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Old 03-14-2014, 06:08 PM   #1
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I did a 6 speed swap into my wrx, in anticipation of using E85. So rather than hoping that the 5 speed hold up I went ahead and got a 6 speed so I didn't have to worry about 3rd gear. I daily the car, putting on about 20k a year. Sitting in traffic having to work a clutch pedal isn't fun as is so having an extra heavy clutch pedal wasn't what I was looking to buy. I started shopping for a clutch that was versatile but durable. Something that could hold tq but didn't have a harsh engagement or a lot of clutch chatter. I have to thank Rev Works for suggesting this clutch to me because I would have missed it if they hadn't.

Most the clutches I looked into had either longevity issues, where they would only last 30-40k (which for me is about a year and a half), or they would have harsh engagement along with the reduced expected lifetime.

What I liked about this clutch is it was a full face clutch disc. South bend takes and OEM clutch then go in house and put their own additions to the clutch to upgrade it. Its rated to 495lb of tq at the crank, which is a lot of tq for a "daily clutch" to hold and still be reasonable.

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The clutch when I first got it was a little touchy to get going off a light but that was expected since there was a 500-1000 mile break in period. Pedal effort wasn't too much more than stock. As I've driven it the effort has reduced to what my 5 speed clutch was, if its a little more its not noticeable. During this period this clutch was silent, no more noise than the OEM exedy disc. The clutch broke in nicely, with the winter that Michigan has had this year, I had over 1,200 miles on it before I was able to get some fast shifts in. This clutch when you get on it feels aggressive, every shift feels solid and you can feel it grab hard. I'm currently still on a vf series tuned for pump gas which it has no problem holding the tq, which is expected.

The real test will come when I put my 20g on with E85. Once that happens I will be sure to let everybody know how the clutch is holding up.

So far, I'd recommend this clutch to anybody looking for a stage 2 clutch, that they can daily drive. I have 4000 miles on the clutch so far and its gotten even easier to drive and still no noise. As far as how long the clutch will last, that is still to be determined.



UPDATE- Pump gas tune for the 20g is being buttoned up currently. Should have some E-85 feedback in the next few days!
Tuned on 24psi making 430/417 by Corbin Johnson. Clutch is holding up great so far!
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Old 03-20-2014, 12:39 PM   #2
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I'm contemplating a south bend clutch as well. Please keep us posted.
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Old 03-30-2014, 04:05 PM   #3
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I have the daily on my 5mt and it's great. The break in was a bit finicky but after 1000 miles the engagement point settled and feels better then stock
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I have the daily on my 5mt and it's great. The break in was a bit finicky but after 1000 miles the engagement point settled and feels better then stock
Also holding my 20g just fine
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Old 03-30-2014, 05:08 PM   #5
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I keep seeing the reviews of this clutch, making my decision easier and easier. Looks solid. Thanks for all reviews guys and keep em coming
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Old 03-31-2014, 01:32 PM   #6
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I just installed one of these on Saturday. I've only got about 50 miles, but I'm in LOVE with it. It replaced an burned out 100k mile ACT XTSS which made the pedal feel like a ton of bricks. This clutch is like driving a stock car again. As OP stated, it's very grabby out of the box but I can already tell it's starting to break itself in.

I'm very impressed with the quality of materials. The clutch disc is stamped Exedy and the throw-out bearing is NTN. Both are respected brands.
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Old 04-01-2014, 01:00 AM   #7
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Not to worry, It was strange at first but it will break in and settle.
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Any updates with 20g+E85? Did the clutch hold that power fine?
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Also holding my 20g just fine
What kind of power and torque you putting down with the 20g?

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bump for an update... how much power did you make and how is the clutch working out for you?

Or any other 6 speed cars running the Stage 2 Daily who can list power numbers, driving style, and a review of this clutch?

Up in the air between the Stage 2 Daily and Stage 2 Endurance. Would prefer the daily--if it will hold 400-425 ft lbs at the wheels (est. power on a built motor / Dom 1.5XTR / E85 setup)
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The OP said that the 6 speed SB DD he got is rated for 495 tq at the crank, so it should handle 400-425 at the wheels.

I just got the 5 speed SB DD and it is rated much lower at 315 (at the crank). SB also recommends you use the OEM flywheel for the 5 speed, but I don't know if they say the same for the 6 speed kit. I imagine it will shudder with a LWFW.
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bump for an update... how much power did you make and how is the clutch working out for you?

Or any other 6 speed cars running the Stage 2 Daily who can list power numbers, driving style, and a review of this clutch?

