ESP - The competition - Page 85

BeBop86 · 08-14-2013, 09:11 PM

Thanks! I just picked up a spare trunk for free from a friend, so now I want to play with a little arrow aerodynamics in the rear.

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newtothescene · 08-16-2013, 01:20 AM

Congrats again Nick. Nice piece of glass! See you in a few weeks.

BeBop86 · 08-16-2013, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by newtothescene

Congrats again Nick. Nice piece of glass! See you in a few weeks.

Thanks man! Also, just an FYI, Chuckanut may be having some autocrosses after all this year. I'm getting in touch with the port of bellingham to figure out the lease info and we've already sent out for the insurance. Small lot, but still fun

Here's a photo from this last weekend:

mccanixx · 08-16-2013, 11:19 AM

^^^ awesome. Glad you're having fun!

BeBop86 · 08-20-2013, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mccanixx

^^^ awesome. Glad you're having fun!

Thanks Greg! Can't wait til next year to finally try out Packwood

Saw that the photos from the Can Nats are finally in!

It was reeeaaalllly wet on day 2 (These were taken from the tail end of the rainstorm... which happened to occur right at the start of our heat):

Hold_Fast · 08-20-2013, 04:34 PM

So I know mccanixx/Greg likes the unicorn juice, E85. But has anyone else ran a different race fuel? I don't really drive the car much anymore, so getting it tuned for the appropriate fuel and spending a few bucks extra to run the high test won't break the bank. Unfortunately E85 is not available in my area, so any thoughts on some of the other brands/types?

BeBop86 · 08-20-2013, 04:56 PM

VP Racing Fuel? If money is no issue, just go with race gas... I think E85 is used because it's more affordable.

Hold_Fast · 08-20-2013, 07:37 PM

Well, money is always an issue. However, like I said, the car only really does autox now, so putting a few gallons of race gas in won't kill me. I'm just curious if anyone has done any research or has a preference to share between VP & Sunoco, and their multitude of different gases.

I've also found this: http://www.race-gas.com/.

Which would save me from taking a trip to the local Sunoco 100 octane pump, but isn't exactly more reasonable, I think. I might just need to take a ride down to my local station and see exactly what the price is...

griceiv · 08-20-2013, 07:51 PM

in addition to being cheap, e85 makes a crap load of power. switching to e85 was worth 10% more power for us (ASP car) compared to using vp MS109. so it's basically on par with C16 type fuels for about 12 dollars per gallon less (and you're not killing the environment...as much).

gixxer7fiddy · 08-21-2013, 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by griceiv

in addition to being cheap, e85 makes a crap load of power. switching to e85 was worth 10% more power for us (ASP car) compared to using vp MS109. so it's basically on par with C16 type fuels for about 12 dollars per gallon less (and you're not killing the environment...as much).

I made about 10% more hp and close to 25% more torque by switching to e85 in my SM car.

Hold_Fast · 08-21-2013, 06:02 AM

So it looks like I should just bite the bullet, do injectors and go e85. I think my closest pump is >30 miles away though. How quickly do you guys burn through it? I'm guessing I'll just pick up 4-5 gallon bottles, 10 gallons per event?

EDIT: Yep, two options. Center city Philadelphia, 29 miles, 35 minutes, or Mighty Joe's in South Jersey, 34 miles, 45 minutes. Considering Mighty Joe's also stocks all kinds of other race gas, has great food, and isn't in center city Philly, that'll most likely be the best option.

gixxer7fiddy · 08-21-2013, 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hold_Fast

So it looks like I should just bite the bullet, do injectors and go e85. I think my closest pump is >30 miles away though. How quickly do you guys burn through it? I'm guessing I'll just pick up 4-5 gallon bottles, 10 gallons per event?

EDIT: Yep, two options. Center city Philadelphia, 29 miles, 35 minutes, or Mighty Joe's in South Jersey, 34 miles, 45 minutes. Considering Mighty Joe's also stocks all kinds of other race gas, has great food, and isn't in center city Philly, that'll most likely be the best option.

Depends. On our normal 6 run events in Milwaukee even with a codriver we are using about 4 gallons in a day. I always go with about 3/4 of a tank and a 5 gallon jug of fresh e85, and leave at the end of the day with an empty jug. Ill just fill up my tank after the event.

mccanixx · 08-21-2013, 10:30 AM

don't forget the pump if yours is still stock.

I vote E85. For all the reasons above. Only issue I had/see is the winter/summer blend of the cold states. When I was in Ohio it was tuned for 73% and I'd cut it down with gas in the summer. Otherwise you're, kind of, constantly tuning. Or switching maps a few times a year. In socal it is 85% all the time.

