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Old 08-18-2012, 10:26 PM   #201
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That was really good that the ref didn't stop the fight and let Cook get his bearings.
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Old 08-19-2012, 12:00 AM   #202
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No surprise there.
I can totally tell she's been training 10th Planet jiu jitsu.
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Old 08-19-2012, 12:06 AM   #203
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Credit to Rhoussey, but I'm wondering if this is more of a metric that the women's league is simply not evolved enough to properly counter? Sort like when BJJ was so dominant in the UFC's early years? It's like the women's metagame is a decade or so behind the men's which I find odd.
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Old 08-19-2012, 12:12 AM   #204
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Credit to Rhoussey, but I'm wondering if this is more of a metric that the women's league is simply not evolved enough to properly counter? Sort like when BJJ was so dominant in the UFC's early years? It's like the women's metagame is a decade or so behind the men's which I find odd.
Nah. That'd be like saying the men suck because Silva rips through everyone.
I think it's just a strikeforce thing, and the fact that hardly any women compete anyway.
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Old 08-19-2012, 12:25 AM   #205
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Nah. That'd be like saying the men suck because Silva rips through everyone.
I think it's just a strikeforce thing, and the fact that hardly any women compete anyway.
You could be right, but from what we've seen from Rhoussey so far, she's a one trick (arm bar) pony. Silva, Jones, BJ (in his prime), etc. are all phenomenally well rounded, or able to protect against their weaknesses.

But definitely the lack of competition is not helping.
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Old 08-19-2012, 01:11 AM   #206
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I take exception to the "RR is a one trick pony" suggestion because she literally hasn't needed anything else. Just because the arm bar is exceptionally effective for her does not mean that she is ineffective with other techniques.

Her striking looked a hell of a lot better in this fight. Hell, the fact that she opened the fight with 1-1-2 to the clinch was a huge improvement over her last outing with Tate wherein she was winging punches from her hips and throwing haymakers while trying to get the clinch.

She's evolving and it shows. I've got her decimating Cyborg when it happens.

Poison, thanks for your participation here, because you introduced her to me before she really hit her stride in MMA and I've been a fan ever since.
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Old 08-19-2012, 04:21 AM   #207
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I take exception to the "RR is a one trick pony" suggestion because she literally hasn't needed anything else. Just because the arm bar is exceptionally effective for her does not mean that she is ineffective with other techniques.

Her striking looked a hell of a lot better in this fight. Hell, the fact that she opened the fight with 1-1-2 to the clinch was a huge improvement over her last outing with Tate wherein she was winging punches from her hips and throwing haymakers while trying to get the clinch.

She's evolving and it shows. I've got her decimating Cyborg when it happens.

Poison, thanks for your participation here, because you introduced her to me before she really hit her stride in MMA and I've been a fan ever since.
I think she takes cyborg especially when she isn't doping
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Old 08-19-2012, 10:47 AM   #208
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I don't even think Cyborg will make 135. But if she does Ronda will win.
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Old 08-19-2012, 02:36 PM   #209
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I don't even think Cyborg will make 135. But if she does Ronda will win.
Really? She's 5'8" and has probably been using roids since her teen years. Look at her jaw and shoulders. She is built like a man and it likely from years and years of roids and obnoxiously high levels of test.

If she gets off of roids, I think she can make it. Hell, we know she would have to give up muscle mass to get there, and that should happen anyway when she's not stabbing herself with roids.
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Old 08-19-2012, 07:31 PM   #210
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Old 08-19-2012, 08:19 PM   #212
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The head kick from Tate vs Julie Kedzie.

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Old 08-20-2012, 02:52 AM   #213
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You could be right, but from what we've seen from Rhoussey so far, she's a one trick (arm bar) pony. Silva, Jones, BJ (in his prime), etc. are all phenomenally well rounded, or able to protect against their weaknesses.

But definitely the lack of competition is not helping.
Whoa, hold on.

I keep hearing this 'one trick pony' line, and gotta respond. Judo has 67 throws, and lots of submissions. The best world judo champions don't master 67 throws, they master 2-3, are proficient at a few more, and adequate>good at the rest. So many of the very best win with the same 2-3 techniques. They win with these techniques despite the opposition knowing full well in advance what's going to happen, because they are so ****ing good at it. They can do their preferred technique to anyone, anywhere.

