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Old 07-05-2019, 12:48 AM   #1
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Default I may be flying to PA to drive an older Subie back home (1500 miles)

Are there any state laws in PA regarding warranties / lemons when buying a used car in PA? It is a VERY old car, over 200k miles but looks like its in immaculate condition. I just want to know if there is anything specific in PA regarding any mechanical failure that happens to the car after purchase. I know its a gamble either way (I'm literally going to buy a one way ticket and drive it back shipping is like $1300, car is worth maybe $5000 if that). I just want to know my options if the worst comes into play.
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Old 07-05-2019, 11:00 AM   #2
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Are there any state laws in PA regarding warranties / lemons when buying a used car in PA? It is a VERY old car, over 200k miles but looks like its in immaculate condition. I just want to know if there is anything specific in PA regarding any mechanical failure that happens to the car after purchase. I know its a gamble either way (I'm literally going to buy a one way ticket and drive it back shipping is like $1300, car is worth maybe $5000 if that). I just want to know my options if the worst comes into play.
If you are talking private sale, I believe it is buyer beware. They have yearly inspections so ask to see the paperwork if they have it (not sure how old the car is). If you are concerned, have a local shop check it out first.

In case you aren't aware, you and the seller need to sign the title in the presence of a notary. Had to make a second trip for that when I bought a car there.
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Old 07-05-2019, 02:36 PM   #3
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If you are talking private sale, I believe it is buyer beware. They have yearly inspections so ask to see the paperwork if they have it (not sure how old the car is). If you are concerned, have a local shop check it out first.

In case you aren't aware, you and the seller need to sign the title in the presence of a notary. Had to make a second trip for that when I bought a car there.
Thank you for the notary info, that is good stuff to know. It is at a dealership right now so I assume someone there is a notary so hopefully that won't be an issue and that they do their own inspections aside from taking the word of the previous owner.

All my research has turned up that lemon laws only apply to new vehicles less than 12k miles. However, for used cars there is a clause for the Selling of Defective or Damaged Goods" which applies when someone knowingly sells you something broken or in need of repairs and applies to used cars.
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Old 07-06-2019, 01:17 AM   #4
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Typically unless they offer some form of guarantee it is just sold as is, no warranty. Now if it has very recent Inspection stickers, say within 1000 miles and a safety issue occurs there could be some action taken against whomever issued the sticker. Our Inspection regulations are fairly strict as far as immediate safety is concerned. If something less predictable were to happen, say alternator stops charging half way back home or something like that you would most likely be on your own.
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Old 08-30-2019, 10:22 PM   #5
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I don’t mean to bump an old thread but want to shed some light.

How much are you expecting from a used car with over 200k miles? I purchased a car with 196k and knew that driving it wasn’t an option so I had to shipped from Texas to Pennsylvania for less than $900.

If it’s a private sale, you have 0 recourse. Due diligence is up to the buyer.

If it’s a used vehicle dealer, they are bound by the Department of State and the Office of Attorney General.

It’s lengthy but worth a read:

Automotive Industry Trade Practices Regulations, 37 Pa Code Ch. 301, issued under the UTPCPL, were put in place to protect consumers from being misled about the quality of vehicles they purchase. The regulations apply to car dealers, including anyone who sells five or more motor vehicles in a year, as well as anyone who sells or negotiates the sale of a vehicle which he does not own or has acquired for resale purposes. 37 Pa Code 301.1.

The regulations provide strict guidelines prohibiting deceptive advertising and misrepresentation. Additionally, the regulations require that a dealer disclose any known defects existing in the frame, block, transmission, or differential, flood damage or inability to pass state inspection.

Under the regulations, a motor vehicle which is offered for sale is represented to be “roadworthy.” The following conditions render a vehicle as non-roadworthy:

(i) Frame bent, cracked or twisted.

(ii) Engine block or head cracked.

(iii) Vehicle unable to pass State inspection.

(iv) Transmission damaged, defective or so deteriorated as to require replacement.

(v) Vehicle flood damaged.

(vi) Differential damaged, defective or so deteriorated as to require replacement.

If the seller knows or should know that any of these conditions exist, the seller must specifically disclose that information to the buyer prior to the sale, regardless of any as-is disclaimer in the sales contract.
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