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Old 08-15-2019, 12:01 AM   #526
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Old 08-15-2019, 10:24 AM   #527
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I cannot fathom that the touring XT looks exactly like the base model. Nothing at all to make it noteworthy or special. Absolutely zero reason to buy this over a 300 HP Camry.
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Old 08-15-2019, 10:32 AM   #528
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We had a 2020 Outback here today and I was only able to get 15 minutes in it. As of right now, I have many more complaints than compliments, though that is speaking to the 11.6 soo far. It is HOT here and when I turned on the car, I had to wait for the dang thing to say hello and tell me not to mess with it while driving before it would allow me to change the temp. I think that is user error and may be a way around that. Maybe I'll get more time in it before it's gone. While I was playing with it, I called a guy who has been asking me questions every week since the debut to come look at it and he left with a Legacy XT Limited Sold Order Number in his hand. So.....OK......I'm a salesman(Pre). I just won't get paid on it.
Therein lies the problem with every manufacturer that decides to include the temperature buttons inside the infotainment. It's been a problem on cars for a while now, even back into the 90s when they started sharing the radio stuff with the temperature control. Such a dumb and backwards way of thinking, I know it costs more to add dedicated dials/buttons for temperature - but it really is a smarter way of doing it.

As someone who has owned a car that had the two combined and then had an integrated head unit failure, you have NO IDEA how aggravating it is not being able to change the fan speed/temperature while the dealership waited on the part to fix it. I really though manufacturers would've learned their lesson on this stuff by now.
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Old 08-15-2019, 11:35 AM   #529
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Therein lies the problem with every manufacturer that decides to include the temperature buttons inside the infotainment. It's been a problem on cars for a while now, even back into the 90s when they started sharing the radio stuff with the temperature control. Such a dumb and backwards way of thinking, I know it costs more to add dedicated dials/buttons for temperature - but it really is a smarter way of doing it.

As someone who has owned a car that had the two combined and then had an integrated head unit failure, you have NO IDEA how aggravating it is not being able to change the fan speed/temperature while the dealership waited on the part to fix it. I really though manufacturers would've learned their lesson on this stuff by now.
One of the things, among a few, that I like on my '19 Impreza Ltd... its separate HVAC knobs. Keep the car stuff separate from the ether stuff.

Another that surprised me, is how much I like non-memory seats. While at first I believed in the feature on my FXTT, now that I don't have it... I also don't have to deal with the seat almost always being in the wrong position. So even though I've been, and want to remain, the only driver during a period of time, it sensed my wife's fob any time she got near it, and the driver's seat would change positions on me. Subaru's corrected that in the facial recognition systems, but still, I'm not swayed anymore. I lived with and enjoyed manual only seats for most of my life and they worked fine.

That goes for the finicky adjustable lumbar support as well. The Imp's seats not only fit me better, especially the thigh bolsters which now snuggle me, but are also shaped to fit my back perfectly and needs no adjusting.

Funny how advertising and new&better sometimes isn't really all they're cracked up to be.
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Old 08-15-2019, 11:50 AM   #530
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Needs moar STI parts without any STI power.
such as different exhaust, cold air intake, Dow pipe. the legacy xt has an engine tuned for efficiency, that same engine can tow 5k, however no one will really be towing anything with their legacy. what can that newly upgraded cvt really handle.
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Old 08-15-2019, 12:02 PM   #531
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Therein lies the problem with every manufacturer that decides to include the temperature buttons inside the infotainment. It's been a problem on cars for a while now, even back into the 90s when they started sharing the radio stuff with the temperature control. Such a dumb and backwards way of thinking, I know it costs more to add dedicated dials/buttons for temperature - but it really is a smarter way of doing it.

As someone who has owned a car that had the two combined and then had an integrated head unit failure, you have NO IDEA how aggravating it is not being able to change the fan speed/temperature while the dealership waited on the part to fix it. I really though manufacturers would've learned their lesson on this stuff by now.
hopefully when they refresh the infotainment system, the HVAC controls will be separated again.keep the radio in the touchscreens, but dont overcomplicate it and give us back the HVAC buttons, unless the voice recognition system can do the heated seats too.
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Old 08-15-2019, 12:16 PM   #532
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I cannot fathom that the touring XT looks exactly like the base model. Nothing at all to make it noteworthy or special. Absolutely zero reason to buy this over a 300 HP Camry.
In my opinion, this alone could be the reason Subaru sells more. If the base model which is cheaper looks the same as the most expensive one (minus the chrome finished power folding mirrors/door handles), I know people who would more and likely by because it does look the same.