What this means is they can manipulate their opponent so completely as to create the situation they require to successfully perform the technique they prefer. This is what Ronda is doing. It's not luck, or lack of diversity or a repertoire; it's the opposite, a far greater level of skill, one that allows her to dictate what happens and create the motions needed to insert her armbar. Instead of winging it, and trying to pull techniques out of her ass in response to the opponent on the fly, she's fully dictating the when, where, and how. And that's why her opponents are so disappointed in their performance: they got handled.

Look at the initial clinch: Ronda hooks Sarah's head, and then toys with her balance. She tries to take her for a hip throw, sarah resists back, ronda sucks her foot out and she went down. She's going down either way, forwards or back, and either way it's into the armbar, and she will lose.

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I take exception to the "RR is a one trick pony" suggestion because she literally hasn't needed anything else. Just because the arm bar is exceptionally effective for her does not mean that she is ineffective with other techniques.

Her striking looked a hell of a lot better in this fight. Hell, the fact that she opened the fight with 1-1-2 to the clinch was a huge improvement over her last outing with Tate wherein she was winging punches from her hips and throwing haymakers while trying to get the clinch.

She's evolving and it shows. I've got her decimating Cyborg when it happens.

Poison, thanks for your participation here, because you introduced her to me before she really hit her stride in MMA and I've been a fan ever since.
That's another point: I *know* she's crazy good at other techniques. If someone wises up, trains hard, and is able to test her, you'll see a pretty wide array of takedowns on display, as well as other subs.

I'm just happy to see her, and judo, in the limelight, putting on such a great show!
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Old 08-20-2012, 03:05 AM   #214
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*11ty. Even ol' Judo Gene is getting some face time with the MMA media every time RR pulls out one of her amazing performances.
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Her armbar right now seems inevitable like jordan sinking a jumper with a hand in his face, that's what poisons response reminds me of
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Old 08-20-2012, 12:22 PM   #216
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*11ty. Even ol' Judo Gene is getting some face time with the MMA media every time RR pulls out one of her amazing performances.
Her mom is usually there as well. Her mom didn't want her to switch to MMA, but fully supports her. Her mom is awesome, she's taught class at my dojo a few times; she seems like a ball buster in her blog, but IRL she's the nicest, humblest women ever. And absolutely fierce!

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Her armbar right now seems inevitable like jordan sinking a jumper with a hand in his face, that's what poisons response reminds me of
Yeah, some athletes just attain another level. Jordan, Ronda, Lance Armstrong, Phelps (not equating them all, just examples of extraordinary athletes).



I'm happy about this for another reason: judo used to be HUGE in the US in the 50's and 60's. Interest has tapered off a lot, and there are a lot of misconceptions. People either have no idea, or they did it as a kid at the Y for a year and think it's 'cute', or watched in in the Olympics, by chance, and think it's boring (partly true). It's all wrong.

Judo is really difficult, to learn as well as to withstand. Being thrown goes against human nature, and the ground can hit harder than any fist or shin. It's not a quick study, at all, and it's frustrating for nearly everyone. We get 10-20 new students at my dojo every month, and only 1-2 are still around after the first month. That 90% attrition rate applies globally.

People think it's a sport, and it is, but that's just the tip of the iceberg. Much of judo is not taught in most US dojo's, and that's all the nasty stuff they learn in the Tokyo Police Academy. It's brutal. Judo was meant for fighting, and its founders were not afraid to mix it up in bars or on the street. Conde Koma, one of the first judoka under judo's founder, left Japan and traveled the world looking for a fight. He'd arrive in a new country, and post ads in the local paper that he was looking to fight the best fighters, any style, or he'd go to their gyms and challenge them. He weight 140 or so, and would fight any size. He beat the best on nearly every continent, winning over 1000 matches in a row, 0 losses, using judo. Some matches were 2-3 hours long. He fought in nearly every country in Europe, the US, Cuba, Mexico, Brazil, and more, with no losses.

