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Old 08-22-2019, 05:23 PM   #176
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Very good Sid, thanks for that. Loves me some good satire!
😂 that is awesome. Well done.
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Old 08-22-2019, 05:24 PM   #177
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I saw swear words and couldn't continue.
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Old 08-23-2019, 01:58 PM   #178
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Audi's newly announced 2020/2021 RS6 Avant brings me hope for Subaru and it's performance hatch/wagon line.
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Old 08-23-2019, 04:05 PM   #179
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I hope they do better than that with the styling.

I've never appreciated Audi's or BMW's looks. Subaru's have always looked better to me. Work as good? Probably not. But when considering costs AND looks... Subaru.
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Old 08-23-2019, 04:39 PM   #180
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I hope they do better than that with the styling.

I've never appreciated Audi's or BMW's looks. Subaru's have always looked better to me. Work as good? Probably not. But when considering costs AND looks... Subaru.
Funny, I'm the complete opposite. I've been a diehard Subaru'er for 3/4 my life. A few years back, we added an A3 to our garage and I've been hooked ever since. That 5 cylinder RS3 has been on my radar for a year now. Waiting to see what Subaru hands us.
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Old 08-23-2019, 04:44 PM   #181
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That AUDI is stunning too bad its like $110k. I mean I love Subaru as well but to say anything Subaru has made can hold a candle to that RS6 wagon is simply nuts. That RS is in a completely different league than anything Subaru has to offer. I get it this is a Subaru site but time to be honest race fans.
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Old 08-23-2019, 05:08 PM   #182
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Lotta reading comprehension fail hereabouts.
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Old 08-23-2019, 07:27 PM   #183
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That AUDI is stunning too bad its like $110k. I mean I love Subaru as well but to say anything Subaru has made can hold a candle to that RS6 wagon is simply nuts. That RS is in a completely different league than anything Subaru has to offer. I get it this is a Subaru site but time to be honest race fans.
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Old 08-23-2019, 10:23 PM   #184
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The Hammer of GALBEROS has fallen. Did he stutter?
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Old 08-26-2019, 07:56 AM   #185
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https://bestcarweb.jp/news/scoop/87373
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Old 08-26-2019, 10:18 AM   #186
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we need someone to make a CG using current impreza panels and change the concept LEDs to current LEDs. I hope they show an interior for this pre-production concept so we have an idea of the layout. that concept is very close to production ready.
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Old 08-26-2019, 10:21 AM   #187
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So if true, 5 hp change only?
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Old 08-26-2019, 01:28 PM   #188
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So if true, 5 hp change only?
I wonder how reputable this source is? That would be quite disappointing to see the STI go with the FA20 (instead of the FA24) and only get a bump to 315hp. Either way it'll have a better powerband than the EJ257.

I also wonder if that means the US WRX engine would be downsized to the 266hp 1.8L..
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Old 08-26-2019, 01:53 PM   #189
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I wonder how reputable this source is? That would be quite disappointing to see the STI go with the FA20 (instead of the FA24) and only get a bump to 315hp. Either way it'll have a better powerband than the EJ257.

I also wonder if that means the US WRX engine would be downsized to the 266hp 1.8L..
those engines are for the JDM cars. it is possible the USDM will get the same FA20 dit in the wrx, but with more power and an upgraded FA24 dit for the STI. we must wait for concrete specs for the US market first. how far away is the first spyshot. I would not mind that new 1.8 turbo in the new forester though
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those engines are for the JDM cars. it is possible the USDM will get the same FA20 dit in the wrx, but with more power and an upgraded FA24 dit for the STI. we must wait for concrete specs for the US market first. how far away is the first spyshot. I would not mind that new 1.8 turbo in the new forester though
Maybe the engine line up for the JDM, but there's no way they are going to give the US version more hp than JDM. So if that article is right, which is a big if, then 315hp.
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Old 08-26-2019, 04:20 PM   #191
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Maybe the engine line up for the JDM, but there's no way they are going to give the US version more hp than JDM. So if that article is right, which is a big if, then 315hp.
well they're not try to step on the toes of the big boys, so between 315hp and 330hp sounds plausible while trying to keep the price respectable. those who want to coax more power out of the engine can always go aftermarket. prime motoring is experimenting the possibilities with the FA24 dit in a crosstrek build. so far up to 500hp.
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Old 08-26-2019, 04:22 PM   #192
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I wonder how reputable this source is? That would be quite disappointing to see the STI go with the FA20 (instead of the FA24) and only get a bump to 315hp. Either way it'll have a better powerband than the EJ257.