I also know there're people like me (and my wife) who would be more than willing to pay for the XT Touring IF it didn't just offer the brown nappa leather. I would love an all-black option. I'm looking into an XT Limited with the black interior, but really want the ventilated seats.
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Old 08-15-2019, 12:33 PM   #533
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Wait, I thought there were redundant climate control knobs, no?
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Old 08-15-2019, 12:43 PM   #534
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At least the Limited XT is nicely equipped. No stupid extra packages. But a Sport XT would be nice to slot below it.

I noticed that there is an optional $400 CD player accessory that is installed in the center console. That reminded me of the CD changers in the trunk back in the 90's.

While messing with the Outback configurator, I noticed there's optional sport grille, front skid plate, and rear diff protector.
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Old 08-15-2019, 12:54 PM   #535
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Samesy looks forces people to only shop more power. Most just can't justify it because the NA Legacy with the new engine and CVT will likely be good enough for the $4500 in savings. And there will be a million more to choose from on dealer lots in every color combo. Legacy XT won't be on lots in any significant number so it will be burgundy or dark blue for you person who likes more power.

Put the goddam orange accents on it before it's too late!!!


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Old 08-15-2019, 02:20 PM   #536
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One of the things, among a few, that I like on my '19 Impreza Ltd... its separate HVAC knobs. Keep the car stuff separate from the ether stuff.

Another that surprised me, is how much I like non-memory seats. While at first I believed in the feature on my FXTT, now that I don't have it... I also don't have to deal with the seat almost always being in the wrong position. So even though I've been, and want to remain, the only driver during a period of time, it sensed my wife's fob any time she got near it, and the driver's seat would change positions on me. Subaru's corrected that in the facial recognition systems, but still, I'm not swayed anymore. I lived with and enjoyed manual only seats for most of my life and they worked fine.

That goes for the finicky adjustable lumbar support as well. The Imp's seats not only fit me better, especially the thigh bolsters which now snuggle me, but are also shaped to fit my back perfectly and needs no adjusting.

Funny how advertising and new&better sometimes isn't really all they're cracked up to be.
As Tesla once said, there's a difference between technology and progress. We keep adding technology, but it's not progress because all it adds is needless complication. Having less tech can certainly make things easier in many cases.

Although, the "his and her" seats have been around for decades. I just don't think they should be integrated into the keyfob for that exact reason. Most of the time one person only drives the car, so it's irrelevant for 90% of the time.
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hopefully when they refresh the infotainment system, the HVAC controls will be separated again.keep the radio in the touchscreens, but dont overcomplicate it and give us back the HVAC buttons, unless the voice recognition system can do the heated seats too.
I can't imagine any voice recognition software being better than a dedicated dial. There is no way that going through several virtual menus is more efficient than a hard button that you just press.
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Muscle memory is incredibly important for adjusting things you shouldn't be looking at, and touchscreens completely negate that.
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Muscle memory is incredibly important for adjusting things you shouldn't be looking at, and touchscreens completely negate that.
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Old 08-15-2019, 05:59 PM   #539
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You've been holding out on us, esse.
Sorry man. They were adamant about not posting anything. If you were standing next to me, I could talk up a storm. Just couldn't post anything until after the mags. And since I couldn't remember if we were allowed to say when the reviews were coming out, I just kept my mouth shut.

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I cannot fathom that the touring XT looks exactly like the base model. Nothing at all to make it noteworthy or special. Absolutely zero reason to buy this over a 300 HP Camry.
Really?

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Therein lies the problem with every manufacturer that decides to include the temperature buttons inside the infotainment. It's been a problem on cars for a while now, even back into the 90s when they started sharing the radio stuff with the temperature control. Such a dumb and backwards way of thinking, I know it costs more to add dedicated dials/buttons for temperature - but it really is a smarter way of doing it.

As someone who has owned a car that had the two combined and then had an integrated head unit failure, you have NO IDEA how aggravating it is not being able to change the fan speed/temperature while the dealership waited on the part to fix it. I really though manufacturers would've learned their lesson on this stuff by now.
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Wait, I thought there were redundant climate control knobs, no?

Yeah. Sorry. I left some stuff out. When I get into the hot cars with Auto climate control, I like to immediately hit "Auto". Can't do that. I could have hit the hard buttons and then waited; but, that's annoying. Yes, there are still hard buttons; but, no hard "Auto" button like the past. HOWEVER, it may be that way since you have the opportunity to start your car from your phone and preset the temp. Kinda overrides my complaint a bit.
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Old 08-15-2019, 06:08 PM   #540
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I cannot fathom that the touring XT looks exactly like the base model. Nothing at all to make it noteworthy or special. Absolutely zero reason to buy this over a 300 HP Camry.
Agreed.
In fact, the modestly powered Sport trim *looks* more "intriguing" than the XT (no chrome accross the grill and no chrome around the fog lights).
But, at $36K, the LXT Touring seems like decent value for the money given all the standard stuff it brings to the table.
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Old 08-15-2019, 07:26 PM   #541
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Yes, there are still hard buttons; but, no hard "Auto" button like the past. HOWEVER, it may be that way since you have the opportunity to start your car from your phone and preset the temp. Kinda overrides my complaint a bit.
Can you hit the defrost button to get the ac going while you wait?

