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Old 06-09-2022, 09:36 PM   #1
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Default 2023 Crosstrek and Crosstrek Hybrid Pricing

I guess Subaru isn't ready to unveil the model change for 2023. Now we wait for 2024.
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  • Unique exterior and interior finishes on new Special Edition
  • Subaru Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive standard
  • Standard EyeSightģ Driver Assist Technology (CVT-equipped models)
  • 2.5-liter 182 hp engine standard on Sport and Limited trim levels
  • EPA-estimated 35 MPG / 90 MPGe for Hybrid model
  • Starting price for Crosstrek is $23,645
  • Crosstrek Hybrid starts at $36,845


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Old 06-10-2022, 08:00 AM   #2
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Same thing in Canada. No change in trimps, price hike of about 1000$ CAD (though unlike in the US, we did not have a middle-of-the-year hike).

Seems to me Subaru was just unable to get everything up and running for 2023, with the pandemic, plant closures, severe supply issues (and maybe the sensor issues they've had with the CB18 as well).

They might just announce the redesigned impreza and crosstrek sometimes this autumn and throw it mid 2023 as a 2024 model. It will have been a long run without a redesign (2017- for the Impreza, 2018- for the Crosstrek), but at least neither of them looks dated yet. Also, by now these engines are bulletproof.

Speculation from my side, but I'm also willing to bet this is the last generation of the two econoboxes with a MT. As much as it saddens me, it doesn't make much sense for Subaru to offer a 2nd transmission w/o Eyesight and with a higher fuel consumption.

We'll also see if they stick with the FB20/25, or if they switch to the CB-series here in North America.

To be continued..
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Old 06-10-2022, 08:26 AM   #3
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Go look at that pre pandemic timeline leak. The next Impreza/Crosstrek were not going to be FMC this year. They show being released early next year; so, likely '24MY.
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I wonder if they will make the crosstrek wilderness use the hybrid?

and if yes, what will they name it?

wilderbrid?
hybridness?
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Interesting. I thought MY22 was the end of the PHEV. Maybe they just have so many leftover MY22 parts that they decided to extend into MY23.
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Old 06-10-2022, 09:51 AM   #6
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Go look at that pre pandemic timeline leak. The next Impreza/Crosstrek were not going to be FMC this year. They show being released early next year; so, likely '24MY.
No you.
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They need to put that sweet FA24DIT in this thing already.
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Old 06-10-2022, 11:30 PM   #8
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Interesting. I thought MY22 was the end of the PHEV. Maybe they just have so many leftover MY22 parts that they decided to extend into MY23.



No.



Just...no.


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In all seriousness, I did think that it was a model year sooner. But it makes sense to line up the Crosstrek and Impreza release schedule finally. I know introducing the line-up on a staggered schedule helped to gradually rollout the SGP, but it's kinda cool to introduce model changes in pairs when they're based off each other (Crosstrek/Impreza and Outback/Legacy). Then you have the standalones: Forester, Ascent, WRX, BRZ and Solterra. Add in the STI if it ever comes back then you have 8 consecutive years of model introductions.
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Just...no.


I mean, production was down, so they should have extra parts.
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I mean, production was down, so they should have extra parts.
How are you going to have extra parts when you operate a JIT model... on a vehicle with capped production as is?
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In all seriousness, I did think that it was a model year sooner. But it makes sense to line up the Crosstrek and Impreza release schedule finally. I know introducing the line-up on a staggered schedule helped to gradually rollout the SGP, but it's kinda cool to introduce model changes in pairs when they're based off each other (Crosstrek/Impreza and Outback/Legacy). Then you have the standalones: Forester, Ascent, WRX, BRZ and Solterra. Add in the STI if it ever comes back then you have 8 consecutive years of model introductions.
Add to that the fact Subaru isn't a ginormous company, so one would think that optimization is a fairly important aspect in cost control. Having 2 styles for the Crosstrek/Impreza is just wasteful. From that perspective, it doesn't make much sense to offer 3 different manual transmissions either (5MT Impreza, 6MT Crosstrek, 6MT WRX).
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Yeah the multiple manual transmissions thing is odd to me, especially when anyone who has ever given me feedback on the Crosstrek manual comments that it's a complete disappointment. I don't hear many complaints about the Impreza manual. And the WRX manual just depends on user preference/experience.

