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Old 06-24-2022, 07:22 AM   #626
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Fortunately they're almost exclusively dealer demos that haven't reached end-use customers yet.
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Old 06-24-2022, 10:10 AM   #627
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Coming in to joke around that TOYOTA builds it.












Joke because it's before they've even made it to retailers. Yes. Subaru has had recall issues the past several years. Just not before the product hit the ground.
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Old 06-24-2022, 11:10 AM   #628
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Fortunately they're almost exclusively dealer demos that haven't reached end-use customers yet.
Have any actually hit end-use customers yet?

Also remember that some dealers decide to sell demo cars.

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Interesting that they decided to use hub bolts instead of lug nuts; I'd assume it's an issue at the factory with torque specs on the assembly line.
There's not really a difference except in how the wheels mount. I've had both over the years, just depends on manufacturer really. (maybe this isn't really a subaru after all? )

If it was just torque specs on the assembly line this wouldn't be a recall and an order to park 'em until Toyota/Subaru research a fix.
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Old 06-24-2022, 11:22 AM   #629
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That's what the article speculated pretty much exactly as you posited. No one knows except Subaru/Toyota and those dealerships. I haven't looked for a forum for owners, but there must be a subreddit or something.

I know people always talk about first model year woes, but my 2013 BRZ and 2017 Impreza were/are fine. My 2011 WRX had big issues. So I don't really worry too much about first model year issues, but this is kind of a big deal.
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Old 06-24-2022, 11:33 AM   #630
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I know people always talk about first model year woes, but my 2013 BRZ and 2017 Impreza were/are fine. My 2011 WRX had big issues. So I don't really worry too much about first model year issues, but this is kind of a big deal.
The first model year warnings seem to be like 50/50... I've had issues with 2nd year cars too. I bought a 2008 mini cooper S... it took them till like 2010 to finally solve a timing chain tensioner issue. I probably could have lemon'd my MCS because it was in the shop 3 times for the timing chain tensioner and it still wasn't the final fix, but got a good enough trade-in that I decided not to. Then I bought a 2009 WRX, but thankfully did enough research to make sure I got a build that was after the crankshaft bearing failures were fixed, others who bought earlier build 2009's had issues.

Fast forward to like 8 months ago when I decided to buy an electric car... Looked at a few EV's. Really liked some of the new ones, like the new VW, but concerns like battery fires and other random recalls is holding me back from buying 1st generation EV's from any manufacturer. Concerned enough to accept fwd. Nissan is proven with the leaf around for over 10 years. I'm looking forward to seeing what other EV's come out, but I'm not only going to skip the first year, I'm likely to skip the first generation. Here's hoping the next VW ID.3 makes it to the US in GTX or R trim...
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Old 06-26-2022, 06:36 AM   #631
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Iíve watched so many reviews and until the EV infrastructure becomes common place AND I can get 160 mile top up in 5 minutes on a charger while on a road trip, I will pass purchasing an EV. Gas stations are plentiful and I can buy a vehicle of my choice at a much better price then any EV. One day we will look back and wonder why people bought those early EVs.
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I've watched so many reviews and until the EV infrastructure becomes common place AND I can get 160 mile top up in 5 minutes on a charger while on a road trip, I will pass purchasing an EV. Gas stations are plentiful and I can buy a vehicle of my choice at a much better price then any EV. One day we will look back and wonder why people bought those early EVs.
Spoken like someone who has never owned an EV.

99% of your life is spent commuting to work and charging at home.

Then, you can charge for trips in 10 minutes, just enough time to use the bathroom and eat a sandwich, and continue on your journey. Plus, charging at your end destination.

There's almost zero reason to not get an EV today, unless you just can't afford the price...but then you weren't buying a BMW or Audi either. So, you were never able to afford the price range.
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Old 06-26-2022, 07:59 PM   #633
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Spoken like someone who has never owned an EV.

99% of your life is spent commuting to work and charging at home.

Then, you can charge for trips in 10 minutes, just enough time to use the bathroom and eat a sandwich, and continue on your journey. Plus, charging at your end destination.

There's almost zero reason to not get an EV today, unless you just can't afford the price...but then you weren't buying a BMW or Audi either. So, you were never able to afford the price range.
As a sole vehicle, I wouldn't own one for said reason there aren't chargers as plentiful as gas stations. I do head out on a whim sometimes. Is there a viable option for reserve power like a portable gas tank I throw in the back of my Baja for that "just in case"? That's enough of a reason for me not to get one. As a second vehicle to handle the daily work commute? Sure.
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Old 06-26-2022, 11:07 PM   #634
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Spoken like someone who has never owned an EV.

99% of your life is spent commuting to work and charging at home.

Then, you can charge for trips in 10 minutes, just enough time to use the bathroom and eat a sandwich, and continue on your journey. Plus, charging at your end destination.

There's almost zero reason to not get an EV today, unless you just can't afford the price...but then you weren't buying a BMW or Audi either. So, you were never able to afford the price range.
Wrong. As good as your intentions might be, this argument is a perfect example of confinig a perception into a bubble and failing to see that there is a world outside of it. Yes, EVs are excellent for a subset of the population, and as years go by, that subset grows. But..

There are plenty of people living in apartments with on-street parking and no access to at-home chargers. Or commuting to work with no charging available in a parking. There are also plenty of people who live in rural areas, frequently driving to places where no charging infrastructure exists. There are also those who enjoy weekend getaways to campings, parks, cottage houses, lakes, skiing resorts, involving distances well beyond available EV ranges.

There are plenty of reasons NOT to get an EV today, and plenty of people for whom 99% of mileage is not getting to work and back, and without charging-at home. EVs are the future, they continue to get better, but one should never get arrogant to think that they're "better" for everyone. ICE cars will continue to exist for a long time.
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