Accesstuner Race Updates

[ner947]

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[sense of nature]

Bump .......
HOLY F**K!
The worst thing IMO is if you have already registered & have multiple cars( which I do) you have to buy mutiple copies @ $150 Ea!!!
If your already registered you shouldn't be required to purchase the same "training" twice or again for that matter!
I used to like Cobb, till this Crock of S**t!
Guess it'll b open source from now on!
Thank Gooodness there are still people that aren't trying to rape people for every penny they can!

[Charlie-III]

Originally Posted by sense of nature

Bump .......
HOLY F**K!
The worst thing IMO is if you have already registered & have multiple cars( which I do) you have to buy mutiple copies @ $150 Ea!!!
If your already registered you shouldn't be required to purchase the same "training" twice or again for that matter!
I used to like Cobb, till this Crock of S**t!
Guess it'll b open source from now on!
Thank Gooodness there are still people that aren't trying to rape people for every penny they can!

Have you contacted COBB? I believe they work something out in your case and others in a similar situation.
Try it and see.

[MikeG4936]

Originally Posted by sense of nature

Bump .......
HOLY F**K!
The worst thing IMO is if you have already registered & have multiple cars( which I do) you have to buy mutiple copies @ $150 Ea!!!
If your already registered you shouldn't be required to purchase the same "training" twice or again for that matter!
I used to like Cobb, till this Crock of S**t!
Guess it'll b open source from now on!
Thank Gooodness there are still people that aren't trying to rape people for every penny they can!

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the $150 training is a one-time thing....

[Rancid]

Originally Posted by sense of nature

Bump .......
HOLY F**K!
The worst thing IMO is if you have already registered & have multiple cars( which I do) you have to buy mutiple copies @ $150 Ea!!!
If your already registered you shouldn't be required to purchase the same "training" twice or again for that matter!
I used to like Cobb, till this Crock of S**t!
Guess it'll b open source from now on!
Thank Gooodness there are still people that aren't trying to rape people for every penny they can!

If you can prove you own multiple cars by sending COBB your vehicle registration info, they can get you the additional copies of AT for no money.

[Turbokiwi0420]

Hi I'm very new to all this subi stuff and tuning. I'm trying see if anyone would be willing to help me with this so I can get my car up and running

[Athena_REX]

im in the same boat as you man

[Athena_REX]

i'am buying a 2004 WRX and the guy has a V2 accessport for it but it needs the cable to hook it up. my question is whether i should actually use this V2 or just get a V3 and not even touch the V2 (i'm planning on getting the V3 eventually) im mostly just wondering if the V2 even works anymore since cobb stopped supporting it. so in all, can i still do anything with a V2 accessport?

[Charlie-III]

Originally Posted by Athena_REX

i'am buying a 2004 WRX and the guy has a V2 accessport for it but it needs the cable to hook it up. my question is whether i should actually use this V2 or just get a V3 and not even touch the V2 (i'm planning on getting the V3 eventually) im mostly just wondering if the V2 even works anymore since cobb stopped supporting it. so in all, can i still do anything with a V2 accessport?

I would contact COBB NOW......they may be killing the tradein allowance for V2's to V3's.......I sorta remember reading about it in a recent email from them. Since you are missing the cable, part of your decision is sorta already made.

[lowbee]

Originally Posted by Athena_REX

i'am buying a 2004 WRX and the guy has a V2 accessport for it but it needs the cable to hook it up. my question is whether i should actually use this V2 or just get a V3 and not even touch the V2 (i'm planning on getting the V3 eventually) im mostly just wondering if the V2 even works anymore since cobb stopped supporting it. so in all, can i still do anything with a V2 accessport?

v2 will work for as long as you don't update new firmware or need to load the latest OTS tune from Cobb. I was going to keep my v2 forever because I don't care for the v3 big screen with monitors since I only use the AP once every two years to get a new custom tune loaded. However, when I asked my tuner last year to refresh my tune because I added new hardware, my tuner told me to upgrade to v3 because he doesn't want to deal with v2 anymore as it freeze constantly while tuning. So I took advantage of the trade-in and upgraded to v3.

If you are keeping your existing tune forever or have a tuner who don't mind working with v2 then there is no reason to upgrade to v3 unless you want the big screen with monitors.

