ESP - The competition - Page 46

bdi · 05-24-2009, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CamaroFS34

Sweet looking car. We're going to have a pair of monsters for the pony car drivers to be a'fearing.

And I cant wait to see their response!! Can wait to see both in action at the DC Pro!

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Mechie3 · 05-24-2009, 09:31 PM

I'm supposed to go to the DC pro but apparently it takes a couple of weeks to get oversized bearings and piston rings from the dealer instead of the original 3 days I was told. Still waiting. My current engine is in no shape to be driving to DC much less AXing.

digitalseance · 05-24-2009, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mccanixx

I could always do some custom fender work for you at the DC pro...

If you like junk.

Glad to see my old wheels and tires are going to work for you

Now make them (and me

) proud!!

AUTOwrXER · 05-25-2009, 01:22 AM

So happy to see the ESP set coming along. While I remain (too) dormant, I look forward to rejoining the passion of the Subie Nation. For now I will cheer on Karen and Greg as they put in the work required to challenge the best.

Every time I see that picture of Stompy on the blown front shock at Gwinnett it makes me think about the difference that engineering can make to a race car. I took FTD at that event with two dead shocks and two others that dyno'd over 2000# of shock force at 12"/sec (keep in mind that a blown shock still shows most of its force in compression, and little in rebound). My first crack at the setup was to go stiff, but I didn't plan on the shocks being the dominant compression factor. Needless to say the valving was a hair off, but 100% of the feedback I got at the event was to soften the springs. Fail.

I have been thoroughly enjoying the F1 season this year, as it has shown how important good design is on any level. Throw budgets out the window; I will put money on the competence of the (empowered) designer every time. Braun is a legend, and while the sport glorifies driving I think we have plainly seen that the chariot carries the driver in equal proportion. Since I have decided to go in a completely different direction with my mechanical engineering degree, I get to play in this arena as a hobby. I enjoy helping friends put the pieces together, and the more complex the puzzle the better, as far as I am concerned. This is a strong design that can accomplish far more than it has to this point, so Subie fans should be as passionate now as we were when the WRX first hit our shores, as the checkered flag has not yet started to fray

CamaroFS34 · 05-25-2009, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AUTOwrXER

Every time I see that picture of Stompy on the blown front shock at Gwinnett it makes me think about the difference that engineering can make to a race car.

Every time I see that picture of Stompy in that particular turn, I think about the bruises I came home with after two weekends in a row of running that car on 1000lb springs.

AUTOwrXER · 05-25-2009, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CamaroFS34

Every time I see that picture of Stompy in that particular turn, I think about the bruises I came home with after two weekends in a row of running that car on 1000lb springs.

It was actually on 650# springs at that point, but the shock forces kinda made that irrelevant...

revnseven · 05-27-2009, 05:19 PM

A quick question here. At the last event I shattered 2nd gear in the stock trans. I'm looking at putting in MFactory close ratio gear set, which class would I be put into? Also thinking about installing a front LSD while its apart.

Is it going to put me into SM or FP?

Thanks
Brian

digitalseance · 05-27-2009, 05:31 PM

^^ SM

I considered the same. Instead, my whole car is up for sale.

revnseven · 05-27-2009, 05:35 PM

ok thats what i thought.

stil2stock · 05-27-2009, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by revnseven

A quick question here. At the last event I shattered 2nd gear in the stock trans. I'm looking at putting in MFactory close ratio gear set, which class would I be put into? Also thinking about installing a front LSD while its apart.

Is it going to put me into SM or FP?

Thanks
Brian

haha, I just did the same thing to mine (broke it, that is) a couple weeks ago. Andrewtech is just finishing a stock rebuild for me, and I'm praying it doesnt break every other season.

revnseven · 05-27-2009, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stil2stock

haha, I just did the same thing to mine (broke it, that is) a couple weeks ago. Andrewtech is just finishing a stock rebuild for me, and I'm praying it doesnt break every other season.

it sucks, but I have 108xxx miles on mine

stil2stock · 05-28-2009, 12:07 AM

wow, mine only had 66k when it went boom.

revnseven · 05-28-2009, 06:36 AM

its had a hard life for the last 5 years. I was either drag racing or autoxing. But know for something to hold up better then stock.

CamaroFS34 · 05-30-2009, 01:04 PM

Picked the car up last night. It isn't done, but we want to start tuning the suspension... so, it'll go back for more next week.

The flares turned out nice.

Leonardo · 05-30-2009, 01:18 PM

WOW, Looking at the WRX's make me glad there ain't one in my region (YET!)

And one thing, What makes some Mustangs be in ESP and others in A whatever?

CamaroFS34 · 05-30-2009, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leonardo

And one thing, What makes some Mustangs be in ESP and others in A whatever?

