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Old 04-07-2011, 01:34 PM   #2526
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You know what, I wasn't going to jump into this but screw that.

The Tree,

Don't solicit opinions if you are just going to crap on the feedback that's given. You get major props for being dedicated to dropping the weight. I know the battle, I dropped 65lbs two years ago. I'll take that wager though, if you want to roll on the work ethic thing. I would bet I'm on the upper end of the people here with the number of training hours spent each week.

Lose the attitude, sit back and take in the advice. You might learn something. Your body is not going to adapt in 30 days to meet the goals you have stated. Like TL said, whatever you decide to do stick to it for at least 3 months. Your proposed plan is a guaranteed way of getting hurt.

Don't listen to me, strength training is only a small part of my training.
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Old 04-07-2011, 01:59 PM   #2527
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The easiest way to handle someone like you is to shuffle them off to CrossFit. Hell, you don't even know what 'heavy' means. Educate yourself. Don't expect others to spoon feed you.
First of all, the EASIEST solution isn't always the RIGHT solution. secondly heavy to me means max effot, 100%. is that what lou meant? i didn't know, I had to ask for clarification. it's a question, and a valid one at that.

Lets play a game Tim, I am going to take you to a world you know almost nothing about, if you ask a question you get yelled at by the old guy who has doen the job forever and knows it like the back of his hand. and the rest of the peopel answer the questions pretty half assed to the point were you don't know if they are serious or not. and in between all of that you have 1-2 co workers that do know and want to help. and even after the good avice comes in, the old guy yells at you telling you that it could of been found by reaidng the encylopedia britanica over ther ein the corner, even though it is a personal question that is personalized to you he wants to generalize it as best he can and make you feel small.

That old guy is kind of a douche isn't he, Tim.
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solicit opinions if you are just going to crap on the feedback that's given.
I didn't do that, i challenge you to find were I did that, I asked a question, and when I got a serious answer I took the advice, thanked them for it, and will use that advice. again...serious answer. not old guy yelling that it's stupid and wrong with generalized, and bad, advice.
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Good for you, keep up the good work!
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sit bck and take in the advice.
as I did...
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as I did...
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Your body is not going to adapt in 30 days to meet the goals you have stated.
it's a year long goal, the whole "mission" started as a 3 year long goal. the 30 day thing was to see if I could work it into my daily life, with Lou's workout I easily can, i thanked him for his help,l and will be using it for the next 6 months minimum to see how I do.
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Like TL said, whatever you decide to do stick to it for at least 3 months. Your proposed plan is a guaranteed way of getting hurt.
as I did, and posted I did, and posted i thanked him for his advice.
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Old 04-07-2011, 02:08 PM   #2528
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I'd assume Lou didn't include warm up sets but they are still to be done, don't leave them out to save time.
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Non Tree related:

Does anyone else foam roll for a warmup?

I regularly roll my Tbands, hip flexors and quads, and try to do my back, but the upper back is problematic - can't get in deep enough with the shoulder blades in the way. I don't roll lats or chest or calves.

I have a lacrosse ball in gym bag, but unless I have a spasm or a real problem, I don't break that out. I'm a masochist, but not insane. Sitting your piriformis on a lacrosse ball? I'd rather have a lacrosse player hit me in the nuts with it......That HURTS.

I found as I do it more, I am more addicted to it - for instance, tonite is leg-plyo night. I will roll out my legs before and after, probably a total of 30mins - 20 before 10 after.

If I DON'T foam roll before a leg workout, esp. a plyo, I feel like I am not getting the same benefits, but then it might be mental.

Anyone else addicted to it?

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Does anyone else foam roll for a warmup?

I regularly roll my Tbands, hip flexors and quads, and try to do my back, but the upper back is problematic - can't get in deep enough with the shoulder blades in the way. I don't roll lats or chest or calves.

I have a lacrosse ball in gym bag, but unless I have a spasm or a real problem, I don't break that out. I'm a masochist, but not insane. Sitting your piriformis on a lacrosse ball? I'd rather have a lacrosse player hit me in the nuts with it......That HURTS.

I found as I do it more, I am more addicted to it - for instance, tonite is leg-plyo night. I will roll out my legs before and after, probably a total of 30mins - 20 before 10 after.

If I DON'T foam roll before a leg workout, esp. a plyo, I feel like I am not getting the same benefits, but then it might be mental.

Anyone else addicted to it?

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Foam roll for the win! Even on off days its a good idea. Foam rolling is good for the lats, pecs, and even shoulders. To try and hit your upper back better, rotate the foam roller so it is lengthwise along your body, lay on it with the roller in the middle of your back, and move around to try and isolate those spots. A tennis ball call also help. If you're using a lacrosse ball, try placing it between you and a wall. You'll drop it a couple times, but you can get some good work done this way.
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I foam roll after my workouts pretty regularly. It's been critical lately for dealing with my hamstrings and hips.
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Love foam roller and the pain ball. It helps with my upper back to fold your arms all the way across your chest to open up your scapulae and get the roller in on your spine.
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First of all, the EASIEST solution isn't always the RIGHT solution. secondly heavy to me means max effot, 100%. is that what lou meant? i didn't know, I had to ask for clarification. it's a question, and a valid one at that.