You're using 30% more of it to do the same thing, so you might be able to work out mileage from there. My car is not really a DD so I don't consider it.

I'd have someway of knowing what the content is. A cheap water tester or, the zeitronix gauge with a GM flex fuel sensor.

Always a option if you were considering buying race gas http://www.racegas.com/fuel/18

A bit more per gallon but I'm sure you could get it through a local drag strip or something that deals with sunoco and save on the shipping.

E85 can make a **** ton of tq...we have the 5 sp. It's not happenstance that I have 2 boxes that are rebuilt and rotated out through the season

Hold_Fast · 08-21-2013, 11:12 AM

I do have a walbro 255 in already, so all I would really need is injectors plus a tune. Any thoughts on reliability of the walbro on E85, or would it be a better idea to jump to one of the E85 specific pumps? Both AEM and Deatschwerks make a 320lph E85 compatible pump that aren't crazy expensive.

I don't DD the car either, but due to the limited availability in my area, I'll just have to make sure I have enough on hand for the event I'm running. The winter/summer blend is something I've considered and need to talk to the tuner about as well. Definitely worth looking into the gauge and GM sensor so I can at least know I'm OK, then maybe have some of the Sunoco or VP E85 on hand to adjust if needed. I'll have to make some calls about getting that as well.

Note to self: buy spare transmission.

Thanks Greg.

gixxer7fiddy · 08-21-2013, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hold_Fast

I do have a walbro 255 in already, so all I would really need is injectors plus a tune. Any thoughts on reliability of the walbro on E85, or would it be a better idea to jump to one of the E85 specific pumps? Both AEM and Deatschwerks make a 320lph E85 compatible pump that aren't crazy expensive.

I don't DD the car either, but due to the limited availability in my area, I'll just have to make sure I have enough on hand for the event I'm running. The winter/summer blend is something I've considered and need to talk to the tuner about as well. Definitely worth looking into the gauge and GM sensor so I can at least know I'm OK, then maybe have some of the Sunoco or VP E85 on hand to adjust if needed. I'll have to make some calls about getting that as well.

Note to self: buy spare transmission.

Thanks Greg.

Get an e85 compatible pump.

griceiv · 08-21-2013, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hold_Fast

Any thoughts on reliability of the walbro on E85, or would it be a better idea to jump to one of the E85 specific pumps?

we've run e85 through a 255 for over 3 years now, zero issues. if its not e85 compatible it sure hides it well.

we budget 5 gallons per day (or per prosolo heat).

Hold_Fast · 08-22-2013, 08:21 AM

Thanks for the input on the fuel consumption and the pump guys. I'll do a bit more research and see what the opinion is on the 255 long term.

zozza8 · 08-23-2013, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by griceiv

we've run e85 through a 255 for over 3 years now, zero issues. if its not e85 compatible it sure hides it well.

we budget 5 gallons per day (or per prosolo heat).

This. I've been in the e85 for 3 years with the 255 and haven't had any issues. And I went with the 1000cc Injector Dynamics and would definitely recommend them.

mccanixx · 09-17-2013, 10:35 AM

I think I'll stay in ESP next year. I don't really have the funds for SM so it makes sense to me, for now.

I really have a feeling our cars will be reclassed to ASP for 2015. With the change to street tires in stock ESP will be the last, relatively mild, place for the pony cars to play on dot-r's. I'll help them write the letters if they put 02-current wrx on the same line.

So for next year I'll buy some lighter wheels and seats. Have a new shortblock built, finally get it retuned. Do some other small stuff and the limited aero crap.

sureshot007 · 09-17-2013, 10:37 AM

I'm all for the idea, as long as they same line all wrxs. If they split them, it will just be a slaughter for the GD WRXs.

griceiv · 09-18-2013, 03:50 AM

what do the GD's have that the GC's want? ...or is it the other way around?

sureshot007 · 09-18-2013, 08:08 AM

The GCs have everything the GDs want, except they aren't remotely in the same class.

We are talking about GDs and GRs being in the same class, and the GR having a bigger turbo.

sureshot007 · 09-18-2013, 08:09 AM

double post.

mccanixx · 09-18-2013, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by griceiv

what do the GD's have that the GC's want? ...or is it the other way around?

Yeah I wasn't thinking about the GC's. The GC's would probably want a turbo and out of DSP. Lol

GC's and GD's are the same wheelbase and track. Width and length are also pretty much identical. Brief search shows them 200lbs lighter base but I don't think it's that much to start with and certainly not after a turbo engine swap.

So you could potentially bring them up onto the wrx line but I don't know if anyone would be for that. Cool factor would be way up though on a 2 door ASP GC.