Saleen Mustangs had a supercharger option.

Leonardo · 05-30-2009, 05:39 PM

but Ihave seen a Roush mustang (non supercharged) in ESP as well as a Shelby GT (non 500), in A Stock, being almost the same, they are in different classes.

CamaroFS34 · 05-30-2009, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leonardo

but Ihave seen a Roush mustang (non supercharged) in ESP as well as a Shelby GT (non 500), in A Stock, being almost the same, they are in different classes.

Shelby GT should not be in AS. It's an FS car, so that was just someone running the wrong class. If it ran in street prepared, it would be ESP.

Roush Mustang will fall in whatever class the modifications put it into.

Superchargers are not an allowable addition in SP. So, since Saleen is considered a "manufacturer," the Saleen Mustang is listed separately from a Ford Mustang.

mccanixx · 05-30-2009, 08:07 PM

Looks good Karen.

mmmmmm fresh hoosiers

Chiketkd · 05-30-2009, 09:30 PM

+1 Looking great Karen.

CamaroFS34 · 06-01-2009, 07:03 PM

Gabe coming into an off-camber, sorta sweeping turn at the DC points event yesterday.

mccanixx · 06-01-2009, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CamaroFS34

Gabe coming into an off-camber, sorta sweeping turn at the DC points event yesterday.

What did you both think of the car? I'm interested.

A subaru pretending to be a bmw, or a cp mustang?

CamaroFS34 · 06-01-2009, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mccanixx

What did you both think of the car? I'm interested.

I'm not sure yet. I really was scraping the rust off yesterday (last serious autocross was last November -- and the only other one since then was a horrible abortion of a wet event in a FSP SE-R on new V710s....

), and the course was still moist in spots (random storm blew threw the area in the morning).

It's not a DS car any more, that's for sure. Unfortunately, there were some places -- like the aforementioned off-camber "showcase" turn -- where I came into it okay, but was way too tentative getting back on the gas because the idea that if I romp on the accelerator, it's gonna push, is so entrenched in my mind. I wish the car had been ready a week earlier, so I could get 8-10 runs with NASA down at VMP, which has similar grip.

Where the power comes on is also so different that it's going to take some getting used to.

I ran in the morning, with XP, so we messed a bit with the shock settings to get rid of some bounciness, and Gabe benefitted from what I did in the afternoon (and from better course conditions, but he also drove a lot better than he's driven in the past).

I thought it was interesting that I did beat BSP straight up, as usually the BSP crowd isn't too shabby. I wasn't sure how ESP is supposed to stack up to STU, and I was 0.7 off Mike Neary's best time.

I'm just wondering if I'm going to have to break down and get diffs. We weren't having tire spin issues, but.... I don't know.

This is me entering a slalom (badly -- I was trying to reacclimate to a wireless throttle after driving a Camaro for the last month, and also to a new power band) :

I'm pretty sure the "air" under the right side of the car is due to a bump, but if it's not, I need to do something. We'll see.

CamaroFS34 · 06-01-2009, 08:24 PM

edit : I don't think those are brake lights -- I'm pretty sure my third brake light works just fine. Apparently, I ran with the headlights "on".

mccanixx · 06-01-2009, 08:43 PM

Well at least you've gotten to begin the meeting with the car, again. You're further along then you were a month ago, in that regard. The sorting and familiarity will come.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CamaroFS34

I'm just wondering if I'm going to have to break down and get diffs.

The answer to this question is yes. I'm a convert and a true believer. I have seen the light.

05-25-2009, 01:22 AM	#1129
AUTOwrXER Scooby Specialist Member#: 5817 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA, USA Vehicle: 2005 STi Silver	So happy to see the ESP set coming along. While I remain (too) dormant, I look forward to rejoining the passion of the Subie Nation. For now I will cheer on Karen and Greg as they put in the work required to challenge the best. Every time I see that picture of Stompy on the blown front shock at Gwinnett it makes me think about the difference that engineering can make to a race car. I took FTD at that event with two dead shocks and two others that dyno'd over 2000# of shock force at 12"/sec (keep in mind that a blown shock still shows most of its force in compression, and little in rebound). My first crack at the setup was to go stiff, but I didn't plan on the shocks being the dominant compression factor. Needless to say the valving was a hair off, but 100% of the feedback I got at the event was to soften the springs. Fail. I have been thoroughly enjoying the F1 season this year, as it has shown how important good design is on any level. Throw budgets out the window; I will put money on the competence of the (empowered) designer every time. Braun is a legend, and while the sport glorifies driving I think we have plainly seen that the chariot carries the driver in equal proportion. Since I have decided to go in a completely different direction with my mechanical engineering degree, I get to play in this arena as a hobby. I enjoy helping friends put the pieces together, and the more complex the puzzle the better, as far as I am concerned. This is a strong design that can accomplish far more than it has to this point, so Subie fans should be as passionate now as we were when the WRX first hit our shores, as the checkered flag has not yet started to fray Last edited by AUTOwrXER; 05-25-2009 at 02:22 AM.

