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Old 08-15-2013, 08:16 AM   #251
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Again, Barrett Jackson is not about representing classics, they are about putting cars in a spotlight to generate more desireability than actually exists. They are a carnival side show. All the boutique auctions are for making the auctions owners rich, they do not fully represent the car values in the real world outside of the lights and big tent.

And, yes, at those auctions trucks are coming in vougue right now. It has been happening for about 10 years now. But BJ is not the litmus test of the real value. An idiot overpays for a car/truck and the next day the restoration shops scramble to restore another since the 'percieved' value is hot. There is money to be had. They will chase it and promote it.

Just like the current crop of unrestored barn finds that are rusted and not running with a half inch of dirt on them being 'uber valuable' because 'they are only original once'. That is the biggest scam on earth. Buy a car for next to nothing that that has been neglected for 40 years and is not running and call it orginal, unmolested and now it is worth more than a pristine frame off restoration.

What a crock.

Values for classic trucks are coming up, but trucks to me are an outlier. At the end of the day they are not expected to perform, like we think of muscle car and sports cars. The old Chevy C10 is still in essence a work truck. BAre bones, and purely functional. Probably drives horribly. But since it is a truck, if in good shape, SHOULD be worth something! Trucks tend to hold value as if they have an engine and a bed they are still a useful tool.

As the popularity of todays trucks goes up, the classic trucks tend to follow suit. At least that is my theory. I may be totally wrong.

you go ahead and invest in an F-150, good luck to you.
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Old 08-15-2013, 08:42 AM   #252
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Again, Barrett Jackson is not about representing classics, they are about putting cars in a spotlight to generate more desireability than actually exists. They are a carnival side show. All the boutique auctions are for making the auctions owners rich, they do not fully represent the car values in the real world outside of the lights and big tent.
Yep! Worked the first 6 Barrett Jackson Auctions for TV. Watched it go from a semi legitimate auction to a pure TV sideshow. There are still great buys to be had, but you won't see them on TV. They tended to happen early each day like 2 or 3pm. An example being, I remember in 1993 a 1986 BMW(not a 3 series) was driven down from Scottdale and sold for just over $1000.
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Old 08-15-2013, 09:15 AM   #253
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AMEN buddy, and it is awesome that you were there. I am jealous, I want to go, but I want to go on Wed/Thrusday

There are some crazy deals to be had!

I saw a fully restored Chevy pickup, with a beautiful bed, a new ZZ4 crate engine and an interior and paint you could show at pebble beach. Clearly a labor of love. Hammer fell for 9800 dollars.

The Paint alone was that much!!!!

Still it is about the circus mentality now
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click on the play button at the timeline

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Old 08-15-2013, 10:33 AM   #255
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Great googly moogly.
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Tease..........
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Tease away, looking good from what I can tell.
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300hp....or 280 in the US is more than enough for me.
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Looks really good, but it also looks basically just like the one I have right now.

It would be hard to go back into more debt for this one over the one I currently have. I do really like the look. Very restrained and executive feeling for a hatch. That is what I love about the Golf R. It is like Clark Kent. Business on the outside, superhero on the inside.

The other analogy I like to make is between the STI and Golf R. The STI is Rocky Balboa, the R is Apollo Creed. In a straight up fight, the STI will win, but the Golf R is more polished and professional. This one looks to carry the same subdued aggression.
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These are the older spy shots right? The newer ones use the GTI's body and because of that I tend to think that the R will take a more aggressive stance. I think that VW has heard the critics (on YouTube we can see atleast half a dozen), and has to respond to that. The new R will borrow more from the new S3 to close the performance gap with itself and its competitors.
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Looks really good, but it also looks basically just like the one I have right now.

It would be hard to go back into more debt for this one over the one I currently have. I do really like the look. Very restrained and executive feeling for a hatch. That is what I love about the Golf R. It is like Clark Kent. Business on the outside, superhero on the inside.