Up in the air between the Stage 2 Daily and Stage 2 Endurance. Would prefer the daily--if it will hold 400-425 ft lbs at the wheels (est. power on a built motor / Dom 1.5XTR / E85 setup)
My driving style is very laid back. No issues. Still only on pump gas will get E85 this spring. Shouldn't have and issues holding a 1.5xtr. The 20g is in that range and the vendors I spoke with said it was the perfect clutch for what my power goals were and driving style.
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Anyone else with experience on the stage 2 daily, I'm stuck between the stage 3 and stage 2. I don't know exactly how much power I'm making but I'm on a TP stage 3 tune.
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I dig it. I'm going to be pushing it to its limit, but so far its nice.
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How much whp are you pushing, has it been slipping any?


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I dig it. I'm going to be pushing it to its limit, but so far its nice.
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Yup, I'm interested in power numbers that people are making on the 6 speed model of this clutch, if anyone has been pushing this clutch close to its limit.
On paper its rated for 495 ft. lbs. at the crank which is 396 ft. lbs. at the wheels. In reality though, I wonder if it can hang with a bit more power potentially, or even how it will hold up around that power level. Always nice to get some real world feedback.

I'm going to be running a Dom 1.5XTR on E85, probably going to be right in this neighborhood power wise and would prefer to run the Stage 2 Daily over the Stage 2 Endurance if I think it will hold up, which is why I'm interested in this feedback.

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I really like the 5 speed Stage 2 DD. The pedal feel is just like OEM, which is great for my mostly congested commute. It has a nice grab that isn't to harsh on the shifts.

However, I am putting 320 to the wheels and it is only rated at 315 at the crank. So... I am a bit over the recommended amount, but I only commute with it now and if I ever get back to rallycross and/or HPDE it will likely wear pretty quick.

I also got the OEM flywheel this time around. The LWFW was nice (awesome for the track), but I got tired of the CEL's, shudders, and heavy pedal (in traffic) from the Act HDSS clutch.
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Nice, thanks for you rfeedback flimflamman... I assume you're able to stomp on the pedal when the mood strikes and it will hold for you?
I had assumed that most clutches are rated pretty conservatively but only real world feedback will tell that story.
My stock 6 speed clutch was fine for 50k miles at 350-370 ft lbs of torque at the wheels (and didn't ever slip, I just pulled it out for a motor build), so I'm not asking for much more than that out of an aftermarket unit here!
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Oh yeah it holds throughout. Only time will tell how well it holds up, but I'm not to worried about it since it is fairly close to their recommended power specs.
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Look at it this way. I had a vf series on my car with a stock exedy clutch and it held that power with no issue for years. That was on my 5 speed too, which holds less tq than the sti clutch can.

Guys use the stock clutch for 20g e85 set ups and can turn the power up quite a bit before they start to slip. I think the stage 2 daily will easily hold the 1.5xtr and probably wouldn't see issues until over 500wtq.

Remember seeing a member on here who had the 1.5xtr and he had the stock clutch and it didn't slip until 26psi. If I remember correctly. If I find the thread I will post the link.
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Anyone else with experience on the stage 2 daily, I'm stuck between the stage 3 and stage 2. I don't know exactly how much power I'm making but I'm on a TP stage 3 tune.
I'm actually on a Stage 3 Endurance because the Stage 2 clutches wouldn't hold my torque. The Stage 2 daily that I tried was almost stock-like in how light the clutch was. The Stage 3 is maybe around 25% stiffer, but not bad at all. I replaced an Exedy Stage 1 HD clutch, and the Stage 3 Southbend is so much better. It's lighter, it's smoother, and there's almost no chatter.
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I am currently running this clutch in my hybrid/6MT equipped bugeye. Based on my power goals, which this summer will be a Dom 1.5XTR cranked up to 25-26 psi (currently detuned to 21 psi due to injectors), AndrewTech recommended this clutch. I'll be happy to update how it's doing after I get retuned with the new injectors. So far, I love this clutch. No chatter, smooth, and great feel to it.

This is actually my second South Bend clutch. I ran a Stage 2 Daily 5MT clutch when I had my RA gearbox and I loved that clutch too. Only upgraded for more holding power, and the old clutch is now in another car working well. I'm a fan of South Bend.
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Is their anyone here on that has the stage 2 daily on a wrx thats making around 330whp?
I know on venders site it says 315 but I read that a lot of people said their clutches are underrated.
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They rate them by torque (at the crank), not whp. I could have sworn their stage 2 DD was rated at 350 a couple years ago when I was considering getting one. Maybe they dialed it back for warranty purposes... I dunno, that's just pure speculation.

I'm putting down at least 320 wtq (which is what... 350 at the crank?), and it is holding up fine. But if it starts slipping or wears early I doubt they will honor the warranty, which I would understand.
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