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[wrx_huero]

hey guys so I have a quick question about my datalogs. I know its off topic but I don't know what thread to post this on. so I got my car tuned but its reading positive fine knock. I have accesstuner so I can change the tune around. I've upped the primary ignition from the original tune where the positives number are but it still give me positive fine knock even after the fix.pulls are on WOT 3rd gear.
2004 Subaru wrx

[Deathfromabove1944]

Hi, can you set me up with the cheapest easiest way of deleting all the code for my moms 06 forester xt with the air pump delete. You would be man of the year in her book if you had any helpful ideas or directions. Thank you and hope to hear from you!

[04SubaruRex]

[quote=02bugeyew1;45600413]

Originally Posted by machineica

So far i have ATR for 02-03 wrx, 04 Wrx, 05 WRX, 04 Sti and 15 Wrx. If anyone has any other download they wanna share or help distribute let me know
I have an 02 wrx waggon I have been trying to get this software for, any chance you would want to share the version for this year and model?

Hi do you still have the art file for the 2004 wrx? Thank you.

[jautry]

[quote=04SubaruRex;46044878]

Originally Posted by 02bugeyew1

Hi do you still have the art file for the 2004 wrx? Thank you.

I also need the race version for my 04 wrx...i just did tgv delete.

[bobiseverywhere]

[quote=jautry;46049715]

Originally Posted by 04SubaruRex

I also need the race version for my 04 wrx...i just did tgv delete.

I too, recently purchased a used V2 and did a tgv delete for my 04 Fozzy XT to then discover this info about Accesstuner now and there is no way in hell for the little i actually need to do with the unit i as a licenced mechanic am going to pay $150 for an online U-EFI course just to be able to delete some CEL codes. This is some serious BS and i wish i found this issue before purchasing the AP.

Looks like i wasted my cash but there is no way in hell i am supporting this forced "learning course" Looks like it is back to "Open" RomRaider and ECUflash for me and making my own OBDII Cable to USB since i refuse to pay for the overpriced one they suggest.

[jautry]

[quote=bobiseverywhere;46053092]

Originally Posted by jautry

I too, recently purchased a used V2 and did a tgv delete for my 04 Fozzy XT to then discover this info about Accesstuner now and there is no way in hell for the little i actually need to do with the unit i as a licenced mechanic am going to pay $150 for an online U-EFI course just to be able to delete some CEL codes. This is some serious BS and i wish i found this issue before purchasing the AP.

Looks like i wasted my cash but there is no way in hell i am supporting this forced "learning course" Looks like it is back to "Open" RomRaider and ECUflash for me and making my own OBDII Cable to USB since i refuse to pay for the overpriced one they suggest.

I would love to get in on some of that action but I am not that good with programming or wiring

[GlarryHoodDIT]

How have all of you failed at the quote system this hard?

Originally Posted by bobiseverywhere

I too, recently purchased a used V2 and did a tgv delete for my 04 Fozzy XT to then discover this info about Accesstuner now and there is no way in hell for the little i actually need to do with the unit i as a licenced mechanic am going to pay $150 for an online U-EFI course just to be able to delete some CEL codes. This is some serious BS and i wish i found this issue before purchasing the AP.

Looks like i wasted my cash but there is no way in hell i am supporting this forced "learning course" Looks like it is back to "Open" RomRaider and ECUflash for me and making my own OBDII Cable to USB since i refuse to pay for the overpriced one they suggest.

Sounds like you're mad at yourself for not doing cursory research before you wasted your cash.

Do you give your customers this much **** when they try to pay you for the work you've done for them? It sounds like you want everything to be free no matter how much intellectual property it might contain, just curious if you extend this reasoning to your own customers?

[bobiseverywhere]

Originally Posted by GlarryHoodDIT

How have all of you failed at the quote system this hard?



Sounds like you're mad at yourself for not doing cursory research before you wasted your cash.

Do you give your customers this much **** when they try to pay you for the work you've done for them? It sounds like you want everything to be free no matter how much intellectual property it might contain, just curious if you extend this reasoning to your own customers?

