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Old 10-10-2017, 11:38 AM   #76
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I wish Honda would just put the dual-axis front suspension from the CTR into all of their cars and bring the brand back to the glory days of having the best suspensions in every class. I'd be pre-ordering this 2.0T Accord Sport if it had a few more CTR mechanicals.
Previous V6 vs new 2.0T

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Old 10-10-2017, 12:25 PM   #77
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Previous V6 vs new 2.0T

(should start at 5 minutes 55 seconds)

Would have like to see how it does against the tlx with a v6 and 9 speed.

Does the the accorrd 2.0t make their hp/torque numbers on premium fuel even though it runs on regular like the civic hp numbers?
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Old 10-10-2017, 01:04 PM   #78
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That is another good looking option out there. If only it was a liftback like the Audi A5 sportback.
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Old 10-10-2017, 09:47 PM   #79
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It'll hold several surfboards and get me to the beach in a hurry. So, if there's no wagon resurgence, at least lift-backs can get the job done.

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Old 10-10-2017, 09:55 PM   #80
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The S5 liftback is on the shortlist.
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fter our first exposure to the all-new 2018 Honda Accord, it was clear the inherent goodness that has landed the model on our 10Best Cars list a record 31 times not only remained intact but was elevated. With the latest Accord’s integrity confirmed, we now turn to even deeper exposures—including visits to the test track—with the various models in the lineup. First up: a top-spec Touring with a turbocharged 2.0-liter inline-four and a 10-speed automatic transmission.


HIGHS
Spacious and comfortable cabin, torquey turbo four, revised infotainment setup.


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Price of Touring trim approaches European rivals’, new turbo four achieved no better real-world highway fuel economy than the previous V-6.
Loaded from the Start


The 2018 Accord Touring 2.0T represents the kitchen-sink approach to car buying: By opting for the Touring—at the top of the Accord lineup—you get the larger engine and 10-speed automatic transmission, adaptive dampers, and 19-inch wheels shod with 235/40R-19 Michelin Primacy MXM4 tires. Additional standard features include leather upholstery, a 12-way power-adjustable driver’s seat, heated and ventilated front seats and heated outboard rear seats, a head-up display, rain-sensing wipers, wireless phone charging, near-field device communication, and mobile Wi-Fi hotspot capability. Given that list of goods, it’s clear this Accord has some serious aspirations.

There’s a warm, cohesive quality to the Touring’s interior thanks to the neutral tones, attractive faux-wood trim, and quality materials. Attention to detail abounds, from the way the knurled metal knobs for the climate-control and infotainment systems travel through their detents to the brilliant colors of the low-glare, hi-res center display—taken together, these items give off the vibe of a high-end electronic component. The simplicity of the layout plays a part, too, as the 2018 Accord marks the arrival of a streamlined and easier-to-use infotainment system that once again incorporates traditional volume and tuning knobs. Drivers of all shapes and sizes will find it easy to arrive at the perfect seating position, and those on the larger end of the spectrum will welcome the surplus of head and shoulder room despite the presence of a sunroof. In that respect, it has a leg up on the 2018 Toyota Camry, in which the same drivers complained that the B-pillar and sunroof infringed on their personal space. The tilting and telescoping steering wheel and well-placed pedals add to an impression that the car was designed from the driver’s seat out.

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As Honda fans are likely aware, the turbocharged 2.0-liter in the Accord is a lower-output version of the 306-hp beast found in the Civic Type R. (Read more details on the two engines here.) Detuned to a still respectable 252 horsepower and 273 lb-ft of torque for Accord duty, the inline-four moves the sedan with authority. Full grunt is available at a low 1500 rpm, and the transmission wastes no time in downshifting to meet it at the sweet spot. Tire squeal is available on demand from a stop or a slow roll—and with only the faintest whiff of torque steer. Pushing the Sport button on the console triggers more aggressive throttle and transmission mapping, firms up the adaptive dampers, and quickens the response of the variable-ratio electrically assisted power steering. Especially in this mode the Accord becomes an ideal urban companion in the fight against boring commutes, the 10-speed downshifting intuitively when braking for corners and upshifting transparently under acceleration.