The other analogy I like to make is between the STI and Golf R. The STI is Rocky Balboa, the R is Apollo Creed. In a straight up fight, the STI will win, but the Golf R is more polished and professional. This one looks to carry the same subdued aggression.
If the new STI is better than the new R in every way then they can have my money but if the R takes a win in some areas then I will make the switch to VW.
Scrappy I love the story of Rocky and his rise from obscurity; but I tend to place that badge on the Golf R. The STI has already established itself as a contender and the R in its infancy is truly like the Italian stallion who is willing to challenge the well established Creeds (EVO and STI).
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These are the older spy shots right? The newer ones use the GTI's body and because of that I tend to think that the R will take a more aggressive stance. I think that VW has heard the critics (on YouTube we can see atleast half a dozen), and has to respond to that. The new R will borrow more from the new S3 to close the performance gap with itself and its competitors.
they "sell" them like new ones, but I think you´re correct.
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Looks really good, but it also looks basically just like the one I have right now.

It would be hard to go back into more debt for this one over the one I currently have.
More power is always good, I would buy the current one, but I have got to try the new one. Can't wait to test drive it!
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will it finally have fully defeatable traction control soo it can be flogged around like it should be??
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will it finally have fully defeatable traction control soo it can be flogged around like it should be??
That's not officially known yet but all signs point to yes, also lets remember that traction control was only always on, with the US model....Europeans got to turn theirs off.
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There is a 30 minute fix for the TCS on the R. You can fully defeat it with a cable and a computer. With a code change we get the european settings. They are already in the car, you just have to allow the computer to use them. Very peculiar.
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There is a 30 minute fix for the TCS on the R. You can fully defeat it with a cable and a computer. With a code change we get the european settings. They are already in the car, you just have to allow the computer to use them. Very peculiar.
Scrappy you turned yours off right?
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nope, I am too cheap to buy a cable.

Plus I have never seen it come on in the dry. One time in the wet. IT really is not that big a deal. How often do you push your car into a 4 wheel drift commuting to work?

I have not had the R on the track yet, so maybe it would be bad there, but in spirited street driving, not even once in the dry.

People have watched that EVO vs Golf R video too many times. It is really nothing that interferes on a daily basis what so ever.
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nope, I am too cheap to buy a cable.

Plus I have never seen it come on in the dry. One time in the wet. IT really is not that big a deal. How often do you push your car into a 4 wheel drift commuting to work?

I have not had the R on the track yet, so maybe it would be bad there, but in spirited street driving, not even once in the dry.

People have watched that EVO vs Golf R video too many times. It is really nothing that interferes on a daily basis what so ever.
It's not just that video. There's a Motor Trend review on YouTube where the reviewer (Carlos Lago, I think) bemoans the "inability" to turn it off.

For me, unless it's absolutely intrusive in everyday situations (such as taking an on-ramp at a brisk pace), I don't see the big deal either.

I suppose that if I autocrossed my car, it might get annoying, but then again, if I was an avid autocrosser, I probably wouldn't buy a heavy German hatch with luxurious leather seats; I'd buy a used Miata.
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nope, I am too cheap to buy a cable.

Plus I have never seen it come on in the dry. One time in the wet. IT really is not that big a deal. How often do you push your car into a 4 wheel drift commuting to work?

I have not had the R on the track yet, so maybe it would be bad there, but in spirited street driving, not even once in the dry.

People have watched that EVO vs Golf R video too many times. It is really nothing that interferes on a daily basis what so ever.
Yea I don't hit the track at all so mainly my cars serve as commuting machines, therefore I'm like you I would never need to turn off any type of traction control. Those magazines love to alarm the public in order to sell more sheets, but I think that VW none the less will make a sportier model in response to their criticism.
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It's not just that video. There's a Motor Trend review on YouTube where the reviewer (Carlos Lago, I think) bemoans the "inability" to turn it off.

For me, unless it's absolutely intrusive in everyday situations (such as taking an on-ramp at a brisk pace), I don't see the big deal either.

I suppose that if I autocrossed my car, it might get annoying, but then again, if I was an avid autocrosser, I probably wouldn't buy a heavy German hatch with luxurious leather seats; I'd buy a used Miata.
He tends to exaggerate just like the rest of them....but he's gotta sell those sheets of paper.
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He tends to exaggerate just like the rest of them....but he's gotta sell those sheets of paper.
No kidding. American car mag reviews are worthless for anything but the spec charts.
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Hmmm....looks pretty official but missing the fogs(although I think that the fogs maybe an add on).

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