I also wonder if that means the US WRX engine would be downsized to the 266hp 1.8L..
better powerband? maybe if you never go over 3,500 rpm. fa20dit runs out of breath at 4,500 rpm.
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Old 08-26-2019, 04:57 PM   #193
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better powerband? maybe if you never go over 3,500 rpm. fa20dit runs out of breath at 4,500 rpm.
Sorry, I should have clarified. Given a comparable peak power figure, I would expect the the FA20 to have a better powerband (more area under the curve).

The WRX's version of the FA20 certainly falls on its face after 4,500 RPM, especially on the stock tune (it sucks). However, if the STI version makes 315 hp (vs the WRX's 268 hp) then it will likely have some combination of a larger turbo, higher flowing heads/intake manifold, different cams, and a better tune. There's no inherent design limitation to the FA20 engine that will prevent it from carrying power higher into RPM range. Just look at the powerband on the BRZ's FA20.

Mechanically stock FA20s are capable of making 320whp with just flex fuel & a tune. They can still carry power to 6k+ rpm even with their tiny turbo. There's no denying modern engineering (ie the advantage of direct injection & higher compression ratios, twin scroll ball bearing turbos with ELH, etc.). All it'll take is for Subaru to build a proper STI version of the FA engine.. whether that happens or not is another story.

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I previously owned a lightly modified '16 WRX with a flex fuel tune. I now have a '19 STI. The '19 STI is better in every way except for the engine. IMO, it would be the perfect car if it had an STI version of the FA20 with a slightly larger turbo. With a simple flex fuel tune, you get 320+ whp, loads of torque down low, and better fuel economy than the EJ257 (running pump gas). The only downside for some is that you lose the 'rumble' from the unequal length header. And there's always carbon build-up of course.. unless Subaru shocks us with dual injection on the next model.

The EJ207 is a different story

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Old 08-26-2019, 05:33 PM   #194
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It is the tune. Mine pulls very strong all the way up to 6,500 even on basic 93 tune. E30 is a beast till redline. It is a gem of an engine with some tuning. I still think the STi will get the FA24 version here but both are fantastic.
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Old 08-26-2019, 05:40 PM   #195
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Maybe the engine line up for the JDM, but there's no way they are going to give the US version more hp than JDM. So if that article is right, which is a big if, then 315hp.
Why not? They did in 2004. And for the S209.
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Why not? They did in 2004. And for the S209.
True. But we didn't get the limited edition STI TC 380 with 380 hp. Yeah, it was limited to only 50 units in Japan.. and it was 'modified' by Arai Motorsport with an HKS turbo like STI is doing with the S209.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/24680/...wrx-sti-tc-380
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those engines are for the JDM cars. it is possible the USDM will get the same FA20 dit in the wrx, but with more power and an upgraded FA24 dit for the STI. we must wait for concrete specs for the US market first. how far away is the first spyshot. I would not mind that new 1.8 turbo in the new forester though
Correct.
Europe would not mind the 1.5 and 1.8 either.
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Old 08-26-2019, 07:07 PM   #198
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That article says STI will still be 6MT only, and will also have Eyesight.

I wonder what all of those "eyesight is incompatible with 6MT" folks would say about that?


I'm in for more details on the next Levorg, only to be disappointed that either it won't come here, or if it does, it'll be CVT only.
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Old 08-26-2019, 07:12 PM   #199
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those engines are for the JDM cars. it is possible the USDM will get the same FA20 dit in the wrx, but with more power and an upgraded FA24 dit for the STI.
True, it's possible that the FA24DIT will be reserved for select markets like the EJ257. Do any JDM models currently get the FA24?
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It is the tune. Mine pulls very strong all the way up to 6,500 even on basic 93 tune. E30 is a beast till redline. It is a gem of an engine with some tuning. I still think the STi will get the FA24 version here but both are fantastic.
i had the maperformance stage 1 93 tune on mine. it was certainly better than stock, but still dropped off pretty hard past 4,500 rpm. my biggest gripe is the stupid tmic. it just got heat soaked so bad at low speed. id literally have to floor it to get the car moving from a stop when it was warm out. put a fmic on it and it would be a night and day improvement.
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