Lets play a game Tim, I am going to take you to a world you know almost nothing about, if you ask a question you get yelled at by the old guy who has doen the job forever and knows it like the back of his hand. and the rest of the peopel answer the questions pretty half assed to the point were you don't know if they are serious or not. and in between all of that you have 1-2 co workers that do know and want to help. and even after the good avice comes in, the old guy yells at you telling you that it could of been found by reaidng the encylopedia britanica over ther ein the corner, even though it is a personal question that is personalized to you he wants to generalize it as best he can and make you feel small.

That old guy is kind of a douche isn't he, Tim.

I didn't do that, i challenge you to find were I did that, I asked a question, and when I got a serious answer I took the advice, thanked them for it, and will use that advice. again...serious answer. not old guy yelling that it's stupid and wrong with generalized, and bad, advice.

Good for you, keep up the good work!

as I did...

as I did...

it's a year long goal, the whole "mission" started as a 3 year long goal. the 30 day thing was to see if I could work it into my daily life, with Lou's workout I easily can, i thanked him for his help,l and will be using it for the next 6 months minimum to see how I do.

as I did, and posted I did, and posted i thanked him for his advice.
Last time...

You slapped a workout on here that most closely resembled CrossFit. I suggested you just do Crossfit. How in the hell is that lousy or poor advice you imbecile? You start up with suck this and suck that and suck everything.

You keep going on and on and on...

Now you are inferring that because I'm old, I know this stuff? What the hell does my age have to do with this? I didn't turn 45 and suddenly, magically know stuff. Nope, I learned by doing, reading, observing, and asking intelligent questions (oh, and there is such thing as stupid questions).

You claim to be passionate about dropping weight and working out yet you haven't bothered to learn the basics? WTF?

Then you infer I'm a douche?

Look dip**** - I apologized in the the very next post for possibly mistaking you for another individual that came on here asking for help. That individual didn't listen, kept changing their routine, and basically did nothing but argue about the advice that was given. Judging from your continued crap, I probably was not mistaken.

I've been on this forum since 1999 and you're the first person to make the ignore list. That, you sorry sack of fecal matter, is an achievement in which you can express pride.
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I use mine mainly on upper and lower back and pecs. My most use is lower back on deadlift day.
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Its gettin serious up in hurrrr, and there are not stupid questions just stupid people; thats what my teacher said. Tim, I think it is time to give up. The Tree is spreading his diseased roots, and causing problems
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I'd assume Lou didn't include warm up sets but they are still to be done, don't leave them out to save time.
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Its gettin serious up in hurrrr, and there are not stupid questions just stupid people; thats what my teacher said. Tim, I think it is time to give up. The Tree is spreading his diseased roots, and causing problems
so Tim's one insult, and to join crossfit, is so much more valuable than the advice that Lou, Lotus and geo all said. thank so much for blindly valueing a bad piece of advice over those who actually bothered.

I will always thank those people who want to help others(as i did do in this thread), rather than blindly following the advice of somebody, who admitidly, said he thought I was somebody else.
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I did foam roll, but it just takes too much time and effort. I now use a "marathon stick" and occasional mobility of the day.

Gym time is too limited to foam roll for 30 minutes. I wouldn't have any time left to workout!
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so Tim's one insult, and to join crossfit, is so much more valuable than the advice that Lou, Lotus and geo all said. thank so much for blindly valueing a bad piece of advice over those who actually bothered.

I will always thank those people who want to help others(as i did do in this thread), rather than blindly following the advice of somebody, who admitidly, said he thought I was somebody else.
Young man, he did offer advice, maybe just not the advice you wanted. Crossfit from what I hear, is a good workout. I personally do not want to argue with you, so I dont really have anything more to say. Good luck with whatever you choose to do.
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You slapped a workout on here that most closely resembled CrossFit. I suggested you just do Crossfit. How in the hell is that lousy or poor advice you imbecile?
actually that is NOT what you said, i would have maybe taken you a bit mroe serious if you DID say that, what you DID say was this:
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Looks pretty random without much thought put into the workout. With the goals cited, why not just do CrossFit and be done with it?
wich really just says that you don;t agree, and think I should join crossfit, wich then neek laughed at knowing that I am not a crossfit fan. hence, my post of crossfit can suck it. sorry did I need to add smiley faces for you?