Instrumented analysis at the test track revealed a 5.5-second zero-to-60-mph time and a 14.1-second quarter-mile with a trap speed of 102 mph. To put those numbers in perspective, both are 0.1 second quicker than those of the last-generation (and now-departed) Accord coupe V-6 with a six-speed automatic. It also blows away the Accord’s longtime nemesis, the Camry, as a 268-hp 2017 V-6 XSE example of that Toyota lagged behind this Honda to 60 mph by 0.6 second and to the quarter-mile mark by 0.5 second. The 301-hp elephant in the room, however, is the all-new 2018 Camry V-6; expect a closer race when we get an opportunity to strap our test gear to one of those.

Ostensibly, Honda opted for the 2.0-liter turbo for reasons of fuel economy, not performance, but the company expects the new Accord Touring’s EPA ratings to come in at only 22 mpg city and 32 mpg highway (versus the 1.5-liter’s 30/38-mpg EPA estimates with the CVT). That’s comparable with the best ratings for last year’s V-6 model, which were 21 mpg city and 33 highway. Indeed, in our highway fuel-economy loop running a steady 75 mph, the new car achieved 35 mpg, which is precisely what the last V-6–powered Accord managed.

Braking performance is par for the class, with the Accord Touring 2.0T consuming 170 feet to stop from 70 mph. That’s an improvement over the 178 feet required by the 2017 Accord sedan with the four-cylinder and continuously variable automatic (CVT) powertrain and just a smidge better than the 172-foot distance of a 2016 Accord coupe V-6. The last Mazda 6 we tested required 175 feet; a 2018 Camry SE with a 2.5-liter inline-four also required 175 feet. While brake feel underfoot is not its best quality, pedal travel and performance is consistent whether leaning on it hard or lightly scrubbing off speed. Grip is largely the same story, the Accord measuring 0.88 g on our skidpad while exhibiting only mild understeer. What the numbers don’t relate is the Honda’s precise turn-in, fluid directional changes, and level cornering that make it such a pleasure to drive.

The Price of Power
While the $36,675 base MSRP of the top-trim 2.0T 10-speed Accord Touring tested here is only $805 more than that of the previous-generation Accord Touring, it also approaches the points where the 2018 BMW 320i ($35,895 to start) and the 2018 Audi A4 ($36,075) begin. That said, the Accord Touring’s biggest competition comes from within. If you don’t mind giving up leather, navigation, and a few other niceties, you can snag an Accord Sport 2.0T for $31,185 with your choice of either the 10-speed auto or—our choice—the six-speed manual. Buyers looking to save even more can step down to an Accord with the turbocharged 1.5-liter inline-four, which starts at $24,445 for the LX and peaks at $34,675 for the Touring. The sweet spot there again is the Sport, which pairs the 1.5T with the six-speed manual for $26,655. The manual is available as a no-cost option on the Sport; all other 1.5-liter Accords come paired with a CVT.

Judged by the numbers and its driving engagement, the 2018 Accord carries on the nameplate’s tradition of being affixed to a holistically developed, honest, and fun family vehicle. That’s impressive at any price.


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VEHICLE TYPE: front-engine, front-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan

PRICE AS TESTED: $36,675 (base price: $31,185)

ENGINE TYPE: turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 16-valve inline-4, aluminum block and head, direct fuel injection

DISPLACEMENT: 122 cu in, 1996 cc
POWER: 252 hp @ 6500 rpm
TORQUE: 273 lb-ft @ 1500 rpm

TRANSMISSION: 10-speed automatic with manual shifting mode

DIMENSIONS:
WHEELBASE: 111.4 in
LENGTH: 192.2 in
WIDTH: 73.3 in HEIGHT: 57.1 in
PASSENGER VOLUME: 103 cu ft
TRUNK VOLUME: 17 cu ft
CURB WEIGHT: 3419 lb

C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 5.5 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 13.6 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 20.9 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.1 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.4 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 4.4 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.1 sec @ 102 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 126 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 170 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad*: 0.88 g

*stability-control-inhibited

C/D FUEL ECONOMY:
Observed: 24 mpg
75-mph highway driving: 35 mpg
Highway range: 510 miles

EPA FUEL ECONOMY (MFR'S EST):
City/highway: 22/32 mpg
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Old 10-14-2017, 07:54 AM   #82
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Old 10-15-2017, 11:38 AM   #83
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A loaded out Accord for $36,675 seems a bit expensive, no?
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Old 10-15-2017, 11:41 AM   #84
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A loaded out Accord for $36,675 seems a bit expensive, no?
I think the 301 hp V6 Camry gets up to ~$37K.
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Old 10-15-2017, 12:42 PM   #85
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A loaded out Accord for $36,675 seems a bit expensive, no?
What are you comparing it to? Seems ballpark for a very well equipped family car. I'd take a 2.0/6mt accord over alot of entry level premium sedans.