Well my cursory research did not expose the issue of the change to ATR. Also claiming that the ability to access and turn off CEL codes as proprietary IP is really not valid. The communication standards protocols are open information that anyone can look up and find out about. Access and reading/writing to the Flash memory on the ECU is also not IP and very open information if you know where to look. My only reason for looking to use the AP was because it would have required a little less work and trouble on my part to achieve something that was a pretty simple task in itself and goal.

In this case you could compare in analogy to what i am wishing to do, be as simple as an oil change for a customers vehicle. As the vendor in my case then would be like charging the customers and extra 25% on the cost of work/goods of the oil change to allow the customer to choice which brand and type oil they wish to have in their car. If they do not pay the additional fee then there is no choice allowed. In that case any customer would be quite irate at charging an additional 25% of the cost just so they could decide what oil they wanted to have applied to their engine.

Edit: I should add that i do spend allot of time diligently researching before purchasing and well unless you start searching very specific cases, you will not discover the ATR issue, since it did happen so long ago now it is not something that will not pop up right away in general information searches about the AP or when looking up a how to remove CEL codes in general and the solutions offered out there.

Even Cobb' own official information page about purchasing an AP does not warn of the case where certain functions of the device are restricted and that you will have to pay an additional fee plus use your time to watch videos and in return be tested and verify having taken an online course to make use of their product.

https://www.cobbtuning.com/buying-a-used-accessport/

[GlarryHoodDIT]

The description on Cobb's own website for Subaru AccessTuner clearly states, "Online training with EFI University is required prior to receiving your unique, licensed copy of Accesstuner. The cost associated with this training is $149 and the transaction will occur with EFI University. Click "Get Accesstuner" for more details."

You seem to be confusing an Accessport, a handheld device, with Accesstuner which is a separate program used to create custom maps. This, again, is because of a lack of cursory research done on your part. There is one person to blame for not understanding (hint: it's you).

[bobiseverywhere]

Originally Posted by GlarryHoodDIT

The description on Cobb's own website for Subaru AccessTuner clearly states, "Online training with EFI University is required prior to receiving your unique, licensed copy of Accesstuner. The cost associated with this training is $149 and the transaction will occur with EFI University. Click "Get Accesstuner" for more details."

You seem to be confusing an Accessport, a handheld device, with Accesstuner which is a separate program used to create custom maps. This, again, is because of a lack of cursory research done on your part. There is one person to blame for not understanding (hint: it's you).

Like i previous said unless you go into specifics you will not find the issue and i am not confusing the two, you can not use one without the other and the point being when searching and looking the subject itself you find the info about the AP and the buying used and warning of license fee's so forth so on, no warning that it has very limited use unless you pay an additional fee to access this other software that with general searches as i stated before people and sites explain use of the access port and it's management software Accesstuner Race, Yes i quoted that correctly. that many places mention is free. Having found multiple sources referring to the same solution providing the same answer it would be easy for one to make the error in purchasing a used Access Port. Especially when you go and verify with the manufacturer of the product using their own information page about acquiring a previous owned AP, where they fail to mention anything about the fact that the advanced user software they now provide for the unit is no longer free and requires further payment. The fact that they left this out seems quite deliberate given the amount of time that has passed since they have made the change and can not be chocked up to an error. The unit itself if no where near worth the money even on the used market for the extremely limited functions you have with it. I am unsure why people are willing to pay $600 USD for a small screen that can clear engine codes and provide some gauges. There are many other solutions out there that will do exactly the same for much less and provide a better option. That is besides the point.

TLDR: Cobb omits any mention of use of the AP with Accesstuner on their own information page, even when warning of things to watch out for as they will cause you to incur extra costs. Cobb makes no mention that the AP and it's software is now restricted requiring more money to be spent.

[GlarryHoodDIT]

You clearly have a problem taking responsibility for your actions, so I'll just leave you to be upset with yourself. Just two more points to consider,

1) The Accessport 100% works independent of Accesstuner and the vast, vast, vast majority of Accessport users do not use Accesstuner to tune their own car. To suggest Accesstuner is necessary for one to use an Accessport is very misleading, if not a flat out lie.