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05-24-2009, 09:31 PM	#1127
Mechie3 Scooby Guru Member#: 120152 Join Date: Jul 2006 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Indy	I'm supposed to go to the DC pro but apparently it takes a couple of weeks to get oversized bearings and piston rings from the dealer instead of the original 3 days I was told. Still waiting. My current engine is in no shape to be driving to DC much less AXing.

05-27-2009, 05:19 PM	#1132
revnseven Scooby Newbie Member#: 72304 Join Date: Oct 2004 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Moline IL Vehicle: 2002 02 WRX Wagon 11 VW Jetta TDI 6Speed	A quick question here. At the last event I shattered 2nd gear in the stock trans. I'm looking at putting in MFactory close ratio gear set, which class would I be put into? Also thinking about installing a front LSD while its apart. Is it going to put me into SM or FP? Thanks Brian

05-27-2009, 05:31 PM	#1133
digitalseance Scooby Specialist Member#: 104400 Join Date: Jan 2006 Chapter/Region: South East Location: SouthSide Jax, FL Vehicle: 169k mile race car Black	^^ SM I considered the same. Instead, my whole car is up for sale.

05-27-2009, 05:35 PM	#1134
revnseven Scooby Newbie Member#: 72304 Join Date: Oct 2004 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Moline IL Vehicle: 2002 02 WRX Wagon 11 VW Jetta TDI 6Speed	ok thats what i thought.

05-28-2009, 12:07 AM	#1137
stil2stock Scooby Specialist Member#: 51870 Join Date: Jan 2004 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Charlottesville, VA Vehicle: 06 STI WRB	wow, mine only had 66k when it went boom.

05-28-2009, 06:36 AM	#1138
revnseven Scooby Newbie Member#: 72304 Join Date: Oct 2004 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Moline IL Vehicle: 2002 02 WRX Wagon 11 VW Jetta TDI 6Speed	its had a hard life for the last 5 years. I was either drag racing or autoxing. But know for something to hold up better then stock.

05-30-2009, 01:04 PM	#1139
CamaroFS34 Scooby Guru Member#: 6850 Join Date: May 2001 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: SoBWI, MD Vehicle: 1996 Camaro Z28 1LE, '23 WRX & '19 XV	Picked the car up last night. It isn't done, but we want to start tuning the suspension... so, it'll go back for more next week. The flares turned out nice.

05-30-2009, 01:18 PM	#1140
Leonardo Cowabunga! Super Moderator Member#: 185 Join Date: Aug 1999 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Orlando, Fl Vehicle: 2014 Impreza Sport Ice Silver Metalic	WOW, Looking at the WRX's make me glad there ain't one in my region (YET!) And one thing, What makes some Mustangs be in ESP and others in A whatever?

05-30-2009, 05:39 PM	#1142
Leonardo Cowabunga! Super Moderator Member#: 185 Join Date: Aug 1999 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Orlando, Fl Vehicle: 2014 Impreza Sport Ice Silver Metalic	but Ihave seen a Roush mustang (non supercharged) in ESP as well as a Shelby GT (non 500), in A Stock, being almost the same, they are in different classes.

05-30-2009, 08:07 PM	#1144
mccanixx Scooby Specialist Member#: 60566 Join Date: Apr 2004 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: San Diego, Ca. Vehicle: 2005 XT 5sp, 02 WRX 01 Legacy 95 Impreza L	Looks good Karen. mmmmmm fresh hoosiers

05-30-2009, 09:30 PM	#1145
Chiketkd Scooby Guru Member#: 71634 Join Date: Sep 2004 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: C-Ville, VA Vehicle: In hibernation...	+1 Looking great Karen.

06-01-2009, 07:03 PM	#1146
CamaroFS34 Scooby Guru Member#: 6850 Join Date: May 2001 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: SoBWI, MD Vehicle: 1996 Camaro Z28 1LE, '23 WRX & '19 XV	Gabe coming into an off-camber, sorta sweeping turn at the DC points event yesterday.

06-01-2009, 08:24 PM	#1149
CamaroFS34 Scooby Guru Member#: 6850 Join Date: May 2001 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: SoBWI, MD Vehicle: 1996 Camaro Z28 1LE, '23 WRX & '19 XV	edit : I don't think those are brake lights -- I'm pretty sure my third brake light works just fine. Apparently, I ran with the headlights "on".