You could say that the GD's would want the GC's minimum start weight.

I'm surprised no one has done an 09 WRX for ASP yet...They do get longer, wider, heavier, and taller yet again after 08.

For me it's just access to the bigger WRX turbo to get closer to the EVO output numbers. I would leave STi's on a separate line however. The turbo is slightly bigger. I don't know if someone wants that on a GD.

subydude · 09-18-2013, 11:23 AM

Yes, lets put the GC (93-01), GD (02-07), and GR (08-now) on the same line please

Can you say early 90's GC with a full GR swap in ASP? I'd wager a good solid 2,600 lbs or even less in SP trim with Evo numbers for power and a drivetrain that should be pretty solid.

In reality, putting the GD WRX in ASP means it should go on the same line as the GD/GR STi which basically means the best of breed 02 WRX with dual AVCS/right turbo/good trans & rear end.

08-21-2013, 06:02 AM	#2111
Hold_Fast Scooby Specialist Member#: 175837 Join Date: Mar 2008 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: Philly Burbs Vehicle: #61 9.5% FP	So it looks like I should just bite the bullet, do injectors and go e85. I think my closest pump is >30 miles away though. How quickly do you guys burn through it? I'm guessing I'll just pick up 4-5 gallon bottles, 10 gallons per event? EDIT: Yep, two options. Center city Philadelphia, 29 miles, 35 minutes, or Mighty Joe's in South Jersey, 34 miles, 45 minutes. Considering Mighty Joe's also stocks all kinds of other race gas, has great food, and isn't in center city Philly, that'll most likely be the best option. Last edited by Hold_Fast; 08-21-2013 at 06:45 AM.

08-21-2013, 10:30 AM	#2113
mccanixx Scooby Specialist Member#: 60566 Join Date: Apr 2004 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: San Diego, Ca. Vehicle: 2005 XT 5sp, 02 WRX 01 Legacy 95 Impreza L	don't forget the pump if yours is still stock. I vote E85. For all the reasons above. Only issue I had/see is the winter/summer blend of the cold states. When I was in Ohio it was tuned for 73% and I'd cut it down with gas in the summer. Otherwise you're, kind of, constantly tuning. Or switching maps a few times a year. In socal it is 85% all the time. You're using 30% more of it to do the same thing, so you might be able to work out mileage from there. My car is not really a DD so I don't consider it. I'd have someway of knowing what the content is. A cheap water tester or, the zeitronix gauge with a GM flex fuel sensor. Always a option if you were considering buying race gas http://www.racegas.com/fuel/18 A bit more per gallon but I'm sure you could get it through a local drag strip or something that deals with sunoco and save on the shipping. E85 can make a **** ton of tq...we have the 5 sp. It's not happenstance that I have 2 boxes that are rebuilt and rotated out through the season Last edited by mccanixx; 08-21-2013 at 10:35 AM.

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08-14-2013, 09:11 PM	#2101
BeBop86 Scooby Guru Member#: 147776 Join Date: May 2007 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Seattle, WA Vehicle: 2001 Forester 2013 Scion FR-S	Thanks! I just picked up a spare trunk for free from a friend, so now I want to play with a little arrow aerodynamics in the rear. * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

08-16-2013, 01:20 AM	#2102
newtothescene Scooby Specialist Member#: 222368 Join Date: Sep 2009 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Tri-Cities Vehicle: 2006 WRX Limited CGM - SOLD	Congrats again Nick. Nice piece of glass! See you in a few weeks.

08-16-2013, 11:19 AM	#2104
mccanixx Scooby Specialist Member#: 60566 Join Date: Apr 2004 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: San Diego, Ca. Vehicle: 2005 XT 5sp, 02 WRX 01 Legacy 95 Impreza L	^^^ awesome. Glad you're having fun!

08-20-2013, 04:34 PM	#2106
Hold_Fast Scooby Specialist Member#: 175837 Join Date: Mar 2008 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: Philly Burbs Vehicle: #61 9.5% FP	So I know mccanixx/Greg likes the unicorn juice, E85. But has anyone else ran a different race fuel? I don't really drive the car much anymore, so getting it tuned for the appropriate fuel and spending a few bucks extra to run the high test won't break the bank. Unfortunately E85 is not available in my area, so any thoughts on some of the other brands/types?

08-20-2013, 04:56 PM	#2107
BeBop86 Scooby Guru Member#: 147776 Join Date: May 2007 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Seattle, WA Vehicle: 2001 Forester 2013 Scion FR-S	VP Racing Fuel? If money is no issue, just go with race gas... I think E85 is used because it's more affordable.