2) You keep talking about doing diligent research then go on about how your general searches didn't show anything. Let this be a lesson to you that general google searches and diligent research are nowhere near the same thing. If you had gone to the Accesstuner page in the first place you would have had all the information you needed. I'll quote it again, just for posterity, directly from Cobb's website, "Online training with EFI University is required prior to receiving your unique, licensed copy of Accesstuner. The cost associated with this training is $149 and the transaction will occur with EFI University. Click "Get Accesstuner" for more details."
https://www.cobbtuning.com/products/...ru-accesstuner - Now you can join your friends from 3 years ago complaining about the same thing.

[Jpjadeed]

I ended up taking the course and getting accesstuner. The class was actually very informative and would probably help some of you newbies to tuning. I am still learning myself, but the course and software was a good investment.

[fanatic26]

Originally Posted by GlarryHoodDIT

You clearly have a problem taking responsibility for your actions, so I'll just leave you to be upset with yourself. Just two more points to consider,

1) The Accessport 100% works independent of Accesstuner and the vast, vast, vast majority of Accessport users do not use Accesstuner to tune their own car. To suggest Accesstuner is necessary for one to use an Accessport is very misleading, if not a flat out lie.

2) You keep talking about doing diligent research then go on about how your general searches didn't show anything. Let this be a lesson to you that general google searches and diligent research are nowhere near the same thing. If you had gone to the Accesstuner page in the first place you would have had all the information you needed. I'll quote it again, just for posterity, directly from Cobb's website, "Online training with EFI University is required prior to receiving your unique, licensed copy of Accesstuner. The cost associated with this training is $149 and the transaction will occur with EFI University. Click "Get Accesstuner" for more details."
https://www.cobbtuning.com/products/...ru-accesstuner - Now you can join your friends from 3 years ago complaining about the same thing.

1. To defend a company the makes this change mid product cycle and starts charging more to use the device to its full capabilities after tens of thousands of people have already purchased the product makes no sense. The fact that they didnt warn anyone is even shadier. Id bet the title of my STi they have some secret kick back on the training. A cash grab is a cash grab.

2. When you purchase an Accessport, they DO NOT TELL YOU of the associated charges. The only thing on the entire accessport page relating to the training is this line:

"For customers interested in doing that themselves, completing a training course will be required prior to downloading the software."

Nowhere does it say this is a paid course when purchasing the product which is shady as hell. Also, faulting people for not doing their due diligence on this is ridiculous. This was a product that was free for years, nobody would expect them to stab their customers in the back like this, yet you assign blame to the consumer.

3. You just sound like a total condescending ass hole hiding behind your keyboard and someone should call you out on it so ill be that guy. Maybe you are just a Cobb shill, who knows?

[Innkeepr]

Originally Posted by fanatic26

1. A cash grab is a cash grab.

2. When you purchase an Accessport, they DO NOT TELL YOU of the associated charges. The only thing on the entire accessport page relating to the training is this line:

"For customers interested in doing that themselves, completing a training course will be required prior to downloading the software."

Nowhere does it say this is a paid course when purchasing the product which is shady as hell. Also, faulting people for not doing their due diligence on this is ridiculous. This was a product that was free for years, nobody would expect them to stab their customers in the back like this, yet you assign blame to the consumer.

I agree. We have been using opensource via tactrix for years. Bought the AP on black Friday - only to find out I cant make new tunes as I wanted. I should have done more research first - $600 bucks for a data logger pfft. Worse is that I was told I could make my own tune as the program WAS free. Should have asked Cobb before I purchased, as another tuner had the free download a few years back and wrongly assumed it was still available at no charge.

So, do I return it now as I have no use for it and stick with tuning via opensource/romraider ? or do I shell out another 150 bones for a 1 time license ? This experience has me second guessing using Cobb products for future builds.

[Rancid]

Originally Posted by Innkeepr

I agree. We have been using opensource via tactrix for years. Bought the AP on black Friday - only to find out I cant make new tunes as I wanted. I should have done more research first - $600 bucks for a data logger pfft. Worse is that I was told I could make my own tune as the program WAS free. Should have asked Cobb before I purchased, as another tuner had the free download a few years back and wrongly assumed it was still available at no charge.

So, do I return it now as I have no use for it and stick with tuning via opensource/romraider ? or do I shell out another 150 bones for a 1 time license ? This experience has me second guessing using Cobb products for future builds.

If you take the course once, you can email COBB proof you own future cars and get a download link without paying to take the course again.