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Old 08-23-2018, 10:10 AM   #26
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Old 08-23-2018, 10:28 AM   #27
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What I'm saying is that the hybrid powertrain will be fine for all their other cars, but if they want to sell STIs and WRXs at all, they're going to have to keep them manual.

They're not going to introduce a hybrid powertrain with CVT when BRZs with the automatic and WRXs with CVT constitute a very small percentage of current sales of those cars. The people who buy them overwhelmingly want the manual, not a CVT automatic (or regular 6 spd automatic).

If you can't sell cars, that's worse than not being able to meet onerous regulations. People aren't going to be interested in the WRX if there's not a stick shift in it, and doubly so for the STI. There's lots of other options for automatic $30k-$40k sports cars out there that are mostly automatic already. There's very few good powerful sports cars that are affordable and still have a manual transmission.
Look, they already officially told the 2020sti and wrx will still be available with a manual gear box.
There will be a big difference between some STI's and WRX's. USA versions will be non hybrid or mild hybrid...( possible with manual box...).
Other morde difficult markets will be full hybrid.
There are already mild hybrid systems ( I believe I saw one from Hitashi) where the ISG is directly on the crankshaft and can push over 50NM.

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Old 08-23-2018, 03:21 PM   #28
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No mule... No drool...
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Old 08-24-2018, 08:33 AM   #29
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Click bait....... dang it....

We need facts, not alternative news. Also, no manual, no care. And still waiting on Subaru to deliver that M3 look and feel for the interior promised years ago.
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Old 08-24-2018, 08:49 AM   #30
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Manuals are dead, ICE is dead.

Current and upcoming M3/4s are watered-down shadows of BMWs golden age M-cars and border-line econobox in terms of looks and fit/finish.

Funny how all considered as 'luxury' german/european brands on this side of the pond - typically serve as taxi ride-sharing or corp fleet mules in their native markets.

The next-gen WRX/STIs will be a huge letdown especially for those hoping for anything beyond econobox with a bit of pep.
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Old 08-24-2018, 09:03 AM   #31
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Current and upcoming M3/4s are watered-down shadows of BMWs golden age M-cars and border-line econobox in terms of looks and fit/finish.
And yet still light years ahead of 100% of Subaru interiors.
I have yet to see a Subaru, even new Subaru, come close to my 2010 135ís interior quality, fit, finish and thatís a freaking 1 series.
Donít even get me started on the seats.
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Old 08-24-2018, 10:14 AM   #32
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ICE is dead
Manual is dead
DCT is dead

I wouldn't be surprised if the next generation STI is an auto only hybrid. Part of the reason they kept the EJ for so long. My speculation is that the next generation powertrain will be completely different, not a beefed up FA24DIT. This goes for similar cars as well. RS is dead. I think the next gen Golf R will be auto only with an electric turbo.
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Old 08-24-2018, 10:19 AM   #33
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ICE is dead
Manual is dead
DCT is dead

I wouldn't be surprised if the next generation STI is an auto only hybrid. Part of the reason they kept the EJ for so long. My speculation is that the next generation powertrain will be completely different, not a beefed up FA24DIT. This goes for similar cars as well. RS is dead. I think the next gen Golf R will be auto only with an electric turbo.
To clarify, itís dead for Subaru.
Go to a Bimmer dealer and drive off in an M2 with ICE, DCT or Manual. Itís dead for Subaru.
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Old 08-24-2018, 10:23 AM   #34
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To clarify, itís dead for Subaru.
Go to a Bimmer dealer and drive off in an M2 with ICE, DCT or Manual. Itís dead for Subaru.
I am talking about the next gen cars...DCT/Manual transmissions are likely dead for the next gen M cars:

https://www.motortrend.com/news/bmw-...transmissions/
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Old 08-24-2018, 10:43 AM   #35
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Yup agree 100% with Straight6.

An M2 with ICE, DCT or Manual is boring old tech and screams '2010s'.

Meanwhile Subaru has stopped innovating. They are all about mass produced non-quirky or fall-less-quirky appliances. Guess that's what sells - so more power to them.

They don't care if they alienate the old fan base if they can replace it with 10x as many creature-comfort and gadget-filled econobox appliance seekers. Win win.
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Old 08-24-2018, 11:14 AM   #36
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To clarify, itís dead for Subaru.
Go to a Bimmer dealer and drive off in an M2 with ICE, DCT or Manual. Itís dead for Subaru.
For attainable stuff, itís gonna be Mustang/Camaro only. Crazy days.
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Old 08-24-2018, 11:37 AM   #37
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I’m gonna wait and see what Subaru decides to do with the SGP Legacy before crying about the next STI.
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Old 08-24-2018, 12:25 PM   #38
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The SGP BO/BT Legacy/Outback will be just as meh as the Ascent and new Forester.

de-tuned and factory crippled FA24DIT or not, with limited aftermarket support (small demand, dwindling supply).
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Old 08-24-2018, 01:10 PM   #39
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Meh as in 600-800 lb less curb weight? The FXT is definitely meh because it’s dead.
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Old 08-24-2018, 01:16 PM   #40
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Where is everyone getting the doom and gloom manuals are dead for the next gen WRX/STI? It's already been confirmed and reported in a couple articles that at least for the next gen WRX and STI they will hang on to the manual transmission.

