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Old 09-07-2013, 11:20 AM   #401
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I will definitely test drive a GTI before I buy another R. THe reviews are just glowing for the new VW GTI
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Old 09-07-2013, 01:40 PM   #402
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The new GTI seems fantastic. A real LSD with the performance package and 200lbs weight reduction FTW.
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Old 09-07-2013, 09:18 PM   #403
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The new GTI seems fantastic. A real LSD with the performance package and 200lbs weight reduction FTW.
...assuming they bestow upon us this glorious LSD. They *could* screw the US and not even offer it as an option here.
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Old 09-07-2013, 09:30 PM   #404
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I will definitely test drive a GTI before I buy another R. THe reviews are just glowing for the new VW GTI
Yea I can respect that, why buy a R if a GTI is nearly as fun for much less.

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...assuming they bestow upon us this glorious LSD. They *could* screw the US and not even offer it as an option here.
They could shaft us, and I'm not sure if the specs for the US is confirmed yet. Seems strange at this point that in a few months ROW will be ordinf their R's and we don't even have Golf or GTI confirmed numbers.
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Old 09-07-2013, 09:31 PM   #405
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Can someone chop the GTI/GTD bumper onto the R, please?




Thinking that this might be the way I go.
Torquemada I know you're lurking, please make something happen.
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Old 09-08-2013, 01:13 AM   #406
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first, I am too dumb for photoshop (the R fakes arenīt my work),
and second, I am too dumb to see a difference between a GTI and a R with a chopped GTI bumper.
Same fenders, same hood, look at a GTI and think about the R-engine inside

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Old 09-08-2013, 05:07 AM   #407
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Lol....yea wasn't too sure how differently they lined up. Thanks for the insight none the less, I will keep my imagination working until something more tangible appears. Maybe I'll try Vortex.


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Old 09-08-2013, 04:54 PM   #408
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Thanks to Gima from vortex:

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again, I fail to see the difference; change the badges and call it a day
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Old 09-09-2013, 09:47 AM   #410
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Although plain, the front end of that new R is starting to grow on me.
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This is the current front end
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Old 09-09-2013, 03:48 PM   #412
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Prefer the current one then...hmmm.

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I'd consider a CPO current-gen R as my next car... regardless of how good the next one is.

Looks-wise, it's a wash. Both look suitably purposeful and mature, without being overtly aggressive.

Edit: Just did a search for CPO current-gen Rs.

The price range is $30-$34K.

At that price, it might be more prudent to just get a new one... especially if the lower the price of the next generation. Then again, if they do lower the price of the next generation, there is NO WAY VW will be able to justify $30-$34K for used examples.

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Old 09-09-2013, 05:33 PM   #414
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shoot,I should sell mine quickly!
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Although plain, the front end of that new R is starting to grow on me.
Well I think that we may be able to swap bumpers in the future then, if u get a GTI.
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Yea I can respect that, why buy a R if a GTI is nearly as fun for much less.
Why buy an STI if a BRZ is so much less but just as fun? It is just a preference thing. The GTI is great, but no matter how trick the diff is, its still front wheel drive. There will always be merits and downfalls to FWD. The R will likely use most/all of the same tricks as the GTI but just better/more. I see nothing wrong with this. Same interior but great quality. Faster, bigger turbo, and the K04 has been doing wonders in the tuning world.

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They could shaft us, and I'm not sure if the specs for the US is confirmed yet. Seems strange at this point that in a few months ROW will be ordinf their R's and we don't even have Golf or GTI confirmed numbers.
It has already been confirmed that the NA will get the performance pack. It is also said that NA will likely get the R at the same time as the GTI next year rather than the 4 year cycle like we have seen up until now.
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I didn't see this posted anywhere but I just did a quick scan. I think it looks pretty damn good.

http://www.vwvortex.com/news/volkswa...d-information/
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I didn't see this posted anywhere but I just did a quick scan. I think it looks pretty damn good.

http://www.vwvortex.com/news/volkswa...d-information/
I would buy that car.
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Old 09-10-2013, 04:10 AM   #419
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I didn't see this posted anywhere but I just did a quick scan. I think it looks pretty damn good.

