-diff'd AWD, no fancy suspension, turbo Corolla hatch, then $34k max. Last edited by subyski; 12-04-2021 at 08:16 PM. |
12-04-2021, 10:24 PM | #256 | |
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Yeah I won’t pay over MSRP, but it may never sell for MSRP. |
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12-05-2021, 12:53 AM | #257 | |
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BTW, if I had 30 bitcoins I would not be looking at a Corolla. |
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12-05-2021, 07:53 AM | #258 | |
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The kid drives a company car (a Subaru) last I heard. He’s a HODLer like most who didn’t sell at $5, $500, or $50,000. Seriously though I think initially the ADM will be $20k, and it’ll drop, but you may not see MSRP for years, there’s just too much easy money out there and it’s gonna get worse not better. The stimulus Genie is out of the bottle and it’s not going back in. |
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12-05-2021, 10:10 AM | #259 |
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Yeah I don't see anyone but enthusiasts picking up the GR Corolla and using their stimulus money to get it. Maybe a couple of people will work out the maths, but I think most of us willing to spend mid-to-upper $30k will do so with qualifying income + trade-in + cash, etc. Obviously we won't know until we get there, but so far the only enthusiast car that I keep hearing about having ADM constantly is the CTR. Beyond that I've seen people find good deals on the BRZ, Supra, GTI, Golf R, Hyundai N cars, WRX, STI, etc.
Personally I'm not overly worried about it. If the specs are legit then I'll gladly put a deposit down. But if the dealer adds ADM then I'll just take my money back and put it towards the same car elsewhere at some point. Also there will always be someone who buys it and then has to sell it shortly afterwards (divorce, moving, needs to buy a new house, etc), so a very lightly used GR Corolla would be fine too. For now, we hurry up and wait! |
12-05-2021, 01:54 PM | #260 | |
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And this 60k nonsense, is just that. Geez man give it a rest. It’s stupid. New performance cars will get ADM. And not all dealers do it. The car hasn’t even been shown with details and pricing from the manufacturer yet you are telling us it’s going to be 60k. Well “It may never sell for MSRP” . Go ahead and throw some drama out there with the drama queen business. For f sake. |
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12-05-2021, 04:07 PM | #261 |
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For sure the question is - will it target WRX, or STI? And why not both?
Some outrageously expensive experimental car would be cool for the handful that get them... what is NEEDED is a solid AWD alternative to WRX, STI, GTI, R. |
12-05-2021, 08:53 PM | #262 |
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In all honesty I could care less what it competes with, as long as it is the full package, i.e. it comes with the diffs, tuned suspension, the 268HP motor and 6 speed manual trans. I know a Toyota product will be more reliable than the WRX or the STI. A tune and a couple of after market goodies, I’d settle for 325-350HP. I won’t be worrying about ringlands, blown pistons, etc.
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12-05-2021, 09:32 PM | #263 | |
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Carmakers are talking 2023 now for chip shortages to ease. You still can’t get a video card for MSRP and it’s been years now. I think it’s funny we’re so eager to hear specs when it’ll be 3 years before we can get one even close to MSRP. Last edited by VarmintCong; 12-05-2021 at 09:37 PM. |
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12-05-2021, 09:41 PM | #264 |
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Assuming $39k with diffs it clearly competes with the Type R and Golf R. And I’m sure an open diff version will exist at lower cost to compete with WRX and GTI, and the Hyundai N cars.
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12-05-2021, 10:15 PM | #265 | |
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12-05-2021, 11:46 PM | #266 | |
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You're just being crazy with all the doom and gloom stuff. The world has changed for now, it will not last not matter how much your profess. Companies make more $ when supply channels flow, not when they are hindered. Quit whining. Last edited by Pre; 12-06-2021 at 12:04 AM. |
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12-06-2021, 09:26 AM | #267 |
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good read here and the real conversation here is not the car to me, but the auto market trying to establish a new normal. A new era of paying MSRP for their product. They just need to get the public used to getting screwed and not asking for deals.
2 years ago I could buy an F150 and get 15k off sticker and 0% for 72months and 5 years free maintenance. now they are only offering 500 off sticker and no other incentives. Once the supply comes back on line it only takes the tiniest bit of creativity to rebalance the inventory and keep the MSRP prices fixed and they will increase volume again as 84 and 96 month financing becomes the new norm. The people that can call BS on any chip shortage are so low it can be considered non existent and the customer will have no choice but to pay inflated prices for everything. This is just one way inflation happens, and just one way the value of money around the world loses buying power. As much as I LOVE buying new vehicles I will absolutely NOT contribute to this nonsense, and will not be buying another new car until the prices normalize again. Car and trucks, especially trucks have been overpriced for decades. 15-20k dollars of profit per truck/SUV is good for them, but crappy for us. In my mind if they could have sold it for that low before, then they can do it again. It does not cost any more to make. If that means I will have to wait 4 years, then so be it. |
12-06-2021, 09:58 AM | #268 |
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No one is holding a gun to your head that you need to buy a truck.
If anything, they should be a lot more expensive when you consider the external cost of every real American daily driving a 5500lb truck. Between drinking fuel at 17mpg and their big footprints that require enormous parking spots, and wider roads while triggering the overall safety arms race we’re in, we’d be better off if way fewer people drove trucks. |
12-06-2021, 10:24 AM | #269 |
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people who keep the country moving drive trucks. Contractors, delivery people, small business owners drive trucks. I have a need to landscape often. I need to tow my classic cars around. I am about to buy a boat and tractor for some land I am about to buy in the next year. Not that I have to explain what I want to buy to you or anybody, just saying some people do need a truck. Some people just want one. Makes no difference to me. Anybody can drive what they want.
what you are talking about is conditioning people to do what you want through prices and driving people to a solution of your picking. Not very American. I'll pass on your way of thinking. Further, If you are concerned about weight, then you should really hate EV. The Rivian I like weighs over 7000 lbs. Its a mid size truck. The roads will degrade at an alarming rate if we all switch to heavier EV. Just saying. Have nice day |
12-06-2021, 11:03 AM | #270 | ||
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12-06-2021, 11:06 AM | #271 |
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I know plenty of guys who buy their wives their own truck because they feel safer having them in a truck when everyone else has trucks.
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12-06-2021, 11:17 AM | #272 |
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What the hell happened to this thread?
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12-06-2021, 11:32 AM | #273 |
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12-06-2021, 11:35 AM | #274 |
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12-06-2021, 11:52 AM | #275 | |
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I didn’t say a word about EVs. Road degradation is on an exponential scale so the difference between 7000 and 5500 doesn’t register versus semi trucks — which do a vast majority of road damage. I definitely recognize that my 3000lb hatchback is ****ed when someone loses control of their 7000lbs EV, though. I’m never on the winning side of that dynamics simulation. I 100% hate the normalizing of weight gain that comes with long range EVs. |
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