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Now you are inferring that because I'm old, I know this stuff? What the hell does my age have to do with this? I didn't turn 45 and suddenly, magically know stuff. Nope, I learned by doing, reading, observing, and asking intelligent questions (oh, and there is such thing as stupid questions).
I'm not INFERRING you are old, I said I would tell you a story.I have no idea how old you are. Well, until you posted it.

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You claim to be passionate about dropping weight and working out yet you haven't bothered to learn the basics?
exactly what "basics" hae I failed to learn, the difference of opinion of what max effort means?

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Then you infer I'm a douche?
now THIS you got right, and based off this post...
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Look dip**** - I apologized in the the very next post for possibly mistaking you for another individual that came on here asking for help. That individual didn't listen, kept changing their routine, and basically did nothing but argue about the advice that was given. Judging from your continued crap, I probably was not mistaken.
I was right.

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I've been on this forum since 1999 and you're the first person to make the ignore list. That, you sorry sack of fecal matter, is an achievement in which you can express pride.
Good for you, hope you enjoy looking at the text that says I am ignored a lot then.

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Young man, he did offer advice, maybe just not the advice you wanted.
Almost all advice is something you don't want, but it usually comes from a well thought out area. I felt his did not, and so I asked for a clarifying statement, wich he then got angry about.

AGAIN
i was happy to take the advice and use the advice given by OTHER posters except Tim

Guy asks for advice
vague insulting and kinda helpful response
Guy asks for clarifying statement
other advice comes in that is helpful
vague guy gets angry and starts pounding keyboard
guy who asked orginal question is now a jerk

no sense made.
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I did foam roll, but it just takes too much time and effort. I now use a "marathon stick" and occasional mobility of the day.

Gym time is too limited to foam roll for 30 minutes. I wouldn't have any time left to workout!
Marathon stick, huh? You, sir, are nuttier than a ***thouse rat. Those things hurt. alot.

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Lets get ****ing serious here, and answer an important ****ing question. Do you arch your back when you bench press?
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Almost all advice is something you don't want, but it usually comes from a well thought out area. I felt his did not, and so I asked for a clarifying statement, wich he then got angry about.

AGAIN
i was happy to take the advice and use the advice given by OTHER posters except Tim

Guy asks for advice
vague insulting and kinda helpful response
Guy asks for clarifying statement
other advice comes in that is helpful
vague guy gets angry and starts pounding keyboard
guy who asked orginal question is now a jerk

no sense made.
dude, you end up pissing off people all over the place....here, College football thread....etc.

Did it ever occur to you that it's you? Even once?

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I did foam roll, but it just takes too much time and effort. I now use a "marathon stick" and occasional mobility of the day.

Gym time is too limited to foam roll for 30 minutes. I wouldn't have any time left to workout!
I can get my foam rolling done in about 10 minutes, but I also try and foam roll every day.

How do you like the stick? I'm thinking about picking up the big stick and sprinter stick. Are they worth it?
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dude, you end up pissing off people all over the place....here, College football thread....etc.
Did it ever occur to you that it's you? Even once?

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Have I thought that? well yes, I think of lots of things. but I don't belive it to be true. I am a very logical person, and I back that logic with sciene, facts, and truth. Lots of people post here with opinion, or old sciene, or half truths. and when they get called on it, that tends to piss them off. I knwo that in the CFB thread many of us who post regularly argue form time to time, and sometimes a long time, we all still enjoy talking about football.

Much like this thread, most posters here are on a purposful mission to get to some end goal. in this thread you come here to talk about fitness and strength in 2011. sometimes you get half truth advice, sometime you get good advice. sometimes you get a guy wanting to berate somebody for asking for advice. But in the end, most of us still want to get to the same end goal that brought us here.


For instance,
I love using my Foam roller, I had some hip issues early on, and got some advice about using the hip roller pre/post workout. I recomend them to almost everyone who is workiout out on a regular basis.
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Lets get ****ing serious here, and answer an important ****ing question. Do you arch your back when you bench press?
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Yep.... you've had your moments!

We knew you were a keeper when you made the midol comment.
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I can get my foam rolling done in about 10 minutes, but I also try and foam roll every day.

How do you like the stick? I'm thinking about picking up the big stick and sprinter stick. Are they worth it?
don't ask me - I can't bring myself to put my legs in that much pain.

I also use this site when my back hurts for stretches and generally new ideas to get my hips loosened up.

www.mobilitywod.com

I may have picked it up in here, dunno.

Anyway, it's a Crossfit guy
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He's Crap! It sucks!
that goes over new ways to hurt yourself with a ball or a roller.

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Look, it isn't my fault you became a giant fatty.
I'm glad I was defecating when I read this or I may have made pudding in my pants.

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Have I thought that? well yes, I think of lots of things. but I don't belive it to be true. I am a very logical person, and I back that logic with sciene, facts, and truth. Lots of people post here with opinion, or old sciene, or half truths.
What is this sciene you speak of?

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