My major gripes with the previous gen accord was that you could only get the sport/mt with the wimpy motor and the dual screen radio really sucked with no viable upgrade path. Seems like everything has been addressed in this gen. If I was in the market right now, an accord would be near the top of my list. Feels wierd to say.
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Old 10-15-2017, 02:21 PM   #86
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Basically that I could never justify spending 36k on a Honda Accord haha
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Old 10-15-2017, 02:50 PM   #87
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Yeah, nobody would ever pay over $20k for a 150hp Impreza.
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Old 10-15-2017, 04:00 PM   #88
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Yeah, nobody would ever pay over $20k for a 150hp Impreza.


Has nothing to do with the horsepower. I just couldn’t fathom buying a midsize Honda for 36k. Isn’t 36k BMW or Audi territory?

Oh, and you do realize that only the base Impreza is under 20k, right? So what are you talking about?
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I'm just differentiating the 2.0i from the WRX.

An A6 starts at $47,600. A 5 series starts at $51,200. I guess it's shocking if you haven't looked at prices in a decade.


What do you mean what am I talking about?
The base price of the Accord is $24,445. Are you talking base prices or fully loaded?


Edit: You can get an Impreza up to $34,146 without touching the Thule accessories available at the dealership.




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Old 10-15-2017, 05:53 PM   #90
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As someone who works on these cars, having them ditch the 6 would be a great move. A v6 is pointless now that they can conquer emissions with more effective EM and still make more than enough power. They will always have problems here and there but working on a four with more room is always welcome over a v6. Plus the swap people will now have usdm turbo donor cars in salvage yards.
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Old 10-16-2017, 08:36 PM   #91
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Basically that I could never justify spending 36k on a Honda Accord haha
For the same price you could an Acura ILX A-spec which is a lot less car for the money. The Accord is the best buy in the Honda/Acura lineup as it is considerably better value than the TLX, ILX or RLX and much better built than the Civic which is a pretty low quality car IMO.
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As much as I want to hate these cars, they are pretty good looking in person. Minus the slightly sunken in 19s that could stand to be another inch or so wider. The touring model for 35k is really nicely equipped tbh, and the sport model can be had for about 10k less.
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Basically that I could never justify spending 36k on a Honda Accord haha
Then don't. Cars are getting expensive, there's no two ways about it. I always thought $33k was a lot to spend on an Accord, but I see Touring Accords all of the time. I can't say those people are wrong for their choice, it's a nice car.

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As much as I want to hate these cars, they are pretty good looking in person. Minus the slightly sunken in 19s that could stand to be another inch or so wider. The touring model for 35k is really nicely equipped tbh, and the sport model can be had for about 10k less.
My coworker went and saw 3 of them this weekend and thought they looked great as well. If it were a lift back and had an LSD with the 2.0/manual, I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
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Inflation makes them feel more expensive. a 2006 EX-L V6 was $26,850 which would be the equivalent of almost $35k today.
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Inflation makes them feel more expensive. a 2006 EX-L V6 was $26,850 which would be the equivalent of almost $35k today.
But everything costs more to manufacturer now...

I'm looking at a 2014/2015 Accord since I don't want to drop $30k+ on a brand new one nor do I care for the looks of the '18s.
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But everything costs more to manufacturer now...

I'm looking at a 2014/2015 Accord since I don't want to drop $30k+ on a brand new one nor do I care for the looks of the '18s.
Or, or - wait until the 2019's are slated to come out, and get a 2018 at somewhere around 20% off sticker.
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Or, or - wait until the 2019's are slated to come out, and get a 2018 at somewhere around 20% off sticker.
Yeah... no thanks.

I'm ready to trade my WRX in now
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Yeah... no thanks.

I'm ready to trade my WRX in now
I'd wait the year to avoid the AV in the 14-15 models. Terrible...like almost as bad as Subaru terrible. The new Honda stuff is very nice.
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The 2.0T Accord is on my shortlist for my next car. Still think I'd rather have a GTI though.
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The 2.0T Accord is on my shortlist for my next car. Still think I'd rather have a GTI though.
Just get both, you'll need the Accord when the GTI is having issues.
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