http://www.vwvortex.com/news/volkswa...d-information/
Want. Wouldn't spend the money on it, but would very happily own one if it was given to me.
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Why buy an STI if a BRZ is so much less but just as fun? It is just a preference thing. The GTI is great, but no matter how trick the diff is, its still front wheel drive. There will always be merits and downfalls to FWD. The R will likely use most/all of the same tricks as the GTI but just better/more. I see nothing wrong with this. Same interior but great quality. Faster, bigger turbo, and the K04 has been doing wonders in the tuning world.


It has already been confirmed that the NA will get the performance pack. It is also said that NA will likely get the R at the same time as the GTI next year rather than the 4 year cycle like we have seen up until now.
Well to me it's more along the lines of someone that wants to buy a WRX instead of an STI, some ppl just can't really justify paying more for a car that's not significantly better. The GTI will get alot more sales because of how capable it is already and the R will sell predominantly to enthusiasts that want something more.


I wasn't really sure what was confirmed and what was not....but I did read a few articles that did state all that you've stated.
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Well to me it's more along the lines of someone that wants to buy a WRX instead of an STI, some ppl just can't really justify paying more for a car that's not significantly better. The GTI will get alot more sales because of how capable it is already and the R will sell predominantly to enthusiasts that want something more.

I wasn't really sure what was confirmed and what was not....but I did read a few articles that did state all that you've stated.
I disagree. In the wrx vs sti case they are both making the same power and are both awd etc etc. However in the gti/R case one makes significantly less power and is FWD. That's a pretty huge difference. I think it's hilarious when people think the gti is a great performance car, but I do respect the R.
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I am not sure we will get all the adjustable suspension and transmission stuff. If we do not get the DSG (which would be a huge mistake) we will probably not get the adjustable race or sport mode. I bet the US version will be decontented but the question is how much.
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Um, the GTI may not be a great performance car akin to a McLaren, but the GTI is a splendid drivers car. It does just about everything well and while not the fastest in any one catagory, it is competitive in all of them, at the same time it has class leading interior, and fit and finish.

The GTI is a great little car. Look 7 generations of fans cannot be all wrong. Just like Subaru fans, VW's have fans for reasons, they are really good cars.
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I disagree. In the wrx vs sti case they are both making the same power and are both awd etc etc. However in the gti/R case one makes significantly less power and is FWD. That's a pretty huge difference. I think it's hilarious when people think the gti is a great performance car, but I do respect the R.
Awd vs fwd....smh, I can't go a day without reading a post that infers Awd>fwd. Anyhow.....The WRX and STI are not as close as WRX buyers would like us to believe, there's still a gap between the two. There are still good reasons to buy a STI over a WRX; and the same could be said about the R over the GTI; but to each their own. Also, like scrappy said, 7 generations in and it's still sought after. The GTI isn't some lame duck, hp numbers keep going up and the GTI sti maintains its driving dynamics. In the end I recognize there is a difference but certainly not huge enough to make the R hands down the better buy. I will test drive both.
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Look nobody NEEDS an R or an STI, but the 'must have more' gene in car buyers wants us to strive for all we can have. All we all NEED is a FWD corolla, but that would not make us enthsiasts. The GTI and WRX are all anybody realliy NEEDS as a performance car goes. But to offer a top teir item, is a treat that can be had if you are willing to pay for them.

The arguement that a STI is not 8k dollars more car (I have made that argument) than a WRX is a personal assessment that each of us has to make. It is not a hard in stone truth. Some said the R is just a tarted up GTI, and it is. It is the most uber GTI you can buy. Some say it is not worth teh extra price, and that may be true. To me it was. A loaded GTI is about 31. A loaded R is about 36. For 5 grand you get a lot of goodies.

Still, each person has to take stock of how they actually drive and buy the car that they can afford that suits their actual needs. I have said this many times, but it is always true.

You should buy the car for the driving you actually do, not the driving you want everybody else to THINK you do.
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