Judo originally had no weight classes, it was simply open, and weight classes were only added in 1964 (iirc) due to the acceptance of Judo to the Olympics. The All Japan Championships, arguably more prestigious than the World's, is only open division, and this year, a 93kg guy (who normally fights at 81kg) beat a guy weighing something like 80lbs more. It breeds tough fighters, and back to Ronda, I've seen her tool larger, more experienced men.

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Karo Parisyan - Listen, Ronda grew up in front of us. When Ronda was a kid we used to yell at her and tell her to suck her lip back in and start doing the techniques. She trained with animals like us and that's why she went and became a world champion in judo. Ronda is like my little sister man. I've known her for over 15 years. She's doing great and she's an animal. I put my money on her. When she fights Cyborg, I put my money on Ronda. Ronda would kill Cyborg. Ronda would tear a limb off. People have no idea how strong Ronda is and she doesn't quit.

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Old 08-21-2012, 01:39 AM   #217
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All of the above should be posted on every MMA site. Mania is filled with RR haters.
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It's really too bad she hangs out with douchebags like Parisyan, Gamburyan and the Diaz brothers.
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Old 08-21-2012, 07:28 AM   #219
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Really? She's 5'8" and has probably been using roids since her teen years. Look at her jaw and shoulders. She is built like a man and it likely from years and years of roids and obnoxiously high levels of test.

If she gets off of roids, I think she can make it. Hell, we know she would have to give up muscle mass to get there, and that should happen anyway when she's not stabbing herself with roids.

Yes really.


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“I get many questions about Ronda Rousey, and I would like to set the record straight for the “last time”, as I do not consider her much personally, much less as a fighter.
She claims she is the “Champion” and openly challenges me to fight at 135lbs. (She competed in the Beijing Olympics at 70kg/154lbs, and fought at 145lbs in MMA till she learned she would have to fight me, and then dropped to 135lbs.) Which I find laughable. I have never fought below 145lbs, and I am considered the pound for pond top women fighter in the WORLD! I have yet to lose a fight while holding the Strike Force 145lbs title. My last fight was considered a no contest, but that has NOT changed the fact that I AM the women’s 145lbs CHAMPION!
There really is NOT a safe way for me to cut to 135lbs, not without hurting myself physically. (I am less than 8% body fat at 145lbs.) And my cardiologist and physician have advised me that to make such a drastic reduction in weight could have permanent effects in my long term health. And I will not endanger my health to satisfy the rantings of a spoiled little girl who has yet to prove that she can truly compete at the my level, at a weight she has not only fought at before but has been awarded an Olympic medal!
So to put this issue to rest, if Rhonda is the future of WMMA, and is the “Champion” that she envisions….you know where I am, and I am more than willing to give you an opportunity to test me. I WILL fight you at 145lbs, (you know…the weight that you started at), and then you can have 2 belts, and prove to everyone that you are indeed a “Champion”.
If not, stay at 135lbs and continue to delude yourself and your fans that you can beat me. Your really not worth my time otherwise. I will do all of my talking in the ring, until then your really not worth my breath.”
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Cyborg has some points but the fact that she got popped for juice makes basically her whole argument void IMO. You cant be a champ on a high horse after you just got caught cheating.

This would be the chance for cyborg to prove she can win natural, without juice she could cut ten lbs in a camp very easily. Female frame doesn't like to hold that kind of muscle mass with natural test levels. It'd metabolize quickly.
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Yup. Ronda at 145 and 160 is totally natural. She's a big girl. Cyborgs 8%? Uh, no.
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Yeah she's cut up for a chick but no way she's that low. 8% maybe maybe maybe completely dry for a weigh in after cutting and cycling lol. After fluids and food, Nah.
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Cyborg has some points but the fact that she got popped for juice makes basically her whole argument void IMO. You cant be a champ on a high horse after you just got caught cheating.

This would be the chance for cyborg to prove she can win natural, without juice she could cut ten lbs in a camp very easily. Female frame doesn't like to hold that kind of muscle mass with natural test levels. It'd metabolize quickly.
^ Agree with all

BTW, I missed the prelims on Saturday night and had a chance to watch them last night. The Tate/Kedzie fight was a really good fight.
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It's really too bad she hangs out with douchebags like Parisyan, Gamburyan and the Diaz brothers.
Yes on all points but I thought those two cousins hated those two brothers? They were ready to fight on TUF a few seasons back...
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