08-20-2013, 07:37 PM	#2108
Hold_Fast Scooby Specialist Member#: 175837 Join Date: Mar 2008 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: Philly Burbs Vehicle: #61 9.5% FP	Well, money is always an issue. However, like I said, the car only really does autox now, so putting a few gallons of race gas in won't kill me. I'm just curious if anyone has done any research or has a preference to share between VP & Sunoco, and their multitude of different gases. I've also found this: http://www.race-gas.com/. Which would save me from taking a trip to the local Sunoco 100 octane pump, but isn't exactly more reasonable, I think. I might just need to take a ride down to my local station and see exactly what the price is...

08-20-2013, 07:51 PM	#2109
griceiv Scooby Newbie Member#: 162781 Join Date: Oct 2007	in addition to being cheap, e85 makes a crap load of power. switching to e85 was worth 10% more power for us (ASP car) compared to using vp MS109. so it's basically on par with C16 type fuels for about 12 dollars per gallon less (and you're not killing the environment...as much).

08-21-2013, 11:12 AM	#2114
Hold_Fast Scooby Specialist Member#: 175837 Join Date: Mar 2008 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: Philly Burbs Vehicle: #61 9.5% FP	I do have a walbro 255 in already, so all I would really need is injectors plus a tune. Any thoughts on reliability of the walbro on E85, or would it be a better idea to jump to one of the E85 specific pumps? Both AEM and Deatschwerks make a 320lph E85 compatible pump that aren't crazy expensive. I don't DD the car either, but due to the limited availability in my area, I'll just have to make sure I have enough on hand for the event I'm running. The winter/summer blend is something I've considered and need to talk to the tuner about as well. Definitely worth looking into the gauge and GM sensor so I can at least know I'm OK, then maybe have some of the Sunoco or VP E85 on hand to adjust if needed. I'll have to make some calls about getting that as well. Note to self: buy spare transmission. Thanks Greg.

08-22-2013, 08:21 AM	#2117
Hold_Fast Scooby Specialist Member#: 175837 Join Date: Mar 2008 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: Philly Burbs Vehicle: #61 9.5% FP	Thanks for the input on the fuel consumption and the pump guys. I'll do a bit more research and see what the opinion is on the 255 long term.

09-17-2013, 10:35 AM	#2119
mccanixx Scooby Specialist Member#: 60566 Join Date: Apr 2004 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: San Diego, Ca. Vehicle: 2005 XT 5sp, 02 WRX 01 Legacy 95 Impreza L	I think I'll stay in ESP next year. I don't really have the funds for SM so it makes sense to me, for now. I really have a feeling our cars will be reclassed to ASP for 2015. With the change to street tires in stock ESP will be the last, relatively mild, place for the pony cars to play on dot-r's. I'll help them write the letters if they put 02-current wrx on the same line. So for next year I'll buy some lighter wheels and seats. Have a new shortblock built, finally get it retuned. Do some other small stuff and the limited aero crap.

09-17-2013, 10:37 AM	#2120
sureshot007 Scooby Specialist Member#: 142405 Join Date: Mar 2007 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: TeamHazardRally.com Vehicle: #716 Group5 S10	I'm all for the idea, as long as they same line all wrxs. If they split them, it will just be a slaughter for the GD WRXs.

09-18-2013, 03:50 AM	#2121
griceiv Scooby Newbie Member#: 162781 Join Date: Oct 2007	what do the GD's have that the GC's want? ...or is it the other way around?

09-18-2013, 08:08 AM	#2122
sureshot007 Scooby Specialist Member#: 142405 Join Date: Mar 2007 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: TeamHazardRally.com Vehicle: #716 Group5 S10	The GCs have everything the GDs want, except they aren't remotely in the same class. We are talking about GDs and GRs being in the same class, and the GR having a bigger turbo.

09-18-2013, 08:09 AM	#2123
sureshot007 Scooby Specialist Member#: 142405 Join Date: Mar 2007 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: TeamHazardRally.com Vehicle: #716 Group5 S10	double post.

09-18-2013, 11:23 AM	#2125
subydude Scooby Guru Member#: 80649 Join Date: Jan 2005 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Columbia, SC Vehicle: 2000 2.5 Auto-X RSTi Sparkly	Yes, lets put the GC (93-01), GD (02-07), and GR (08-now) on the same line please Can you say early 90's GC with a full GR swap in ASP? I'd wager a good solid 2,600 lbs or even less in SP trim with Evo numbers for power and a drivetrain that should be pretty solid. In reality, putting the GD WRX in ASP means it should go on the same line as the GD/GR STi which basically means the best of breed 02 WRX with dual AVCS/right turbo/good trans & rear end.