I was not sure if the defrost button could do any other functions.

When I played with the Legacy at the NY Auto show, I remembered thinking I would be nice if the defrost button could actually be a multi mode button. The Legacy had power, however a.c. system was disabled.
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At least the Limited XT is nicely equipped. No stupid extra packages. But a Sport XT would be nice to slot below it.

I noticed that there is an optional $400 CD player accessory that is installed in the center console. That reminded me of the CD changers in the trunk back in the 90's.

While messing with the Outback configurator, I noticed there's optional sport grille, front skid plate, and rear diff protector.
*Would be nice*. Correct. Because there isn't one on the books yet. Hopefully they have this in their back pocket for 2021.

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Can you hit the defrost button to get the ac going while you wait?

I was not sure if the defrost button could do any other functions.

When I played with the Legacy at the NY Auto show, I remembered thinking I would be nice if the defrost button could actually be a multi mode button. The Legacy had power, however a.c. system was disabled.

Yeah.....so, it was 96 degrees outside. Probably in the triple inside the car. Defrost wasn't on the mind at the moment; so, I couldn't answer that at this time. Apologies
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supposedly, the embargo on the 2020 legacy should be ending this week. finally we will get first impressions of the legacy xt.
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Legacy XT reviews coming out. 16:47 timestamp for this video.


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Old 08-26-2019, 11:17 AM   #546
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Hopefully add more buttons/knobs and better utilize that touch screen (e.g., for things like Carplay) by the time I'm ready to upgrade from my '15.

As-is, and not having played with it, I think the touch-screen would drive me away from a purchase.
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Hopefully add more buttons/knobs and better utilize that touch screen (e.g., for things like Carplay) by the time I'm ready to upgrade from my '15.

As-is, and not having played with it, I think the touch-screen would drive me away from a purchase.
I've thought the same thing... until I got my new Impreza Ltd. Its 8" touch screen is excellent and definitely not distracting. Commonly used knobs for volume and tuning join mechanical knobs for the AC, air control, etc. Beneath the touch screen are well defined discrete buttons for quick access to Home, etc. I haven't though about it since I got it.

Subaru seems to do consoles better these days, among other things that show a higher level of engineer over penny-pincher.

All I know is, I've had a bunch of Subarus, and this one seems out of usual development character... as if my '17 I traded for it were, say, a 2008 or 9 and I just got the current model. Frankly, from a trend line that started in 1992 for me, I've gotten use to the slow steady of Subaru model-to-model progress. The usual only mostly better. But the SGP, and a new perspective guiding it, has changed Subaru's fundamentals.

The SGP line is different in every way, inside and out. Almost like there was a special task force assigned to clean-sheet it with only engineering and quality assurance people in charge.

IMO, shoppers for the new SGP line of Subarus can expect each to exceed their expectations... especially the WRX and STi.

It's not here yet because they're making as sure as they can they will meet their expectations out of the box. They want each to make a mark and make buyers want them.
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I've thought the same thing... until I got my new Impreza Ltd. Its 8" touch screen is excellent and definitely not distracting. Commonly used knobs for volume and tuning join mechanical knobs for the AC, air control, etc. Beneath the touch screen are well defined discrete buttons for quick access to Home, etc. I haven't though about it since I got it.
The new Legacy's display is not like Impreza's or my Ascent's screen. The fan controls, home button and the heated seat controls have now moved into the display. Only the temperature controls, defroster and radio knobs get the secondary physical buttons/knobs.

I think Subaru should have kept the air con/seat temp controls seperate media/information display.
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I'm sorry, but this looks horrific and a terrible use of screen space. They tablet-ized it for the sake of tablet-izing it. I can't imagine the engineers thinking it would be more user friendly when they plopped this behemoth in there.

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I'm sorry, but this looks horrific and a terrible use of screen space. They tablet-ized it for the sake of tablet-izing it. I can't imagine the engineers thinking it would be more user friendly when they plopped this behemoth in there.

supposedly it is so that you can see the CarPlay or android auto and still have full use of the radio at the same time. however the in house nav uses the whole screen. I believe I read that apple has forced them to use that small screen configuration

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