“No, we’ll still have manual transmissions in our performance line like for the WRX, but just not in the Forester,” Subaru North America CEO Tom Doll told Drive during the 2018 New York Auto show."
https://www.motor1.com/news/238387/s...xt-generation/

Sure the auto industry as a whole (at least for what they sell in the U.S.) is moving away from manuals and Subaru has done so for the Forester but that's because they hardly sold any in manuals.
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Old 08-24-2018, 08:14 PM   #41
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This generation may likely be the last of the purist STIs from Subaru. Itís one of the main reasons I bought a 2019 now rather than waiting to see what the next gen will be.
When I go to leave work and I start up my car in the parking garage, and step out, I can feel the whole building rumbling and thatís really the selling point for me right there.
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Old 08-24-2018, 09:18 PM   #42
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This generation may likely be the last of the purist STIs from Subaru. It’s one of the main reasons I bought a 2019 now rather than waiting to see what the next gen will be.
When I go to leave work and I start up my car in the parking garage, and step out, I can feel the whole building rumbling and that’s really the selling point for me right there.
Ooooooofffffhhhhh. That screams testosterone right there. And here I’ve been taking OTC pills to boost mine, not, when all I needed was the boxer rumble of my dearly departed and gravely missed 2005 STi.

Back on topic. Yeah, how about a manual trans and a non econo box of an interior. I am even willing to pay more for it. . Ohh ohh and give me a sunrooof option without having to add a fancy package.
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Old 08-24-2018, 09:55 PM   #43
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A DCT in the STI, heck the WRX would be amazing balls

I traded in my 2016 WRX for a 2017 GTI with the DCT. Immediately did the stage 1 tune.

I absolutely love the DCT, having to drive in stop and go traffic it was no brainer. The jerkiness to me really is a non issue, the shifts are so incredibly ridiculous. And after owning a CVT WRX I can really say how much of a pile of crap the CVT really is and has no place whatsoever in a performance vehicle.

And the GTI? It has been an awesome daily driver, BUT its greatest downfall... FRONT WHEEL DRIVE. I suppose I could buy a Golf R, but it really isn't worth the price.

Now that I don't have to commute in stop and go traffic anymore! I can live with a manual... gimme dat AWD, gimme dat 2020 WRX or even STI if they get their crap together and give us a new engine.

Just let the CVT die, it is a steaming pile of rubber band crap.
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Old 08-25-2018, 02:10 AM   #44
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And yet still light years ahead of 100% of Subaru interiors.
I have yet to see a Subaru, even new Subaru, come close to my 2010 135ís interior quality, fit, finish and thatís a freaking 1 series.
Donít even get me started on the seats.
The 1 series interior is ****. Put your glasses on. It is not even as good as the 2018 STI.
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Old 08-25-2018, 05:31 AM   #45
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The 1 series interior is ****. Put your glasses on. It is not even as good as the 2018 STI.
Clueless. If by shiny plasti-fest and subpar materials, youíre right, STI is better.
Have you owned a 1 series or are you talking out your ass?
Do you have any real knowledge about quality of materials? Or are you just turned on by flashy plastics? Do some real research, or actually own the vehicles before spouting bad info.
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Old 08-25-2018, 05:35 AM   #46
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This generation may likely be the last of the purist STIs from Subaru. Itís one of the main reasons I bought a 2019 now rather than waiting to see what the next gen will be.
When I go to leave work and I start up my car in the parking garage, and step out, I can feel the whole building rumbling and thatís really the selling point for me right there.
We already know the hydraulic steering will go away with the EJ. The EJ itself, boxer rumble and can go and not be missed. The hydraulic steering will be missed.
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Old 08-25-2018, 09:57 AM   #47
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Do some real research, or actually own the vehicles before spouting bad info.
Did you forget where you are? None of what you mentioned is a prerequisite for posting here, bud
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Old 08-25-2018, 10:02 AM   #48
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We already know the hydraulic steering will go away with the EJ. The EJ itself, boxer rumble and can go and not be missed. The hydraulic steering will be missed.
We'll see. For the daily newb driver like me, I doubt I'd notice or care. Discounting everything that makes a Forester XT NOT an STI (the list is admittedly long), I came away from the test drive back in 2013 very surprised by a few things that I wasn't expecting. The steering feel not sucking was one of them.

This was coming from an '08 STI, the KING of all sports cars!

The CVT working so well with the FA20DIT was the determinant, however. I expected rubber band. I got pushed back in my seat from a stop...in a CUV; more so than the equivalent Escape, which is the only other similar CUV I had for an extended period of time (we rented one for a week or two).
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Old 08-25-2018, 10:24 AM   #49
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the wrx and STI deserve better than the cvt. I understand subaru is concerned with fuel efficiency, but that is not what owners but the wrx or STI for. we buy them for the fully engaged feeling with the car. the did the first part right at keeping the manual, we have to see what happens with the new engines, the cvt does not allow the owners to fully enjoy the world of aftermarket due to the limitations it has. both deserve a DCT or 6 speed regular automatic transmission. the cvt is holding the performance back.
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Old 08-26-2018, 02:01 PM   #50
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.... the cvt is holding the performance back.

Because of the aftermarket that's not a priority for Subaru?


I'm not saying the CVT is the best thing out there. Heck, I'm not even saying it can't be improved. It certainly can. The example I use is ECVT to LCVT to 2nd gen, to HTCVT to whatever we want to call the Ascents CVT. It's just getting better and better. Handling more power around each turn. Eventually, the CVT will be faster than the MT. Then it comes down to "you should be manually shifting in a car like that" or "I don't like the feel of the CVT/Auto". Both of which are subjective.
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