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Old 12-07-2005, 09:17 PM   #1
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Unhappy I need help! Plugs out, but can't fix flashing CEL P0303

So I got all the plugs out...sorta. Half of one of them broke off and is still in there. Here is a pic of what came out.



If you can picture a regular plug compared to that - the rest of it, threads and all is in there.How can I get it out? Or can I?

CRAPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is a crosspost, sorry, but I need as much input as possible.
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Old 12-07-2005, 09:18 PM   #2
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Ouch...doesn't look like any fun....would an "easy out" work?
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Old 12-07-2005, 09:19 PM   #3
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I have NO idea how your gonna get that out. I wish you the best of luck tho. That really sucks. I've never even heard of this happening before.
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Old 12-07-2005, 09:27 PM   #4
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Yeah, i can't find anything on it anywhere. The thing is, it did not take much for it to come off. I did not force it or anything. I think it was way over torqued when put in. I am hesitant to use PB blaster on it. An easy off type thing might work, but finding one to fit and long enough is the problem. I am gonna call a local shop I trust in the morning and see what they suggest.

Leave it to me to do this. It's always something.
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Old 12-07-2005, 09:34 PM   #5
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You could maybe try somthing like this http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item....re&dir=catalog and some lube may not hurt to try and losen the threads, just wait a little while after spraying it otherwise the inner part (where the plug is supposed to be) may be to slick to do anything.
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Old 12-07-2005, 10:05 PM   #6
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Did you put the one that broke in? if you did, did you put some anti-seize on the threads? If not, that may be the cause.
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Old 12-07-2005, 10:08 PM   #7
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Did you put the one that broke in? if you did, did you put some anti-seize on the threads? If not, that may be the cause.

No, it was done by a shop while it was owned by someone else.

I am gonna try to find something like MDRex posted above tomorrow at Sears. I am going to bed or I'll be up all night trying to get it.
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Old 12-08-2005, 08:13 AM   #8
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Try the old redneck potato trick???

I keed I keed. This kind of stuff happens to me all the time. Let us know how you get it out.
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Old 12-08-2005, 10:01 AM   #9
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Thanks for the comments and advice everyone. I got my wife to drop me off at work today and am going to go by Sears when she picks me up tonight to see what I can find to get this thing out. I am making a few phone calls to a local shop and a dedicated Subaru place in Charles Town in the next few minutes to see what they have to say.
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Old 12-08-2005, 10:13 AM   #10
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not to self: never buy ngk



what kind of plugs were these?

i fear you might have to lift the engine a bit to pull the threads out propperly without getting anything within the cylinders
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Old 12-08-2005, 10:24 AM   #11
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NGK BKR6E11

My local shop is saying they'd probably pull the head to remove it just to be safe. But it may be easier when they see it.

*emo sigh*
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Old 12-08-2005, 10:48 AM   #12
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yea even if you get it out, if theres any fragment or particle that falls in whilst removed, that could cause a bit more damage.


definately call ngk out about it...

even without anti-sieze it shouldnt seperate from the plug, thats just odd.

unless it was a fluke....


best of luck, let us know how it goes
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Old 12-08-2005, 11:00 AM   #13
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I'd definately pull the head, it's better than coming up with some half-assed tool (or drilling it) and having something fall into the cylinder.
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Old 12-08-2005, 11:01 AM   #14
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I'd definately pull the head, it's better than coming up with some half-assed tool (or drilling it) and having something fall into the cylinder.
I agree. I'd be super paranoid forever about it if it was done any other way.
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Old 12-08-2005, 11:40 AM   #15
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The good news is with a SOHC EJ25 you can pull the head with only normal wrenches and such.

Order a new HG first, and post if you have any questions about the process. Should be something you can do in a few hours.
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Old 12-08-2005, 11:46 AM   #16
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The good news is with a SOHC EJ25 you can pull the head with only normal wrenches and such.

Order a new HG first, and post if you have any questions about the process. Should be something you can do in a few hours.

I'll need a new one if the head is pulled to get at the plug? The HG was done about a year ago and then redone when the head was remachined in October just before I bought the car.
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Old 12-08-2005, 11:48 AM   #17
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I'll need a new one if the head is pulled to get at the plug? The HG was done about a year ago and then redone when the head was remachined in October just before I bought the car.
NEED? Maybe not. SHOULD PUT IN? Yeah.

The HG gets compressed when you install it, removing it and reinstalling might work... but I wouldn't risk it. Especially since you can get a new one for about $20 or so.
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Old 12-08-2005, 11:57 AM   #18
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See? If I don't manage to destroy my own car attempting something, it happens vicariously through me.... sort of.



Gray and I were talking yesterday about changing plugs... I told him, "take your time, it's not bad at all." This coming from a mechanical chimpanzee (me).

Brownie points for a really weird story though, dude.

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Old 12-08-2005, 12:20 PM   #19
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What about using an EZ out or some kind of screw extractor? I'd try that before removing the head... If it doesn't work then you can take the head off anyways...
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That's what Steve and I were discussing. I figured Sears may have something, or if he called NGK direct there's *got* to be a tool out there....
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Old 12-08-2005, 12:26 PM   #21
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See? If I don't manage to destroy my own car attempting something, it happens vicariously through me.... sort of.



Gray and I were talking yesterday about changing plugs... I told him, "take your time, it's not bad at all." This coming from a mechanical chimpanzee (me).

Brownie points for a really weird story though, dude.

-Chris

Yep Chris, first attempt at plugs in a Subaru and wouldn't you know this would happen.

Mechman, yeah, I am going to try that tonight if I can find one that'll work at Sears this afternoon. Just gotta be extra careful not to do to much and create shavings. I am going to try to put a magnetic pickup tool down in there while I am doing it.

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Old 12-08-2005, 12:30 PM   #22
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Ooof, shavings, crap I didn't even think of that. Yeah, magnet's a good idea.
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Old 12-08-2005, 01:26 PM   #23
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Old 12-08-2005, 01:29 PM   #24
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I'm sure I'll get flamed for this... but I wouldn't worry too much about shavings.

Yes, once you get it loose and start unscrewing it, I'd put the magnet down there to pick up any strays... but on the whole I'd expect any tiny little bits that DO make it into the cylinder to be expelled with the exhaust gasses in the first few strokes.
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Old 12-08-2005, 01:42 PM   #25
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I agree with rogue, I don't think there should be much in the way of shavings and they would probably be very small and come out when you start the car. I don't think they would be big enough to damage the engine and you don't have a turbo to worry about either.

You could also try using a vacume with a small hose to get in there to get the shavings.
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