WRX transmission shared with FB25 Crosstrek Sport/Impreza Sport wouldn't anger me.
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Old 06-13-2022, 09:03 AM   #14
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Funny, I would claim the opposite. I like the Crosstrek's 6MT definitely more than I did the 2008 2.5i or the 2003 OBS MT, both of which required a SS to be somewhat fun.
This one is notchy, precise, and easy to engage. I don't like the rev hang, or the gear ratios, but I understand the logic behind them. As always though, it's my subjective perception.. YMMV.
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How are you going to have extra parts when you operate a JIT model... on a vehicle with capped production as is?
Parts are ordered with an expected production volume. They donít order today, and the part is magically created today. There is a whole supply chain. The parts are in the supplierís inventory waiting to be sent over to the factory. They didnít start off expecting a shortage of chips.
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Parts are ordered with an expected production volume. They donít order today, and the part is magically created today. There is a whole supply chain. The parts are in the supplierís inventory waiting to be sent over to the factory. They didnít start off expecting a shortage of chips.
We are two years into this though. Seriously doubt they have been over ordering.
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Parts are ordered with an expected production volume. They donít order today, and the part is magically created today. There is a whole supply chain. The parts are in the supplierís inventory waiting to be sent over to the factory. They didnít start off expecting a shortage of chips.
Everyone lost production at the same time. SBR doesn't have parts lying around. Car was already capped production before the pandemic hit and drained components.
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We are two years into this though. Seriously doubt they have been over ordering.
They have long term contracts for x # of parts. If Subaru makes less of something, then a supplier is holding the parts...or they ordered too much of the ingredients to produce the originally expected # of parts. Everyone is in a holding pattern...so why would you create something new when you still have the old mold that hasn't recouped its costs?

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Everyone lost production at the same time. SBR doesn't have parts lying around. Car was already capped production before the pandemic hit and drained components.
Lost production that was not expected. Which means they have excess on hand, or prepaid.
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They have long term contracts for x # of parts. If Subaru makes less of something, then a supplier is holding the parts...or they ordered too much of the ingredients to produce the originally expected # of parts. Everyone is in a holding pattern...so why would you create something new when you still have the old mold that hasn't recouped its costs?
A lot of parts are very much JIT. When I worked for a Toyota/Subaru supplier, we had about 8 hours of inventory at our place and Toyota had a similar amount at their facility.

When the line rate goes down, the supply chain feels the ripple, but I can assure you that the finished goods (components) do not keep running at the "long term contract" rate. Having worked in the industry, I can assure you that the OEMs have a vast majority of the bargaining power and they aren't going to keep bringing in components based on an arbitrary forecast that is no longer valid.
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A lot of parts are very much JIT. When I worked for a Toyota/Subaru supplier, we had about 8 hours of inventory at our place and Toyota had a similar amount at their facility.

When the line rate goes down, the supply chain feels the ripple, but I can assure you that the finished goods (components) do not keep running at the "long term contract" rate. Having worked in the industry, I can assure you that the OEMs have a vast majority of the bargaining power and they aren't going to keep bringing in components based on an arbitrary forecast that is no longer valid.



Thanks. I was about to say the same thing. Initially maybe they did. 2 years in, I am sure everyone has adjusted.
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A lot of parts are very much JIT. When I worked for a Toyota/Subaru supplier, we had about 8 hours of inventory at our place and Toyota had a similar amount at their facility.

When the line rate goes down, the supply chain feels the ripple, but I can assure you that the finished goods (components) do not keep running at the "long term contract" rate. Having worked in the industry, I can assure you that the OEMs have a vast majority of the bargaining power and they aren't going to keep bringing in components based on an arbitrary forecast that is no longer valid.
That is much less inventory that I would have excepted, even for JIT.

I would still think that Subaru would want to keep making the same cars as last year since there is added cost to upgrading parts/designs/molds, dyes, etc. So, if MY20-MY22 were low on production, save money on a refresh, and just churn out the old design that has already been paid for.

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Thanks. I was about to say the same thing. Initially maybe they did. 2 years in, I am sure everyone has adjusted.
Perhaps it has been longer than I realize. Frankly, the past two years are a blur lol.
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They have long term contracts for x # of parts. If Subaru makes less of something, then a supplier is holding the parts...or they ordered too much of the ingredients to produce the originally expected # of parts. Everyone is in a holding pattern...so why would you create something new when you still have the old mold that hasn't recouped its costs?


Lost production that was not expected. Which means they have excess on hand, or prepaid.
Just because something make sense in your brain doesn't make it reality. I wasn't giving you an opinion. I was giving you reality.
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Just because something make sense in your brain doesn't make it reality. I wasn't giving you an opinion. I was giving you reality.
We will see how innovative they are over the next year or two. Ascent got a mild refresh, so maybe they will keep going as if nothing happened.
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We will see how innovative they are over the next year or two. Ascent got a mild refresh, so maybe they will keep going as if nothing happened.
Spy shots of the nex Crosstrek revealed an evolution more than a revolution. Lobster tailights, same headlights as every new Subaru, and the 11.6" tablet in the dashboard. The real mystery is whether they'll continue with the FB or switch to CB engines.
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Spy shots of the nex Crosstrek revealed an evolution more than a revolution. Lobster tailights, same headlights as every new Subaru, and the 11.6" tablet in the dashboard. The real mystery is whether they'll continue with the FB or switch to CB engines.
It should be a short wheel base Solterra, but I'm sure they will soldier on with the FB. CB is probably too expensive to federalize.
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